You need a VPN for everything when it comes to pirating.
You need a VPN for everything when it comes to pirating.
Let's not turn this into what the Reddit subreddit of Piracy has turned into and that's an endless sea of questions that are all the same - "Do I need a VPN?".
And the loud and vocal answer to such a question is - yes. Yes you do need a VPN for pirating. Nobody gets a VPN for casual use and I'm under the impression that VPN services know a lot of people are going to be going to them for pirating and not just accessing content out of their country. And it's for that reason, is why I'm skeptical on entrusting my activity with the bigger VPN names available.
I use ProtonVPN myself, by the way.
Pirating under your raw IP address, only will set you up to get pegged by your ISP whether it's in a short time or a long time. I've only ever gotten one single ISP letter in my entire 26 years of pirating and it was simply because I downloaded without a VPN. Well I was also downloading off of someone else's network to take the fall, but I was confronted about it either way.
And I've gotten away with so much pirating because of my careful cautiousness when it comes to pirating. That and this applies to the United States, but the statue of limitations is 3 years when it comes to copyright infringement. So, good fucking luck to any ISP or so that wishes to try and nail me for something I downloaded 10 years ago, but I digress.
But a large part of me avoiding so much does contribute to having a VPN. So, yes, VPN is required. Please don't ask anybody in the pirating community 100 questions that are all just ways to ask whether or not you need a VPN. You do.
I've been using private trackers for the past 16 years. I've never gotten any notices from my ISP, or been involved in any legal related issues since a lot of those sites have now been raided or shut down. The only time I use a VPN is for anything public tracker related. Obviously a VPN is good practice but I haven't seen the need for it since a lot of trackers require you to sign up with your home IP address anyways.
Edit: Forgot to mention that my downloads are about a 50/50 split between downloading locally and on my seedbox.
I use a seedbox abroad and secure ssh to transfer stuff to my own server. Don't see what additional security a vpn would give me.
You don't need a VPN if you use I2P!
I think you are giving an overly simplistic answer, to the point of being misleading.
Stating that you need a VPN for pirating is blatantly false. It's perfectly possible to pirate without one. You can assume that people are asking if they should have one, but it is helpful to draw the distinction- including the why you believe they should use one. What does a VPN do, how is it helpful, what could happen if they don't, etc.
Teach people, don't just give them blind rules.
Yep. I am not a strong media consumer. For my purposes, something that I think is called scene release page with links to new episodes or movies that just came out posted on one click hoster pages, as well as streaming sites where I find ways to download the video instead of just streaming, is enough. For neither I use a VPN and probably never will.
Summation of arguments below: if you know a lot, then you know if you know if you need a VPN or not.
If you don't know if you need one, just get one.
I'm just lazy.
I can't be bothered to wonder whether or not your specific flavor of piracy is tracking me or not, and I don't really care to know.
VPN and just don't worry about it.
If I hear my provider turned to shit, I move providers. Mullvad rn.
I think this comment should be pinned honestly.
Ahh, American ey?
Whether you really need a VPN depends on where you live. When in doubt, use one
Rants about not going to a big vpn because of privacy concerns, yet brings up one of the largest vpns still that their uses. Btw a vpn is only subjective to what you are doing, torrenting or any p2p activity you will need a vpn. Direct downIoads from datanodes, 1cloudfile or streaming from a site aka broflix, primeflix you dont need a vpn. Ive gone years without getting any notice from my isp with this information. Of course the websites will change over time but the info still stands true to this day.
I am not sure there is an argument of big vs small vpns. Small vpns certainly do not have the resource to fight media companies.
They were pointing out the discrepancy between OP claiming to evade big VPNs while using a big VPN.
Do I need a VPN to read this post?
Stop stealing my content by reading it! /s
I don't use one. Never had.
Buy an ad.
Starting an AI company will also allow you to infringe copyrights on a massive scale without punishment
Copyright is whatever a corpo need to fuck the working class
My torrenting level is very casual and (sry) I only leech. Also my ISP is a small one in the UK. Our Government seems to only force the big ISP to tattle on its users and block pirating sites. At least that's how it has been for the last 10 years.
I have qbittorrent and Plex on my server. It is tempting to setup a VPN just for qbittorrent just to be sure.
I hope everything you pirate gets stuck at 99% until the day you start seeding
That's what I do. I'm in a place that really doesn't give a shit about Piracy (the worst they'll do is send a letter, one of my friends got one and called up his ISP to complain about it and they told him to stop seeding so much lol) but I still run a VPN 24/7 anyway just to be safe. It costs peanuts and doesn't slow down the internet hugely so I figure why not.
Is this a vpn sales pitch
VPNs are not required. Instead of egressing on your ISPs network, you're egressing on someone else's network. It's kinda like paying for a second ISP so you can egress your ISP to go encrypted to your other ISP. What does it accomplish other than putting you in another law jurisdiction?
Even purevpn who said "no logs" handed over data.
