it's true, lemmy.ml is a sham...

Man, your post has really brought out the CCP shills. It's fascinating to watch people go, "Nuh-uh! China doesn't do any of that!"
- I learned a dozen countries are all in on a conspiracy theory in which they pretended China had operated overseas police stations in their respective countries. Fake news!
- yeah, seems like they’re really hoping to convert some lemmy users

What is "Rule 1"? Is it "Thou shall not have a different opinion."?
- thou shalt not say things that are censored in china….
  
  Funnily enough it seems like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml are also censored in China via their great firewall.
- Officially, it's "bigotry", unofficially it's a catch-all so that when someone brings it up their more prominent users can make declarations like this:
  "routinely the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/ censored for being bigoted"
- No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
  
  So they're saying communism is a disability... Makes sense!
- Only in actual fact, though ashamedly never written down anywhere irl in a manner that is so clear and understandable.

These threads are great because they are nice tankie block attractors. They can't help themselves from commenting on their non tank-3 accounts.
- It's hilarious. I have them all tagged and the same usual suspects always show up like clockwork.
  
  If I see cowbee in the comments here I'm gonna chuckle.
  
  Lol is there a list somewhere? Id love to just blanket ban all the morons

I got banned there last week for saying that lemmy mods are just as pathetic and banhappy as reddit mods
- Was this before or after Anakin was on the council?
- in my experience, they’re a lot worse….
  stuff that would get a comment removed or a note from the mod to chill just gets you an instant permaban here…
  and they’ll ban you for the dumbest shit too… simply discussing china’s human rights abuses that are well documented and publicized is “racism against chinese people” or some dumb shit….
  luckily it’s just the hard hard leftists… the places that are all shills anyway (like he-x-b34r)
  (i just spelled that dumb so it’s harder to search).
  
  I've noticed mods of some instances will lurk and ban users for comments that weren't even on their instance.
  Some of the mods on blahaj do that while using fake user accounts to sow approval.
  It's insane what patheticly small amount of power internet janitors will manage to trip on

What's rule 1 on .ml? Everyone is getting banned for it.
- Ableism is forbidden, so you get banned if you make fun of communists.
  
  So they are accepting that they have a mental illness right?
- Rule 1 on .ml is "no racism." In this post, it appears to be "racist" against Chinese. At least from some kind of a point of view.
  
  They also use "racism" as an excuse if you say Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine.
  @Davel@lemmy.ml , lemmy.ml mod who larps an American but is a Russian fucking hates it
  
  No, it is against China, not Chinese people.
  "Chinese" is a heavily loaded term, containing nationality, ethnicity, culture and language. In this case it is criticising China the nation, not Chinese people in any sense.
  It is racist to link China the nation to Chinese people, because many people who are ethnically Chinese do not associate with China.
  I know I am about to be downvoted heavily by tankies but just remember that .ml are hypocrites.

I recently got a ban on .ml for saying that the IS banning people from flying because they called in a bomb threat on an plane is not the same as China banning you from flying because you critisised the government.
- Yeah that's true, because the the first one actually happens.
  
  +10 social credit

Just block those instances. My weirdest and most disgusting experiences ever on Lemmy were on instances like that one.

Those who dissent, must get bent.

Lol, I got a similar removal and ban (rule 1, 2*) the other day for replying to someone who mentioned credit ratings as a counterpoint to the attempts to discredit the existence of "social credits" (or whatever actual system exists in China, and it does exist, to keep tabs on their population):
This right here.
And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it's a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it's a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).
This post is such tankie bullshit.
Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you've been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.
*as you can see, the ban is really for calling OP "tankie bullshit" and gasp pointing out that China is bad in the same ways America is bad. Such fragile egos lmfao
- just the fact that .ml stands for marxist leninist is all you need to know….
  marxism has some good points, some very bad ones… leninism doesn’t and is hardly a thing anyways
  
  Tankies gonna tank ¯(ツ)_/¯

Does anyone know what rule 4 is? I was banned from an ml community for that very rule a couple of days ago but have not made a comment anywhere on Lemmy for 9 months.
My current guess - I upvoted/downvoted the wrong person as that's about all I do on Lemmy.
- i forgot but you didn’t actually break that rule, probably….
  something i’ve learned from talking to real life leftists is: all very left online spaces, and i mean all, have been completely fucked over by shills.
  often just completely controlled by them.
  i just got permabanned from lost generation on reddit for absolutely not breaking the rules… they cited a rule, i asked how, then they just muted me from messaging the mods with a message just listing the rules, all of which i agree with….
  it sucks but it’s been this way a very long time….
  basically just cointelpro continuing.
  my guess is you were too genuine and reasonable, so they fuck with you to make you think this is what the left is like, then hopefully you’ll give up and become a capitalist.

