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Banned from .world comm shortly after banning .world mod

I don't expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I'm just being conspiratorial, but here goes:

I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)

one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video: ::: spoiler spoiler

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the reason I put down was 'trolling about neopronouns' I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.

Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for 'trolling'. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.

The .world thread in question (link)

I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:

The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you're welcome to disagree with.

I don't view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they're on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I'm not trolling.

People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.

I don't have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.

Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.

update

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  • I was the one that submitted the ban, after a number of reports. On the face of it (I am at work, so don't always have time to deep dive), The reports did seem to align with trolling.

    I had/have no idea what's going on withe the Jordan Lund thing.

    • For what it's worth I thought I was being respectful in my dissent, I was even keeping my comments to the one thread and not attempting to insult anyone. I'm entirely open to this just being coincidence.

  • I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.

    • Everybody is the good guy in their own story.

      • I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.

        My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.

        So either:

        A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.

        While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.

        So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.

    • I rarely see trolling here tbh maybe dragon fucker but he is so committed to it, whatever

    • Exactly! And it seems to me the point of being a "troll" is knowing you are trolling. Doing it on purpose. But if you don't think you're a troll, then you aren't actually trolling.

      Lemmy has a hard time understanding that, so on .world "troll" means "you have disagreed with me and now I'm gonna follow you around and downvote whatever you say and ask for you to be banned."

  • I'm confused I guess. You banned a lw mod, then got banned on a lw news instance, and you think it's more than coincidence?

    I guess it'd be hard to prove, but imo (which isn't worth anything) I doubt that's the case.

    • It turns out it was a coincidence, they even reverted the ban on me in the end too.

      The two bans still strike me as a good example of archetypes of heavy-moderation action taken in different context. Shutting down a dissenting voice on a general/news board vs shutting down someone behaving badly in a more regulated space. I don't even want to give the .world moderator who banned me a hard time, because I know how hard it can be trying to figure out what is going on in a conversation that just got reported by a bunch of people. The fact that they reverted it after pushback was enough for me, and hopefully it sets an example for the future.

      There's definitely a separate discussion to be had about the tendency to shut down dissent from the left in centrist/liberal spaces and characterizing it instead as 'right-wing/russian trolling.' Maybe that's more comforting than sitting with the criticism, but I don't think it's a productive way to approach political conversations.

  • If we're assuming it was a retaliation ban- The powers that be at lemmy.world would be wise to nip this type of thing in the bud now and replace those actively working to deceive and lash out at others from their team.

    Eventually people will stop giving the owners/admins the benefit of the doubt when controversial things like this happen. What happens then? The time/money/resources are being thrown away to enable a few people's egos and eventually the users will tire of it and abandon ship. It seems like we're drawing closer to that every day.

    One way or another the true colors will always come out. Interesting times ahead.

  • For anyone wanting help finding the original entry in the modlog - bc it is currently not in either lemmy.ml or lemmy.world - here it is in lemmy.blahaj.zone. I haven't delved into the rest but wanted to say damn it's annoying when moderation activities don't federate:-(.

    • Thanks for that, I agree it is really annoying having moderation doesn't federate, or is obfuscated.

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