"In 2017, PureVPN, which advertised a no-logs policy, supplied connection logs to the FBI during a cyberstalking investigation. These logs enabled the identification of a suspect by linking activities to originating IP addresses. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureVPN
"In 2016, IPVanish, another provider asserting a no-logs policy, furnished user data to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security during a child abuse investigation. The information shared included the user's real IP address and connection timestamps. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPVanish
You pay them, and for what? To just take their word for it? Sorry but it's impossible to run a reliable network without some level of logging.
Not to mention that there have been documented instances Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), have been misused, leading to concerns about domestic surveillance.
This section allows the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) to collect communications from non-U.S. citizens located outside the United States, even when those communications are routed through U.S.-based companies, such as cloud providers, internet service providers (ISPs), and tech companies.
At that point do you think you'll get some form of compensation from the VPN provider?
To an extent, you are correct. You have to have a certain amount of trust in your VPN provider. Kape, which owns most of the big names, is not trustworthy. You absolutely shouldn't use them.
Others have been audited or otherwise had their log-free claims validated. Names like Mullvad and Proton. You are correct that logs are important for reliability, but these can be very limited in scope. If the logs are useless at an individual level, or might meet both requirements. Others might only log on certain servers, or in dev/troubleshooting scenarios. You don't necessarily need logs in all production scenarios. This is particularly true if you can still access real-time data.
But even if the VPN provider isn't trustworthy, there is something to be said about the trust being relative. AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast have all shown that they are completely untrustworthy. I would even trust Nord over any of them, and I do not trust Nord.
I work for a VPN company. There may be many shitty VPN companies that do keep logs, but not all of them.
You just need to pick the right ones, ideally audited ones.
Also, VPNs are absolutely required in some countries if you're using public torrents. Even if they're not required in your country right now, you're still advertising that you're doing illegal stuff if you don't use one.
OK some countries, ya I get it - I'm not in one of those countries so for my country, my view stands. Also you do keep some logs, else it wouldn't be possible to troubleshoot connection issues. Active VPN sessions, etc, who is connected to what IP, session duration, etc.
lol, likes porn eh?
https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/
I love these labels and torrenting porn is so noobie it's not even funny, and don't most use Bing for that?
VPNs are not required. Instead of egressing on your ISPs network, you're egressing on someone else's network. It's kinda like paying for a second ISP so you can egress your ISP to go encrypted to your other ISP. What does it accomplish other than putting you in another law jurisdiction?
I...what?
How am I paying for another person's ISP when I'm mooching off of their network to pirate from?
Okay, so the two examples you've provided about those VPN services, have nothing to do at all about piracy. One is about cyberstalking and the other was about a child abuse investigation. Those are arguably more serious than piracy in comparison.
At that point do you think you'll get some form of compensation from the VPN provider?
The fuck are you on?
I…what?
Look up how routing and VPNs and NAT work, then you may understand. VPNs existed in the business world long before consumers started becoming aware of them as "this lets me watch netflix in country X and pirate shit!" services.
Okay, so the two examples you’ve provided about those VPN services, have nothing to do at all about piracy. One is about cyberstalking and the other was about a child abuse investigation. Those are arguably more serious than piracy in comparison.
You're missing the point. The point is that the "protection" doesn't necessarily work, regardless of what you're using it for, which undermines the purpose.
The fuck are you on?
If you are paying for something and you ultimately get busted and in financial trouble for using a service that says they're going to shield you from this stuff, you don't think you should get compensation? They aren't delivering their end of the bargain.
How am I paying for another person's ISP when I'm mooching off of their network to pirate from?
I'm not defending their argument but they're saying that a VPN is like paying for a second ISP to hide traffic from the first not that you're paying for someone else's ISP like the seeder of a torrent.
The fuck are you on?
Yes, the very same could be said about your comment since CSAM and "cyberstalking" randomly came into your argument even though there's no reference to that above.
I think there is a big misconception that the main use of a VPN is piracy when that is really only true when in a community of pirates. There are many legit uses for one as well.
For example, while VPNs are generally not a great tool for anonymity they can be a useful tool for privacy. One of the side effects of not trusting your ISP (or better put trusting your VPN over your ISP) with your data is it also makes it easier to torrent.
Its this relationship of trust that makes choosing a respected VPN (such as Mullvad, IVPN, or Proton) important over just choosing the cheapest provider with port forwarding.
Yeah I don’t really understand this post. I use a VPN pretty much 24/7 coupled with little snitch. I like controlling what information of mine is going out and who gets to come in.
Not every country has firms that send warning letters/lawsuits for torrenting. Research whether your country does that before getting a VPN. In my country, I never had to get one.
I don't have to worry about any of this because I live in Denmark! It is not possible for me to pirate stuff because it implies that I did not pay, which I did as there is a special piracy tax!
We call it 'blankmedieafgiften'.
we call it 'kulturarvsafgiften' and apparently you can't google it which I'm not gonna imply any conspiracies about but yknowI don't know about your piracy tax specifically, but there's also a tax on any storage media, printers etc. in Germany.