- To whom you say that?

It might be a bit repetitive, but I think it's important to keep the most clear examples here.

- ...what?

I don't get how suicide nets is a knock on china. They're making our phones.
It's our consumer demand and our company's price points that are responsible for the conditions in the factories that make our phones.
- So are you saying that in the glorious Chinese workers paradise they don't set and enforce decent health and safety policies and regulate working conditions and wages for the benefit of their citizens? Paint me amazed!
  
  the glorious Chinese workers paradise
  The scary thing is they genuinely believe this.
  I had responded to a tankie who claimed that China wasn't an oligarchy by sarcastically asking if they thought the workers control the government, and like 5 different (or are they?) hexbears descended on me to tell me that yes, akshually, they do (and therefore must be the most self loathing workers on the planet, if those are the conditions they inflict on themselves, and curiously keep "electing" the same authoritarian, billionaire, dictator to be at the top of their ~~classless~~, ~~moneyless~~, ~~stateless~~ society). 🤦‍♀️
  E: on a side note since I've got you here and you're an admin, I thought this instance was defederated from hex, and I have them on my personal blocked instance list, should I still be seeing their users?
- because the Chinese public isn’t supposed to know about it… plus people might demand more ethically produced phones if they were more aware.
- It's their citizens / labor laws.
  Sure an American said "we want 12h shifts 6 days a week with absolutely minimal breaks" (or whatever the specifics are) (and that's a a terrible request.)
  But the kicker is a Chinese labor official said "yup, sure thing"
- China decided to play ball with the slave economy because it makes scads of money. If they were interested in pushing fucking state communism and raising the quality of living perhaps this was the wrong move. I suppose the counterargument would be that letting the west export its manufacturing sector somewhere else would have been a missed opportunity, but perhaps (and I say this as an American) the better move ideologically would have been not to engage with manufactory colonialism for a quick buck. Now we have Foxcon. They might have aligned with communist or at least sympathetic governments around the world for the project of I dunno stonewalling western oligarchs and not participating in the capitalist economic system. Insane, radical, anti-Party thought I know, I'm sorry. Just thinking out loud here.

YDI.
The .ml policy against bigotry --including parroting western anti-chinese propaganda, that liberals throw ad nauseam there-- has been a consistent policy over time of that instance.
- By definition
  Sounds like .ml are the biggest bigots around
- seeing that you’re from lemmy.ml, stfu….
  but, it’s not propaganda, it proven facts… there are photos and leaked surveillance videos, it’s very real.
  it’s not “bigotry”, which is such a laughable claim… i love chinese people and DON’T want them to suffer… it’s the absolute opposite of bigotry
  
  I strongly disagree.
  But, by example, if l (a .ml and lemmyngrad user) go to a Ukrainian instance with a pro-western narrative to tell that they are backing and are backed by fascism, as other hundreds others had done before, I would deserve a ban.

You’re literally just spreading propaganda except for one point. Your critical thinking is a sham
- Which points are propaganda and why?
- If it hurts my feelings or invalidates my argument then it is propaganda and it must be censored!
  
  Spreading racist arguments doesn’t help either. Many of the above statements are proven CIA propaganda. Not all but many. I thought lemmy was supposed to have critical thinking? It’s sad to just attack.
- lol

YDI
Tankie is a lazy political slur so your are engaging in bad faith.
- i never said tanker, tankie
  
  There you go again

- Oh yea because I'm sure China's CCP isn't spreading propaganda or anything of their own/s

Wild to be so indoctrinated that you continue to believe the Uyghur genocide lies, even when the departments that made it up admit they made it up.
This is why it’s so easy to mislead the American public. You want the lies.
- oh well i will expect a source for this lie any minute… go ahead
  
  Every genocide except the uyghur genocide has images attributed to it
  Self exercise, find me three images of an uyghur genocide taking place, I'm not asking just to be a smart ass but because I tried it myself and I got no result
  
  Sorry, but who should prove that there is a ongoing genocide is who do that claim, requiring to prove the no existence of something is a fallacious argument.
  
  It's funny how you racists never need any sources for the original claim lmao
  
  Happy to oblige.
  https://law.stanford.edu/press/state-department-lawyers-concluded-insufficient-evidence-to-prove-genocide-in-china/
  Now where’s your source? What do you think you know that the state dept doesn’t? Why are you keeping it from them?
- https://youtu.be/kmYdpHtOv_E
  Doesn't look good.