The "Urheberrechtsabgabe" (copyright duty) is not about paying for pirate copies, but it's a compensation for the loss due to the right to a private copy. A private copy is e.g. a copy of a CD I own in case the original gets destroyed. It's explicitly not allowed to share them.
Sadly the right to a private copy gets canceled as soon as it's necessary to break a "working" copy protection. CD copy protection has been broken for decades, but it still counts as a "working" copy protection. Thus a private copy is practically not possible legally, but we still pay this tax on any storage media... I really hate the copyright lobby.
is not about paying for pirate copies, but it’s a compensation for the loss due to the right to a private copy.
Sounds an awful lot like a piracy tax... We pay this tax on any device which can store bits, it's not just some storage mediums. If you buy a phone, you're paying this tax to a """non-profit""" org called CopyDan whose sole job is to make sure a few select fat cat copyright holders get paid. If I don't break their copyright, I still have to pay as if I did. Therefore, it's a piracy tax.
Do you know, is this another tax additional to "blankmedieafgiften" ("blank media tax" or "private copying levy"), or is it the same tax under a different name?
I live in Denmark (no Dane) and I never heard about it. Interesting to know.
Your mileage may vary. 25 years of downloading shit without a VPN and I never had a problem.
I mean can anyone really hold a copyright on shit? It just comes out of our butts.
No doubt about the same and I have pirated everything.
It's a numbers game for me. I think it really does depend where you live, and what you are downloading. 30+ years for me for the record, but I'm generally pretty low on the arrrrrr scale. Basically I'm guilty for like suburban house wife levels of pirating, downloading albums not yet released, the odd movie and maybe one to two PC games a year. Actually I'm a pretty big book pirate too, and I guess I do have IPTV, but my point is it's all for super-micro levels of personal consumption, I'm not wholesale uploading, I'm not resharing it, nor am I dealing in anything weird or gross. So wasting your time on me isn't going to be very fruitful, zero impact to the greater world and economy. Hence I don't waste much time with VPNs and all of that, I just don't think there's much reason to. Plus I don't fully trust that the NSA or whatever bureaucrat-org doesn't have a way to front run your traffic out of the ISP even before it hits the VPN.
Not everyone is US based, but ofc it's an understandable assumption since it's a very populous and well Internet-connected country (plus we're discussing in English).
To save one's behind when torrenting (pirating is a bit generic), a VPN is a great tool, but falling into the privacy/security and legal nightmare of a cheap service installing malware (or getting their proprietary app hacked) and/or stealing residential connections is a big risk (like with those services where a huge budget is spent on predatory marketing on youtube); paradoxically having that unrestricted VPN app installed might mean that a lot more people are torrenting with your residential connection. This point is not a deal breaker, just a "beware", do your homework and isolate that connection within your OS or even better within your network.
Other counterpoint: within a country where they haven't started to really crack down on it, you are protected by the impossibility of fining / suing / arresting millions of people at once. More people sign up for VPNs and torrent from outside the country, the more their connationals will also need protection.
Sorry for the wall of text..
So i see this alot and i understand it but at least in my country (canada) i have been torrenting for well over 15 years with out a vpn. The worst case is a 5k fine total but not before a letter from the isp forwarded to me on behalf of the copyright holder. Which i can ignore with out any issue since they have no idea who i am.
Issues will arise if you reply to them.
So is vpn required?
it depends on where you live and your confort with your risk.
Which i can ignore with out any issue since they have no idea who i am.
Issues will arise if you reply to them.
This sounds like the scare tactics they use for TV licensing here in the UK and is telling by how they change the letters to "The Occupier" after no replies to their scam.
Knock knock knock through the day / evening when housewife's are about and they prowl like fuckers. I had the opportunity to scare one away when they didn't expect it (really didn't like the fact that however much they asked for "my name" they got a blank look) and they ain't been back for years :/
Fuck Capita for scaring old ladies and fellow sailors.
UseNet over SSL?
I know 2 Germans. They prefer Usenet over VPN. USA gives you warning. Germans don't give warning.
A "great" thing about copyright infringement in Germany is that the statue of limitations only starts after the copyright holder learns from the copyright infringement.
This means, even if I torrented a movie 5 years ago, and the copyright holder finds out my name only now, they'd still have another 3 years to sue me.
Anyway, there're private torrent sites in Germany. It's only public sites that don't exist.
DDL and streaming sites are really big in Germany. Usenet too, but until a few years ago I don't think there were Indexers with API's, so it's been either manual downloading or streaming.
Keep in mjnd that in the US, downloading isnt the illegal part, its providing the file to others (seeding).
Got to seed tho matey...
Wrap that rascal up
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Or I2p
I don't need one, and you definetly dont need it for everything, maybe torrenting at the very minimum.
Amen to that!
pirating without a vpn is like having a naked phone. sure it's great but at what cost.
Zero cost.