How much $ is TOO much $ for a prole buying a SHTF rifle iyo?
How much $ is TOO much $ for a prole buying a SHTF rifle iyo?
Fwiw, am a really thrifty/frugal broke near hermit
Depression's improved to the point I'm not concerned with it being a risk to myself and am currently nogunz except for varmint air guns
Considering dropping like two grand on a nice rifle 
and equipment and training with it alongside my gym routine
Debating getting either a KUSA KR-101X or a Keltec RFB and an optic and chest rig/plates and pouches, spare mags, etc for either
The KR-101X is a 5.56 AKM/74 clone that takes AR mags and looks pretty good from what I've seen, the RFB is a .308 bullpup DMR (I'm kinda a tankie and a big Halo dork, so both have their appeals)
Live in a state with a 10 round mag restriction, so that's leaning me towards the RFB.
Thoughts?
Dunno if there's a loophole for larger mags or a SBR "pistol" 
that might be a better option
Am I being a dumbass?
Should I get a pistol or a .22LR plinker first? Should I not drop a used car price on a rifle I might never have to actually use aside from playing at the range and running drills as a hobby?
@Tervell@hexbear.net pls lend me your wisdom and recs
Any reason you want an ak pattern over an ar pattern? An ak that shoots 5.56 and uses stanags seems overcomplicated compared to getting an ar.
1500$ is an extremely expensive rifle if you're not an enthusiast. You can get a PSA ar15 for 5-700$ and it'll go bang every time and leave you money for glass, upgrades, mags, and other stuff.
Plus, ars have vastly more aftermarket parts and if your gun breaks it'll be a lot easier to get ar replacement parts than ak replacement parts.
I'll always advocate for a basic ar15 for a first gun
- ammo compatibility, 5.56 is plentiful
- you can share mags with other ars
- it's easy to get parts
- tons of aftermarket crap if you want that
Sbr "pistols" are a gimmick for dorks who want to be operators and think they're smarter than the atf. The reduced weight can be nice but you're making your life much more difficult with all the regulatory bs in exchange for like 6" or something of shorter barrel. A carbine length rifle is good enough for anything you'd ever need.
Regardless, guns are worse than useless without regular practice. You gotta commit to doing dry fire practice, working on clearing jams, range time, and probably learning a little bit about squad level rifleman tactics. If you don't put in the practice and education you won't be able to fight at all.
Also - before you even buy a gun - take a stop the bleed course, get some na rescue tourniquettes and learn how to use them, get a basic "someone has been shot" first aid kit together. Statistically you're much more likely to kill or injure yourself than you are to ever use your gun in any defensive situation. Having a good first aid kit, practicing with it, and knowing how to use it is at least as important as a gun right now.
You can get a drop-in .22lr bolt for ar pattern rifle so you can practice with much less expensive .22lr instead of 5.56. Idk how much they cost these days but they used to be under 200$
Oh, you also need to consider safe storage. Check the laws in your area to see what storage requirements exist and factor that in to your costs.
Thank you, that's a factor too
For ARs nowadays I think .300 "blackout" sounded appealing.
I've never shot 5.56 somehow. Lapua, BMG, 7.62x39, 7.62x54, and some shotgun/pistol calibers I'm uncertain of.
Any reason you want an ak pattern over an ar pattern?
I just think they're neat
An AR pattern is much more practical though
Plus if I want a bullpup, I think there are options that take AR parts
Could even get a Wylde barrel in order to shoot 223 and 556. Not sure if that's an option with the AK platform but it's nice to know that my AR will eat either cartridge all day.
Try to be really honest with yourself about what scenario you are likely to encounter where firearms will be useful. Use that scenario to guide your choices. That said, here's some general advice: get a cheap AR (maybe not the absolute cheapest) in .556 (also shoots .223), sights upgrade (perhaps a red dot/holo sight). Get a 9mm pistol (Glock or similar). A few boxes of defensive ammo for each (green tip .556, and hollow point 9mm) and a bunch of cheap target ammo for both for practicing. Get a couple of trauma kits and learn how to use them. Plates would be low on my list, but this will depend on the imagined scenario(s). Leftover money? Duplicate the set since another armed comrade is worth way more than one Gucci AK.
SHTF rifle
5.56NATO AR15 if you want to have the possibility of finding a replacement bolt carrier in a crisis situation.
This or be your own logistics corp and buy extra parts ahead of time
Everyone already told you not to buy an ak for a million good reasons, let me add another:
The cmmg ar 22lr bolt conversion.
You pop the upper off, pull the bolt out, put in the conversion and you can feed cheap 22lr out of its specialty magazines.
It’s not as accurate and can wear your barrel (people say, I haven’t experienced anything) and the gun doesn’t handle exactly the same, but for some kind of handling training and practice it really makes things cheaper and can help people get over the loudness and controls hump.
Second. It'll pay for itself if you're training as much ss you ought to.
Probably "when you start chasing diminishing gains relative to what your purpose for the weapon is"
A .22LR plinker is always a great choice. The ammunition is the cheapest and you can shoot it all day without hurting or going broke. It’s a great way to improve your overall technique and accuracy. If you get a rifle and a pistol, you can develop both skills with the same ammo, probably for less than a good 9mm pistol. In the mean time, if you go to some ranges with a friend you can rent something to try it out to see what you’re comfortable with.
I haven’t bought a gun in several years, so I’m not really sure what prices are like rn.
A .22LR plinker is always a great choice. The ammunition is the cheapest and you can shoot it all day without hurting or going broke. It’s a great way to improve your overall technique and accuracy.
I cannot possibly repeat this louder! Habits are more important than hardware, so make them affordable. Like a bicycle you can move from gun platform to platform once you hammer out the basics.
Worth going to gun shops and pawn shops to see if they have a cheap ruger 10/22. Idk what prices are like now but a few years ago you could sometimes find them under 200, sometimes with upgrades already insyalled.
I'd look into a pistol first, the stuff your talking about is for a shooting war which I think is a bit far from happening at the moment. Gonna be cheaper of course but also much more useful in self-defense. You can buy a Glock clone for $350 to $400. I have a Turkish SAR 9mm that's given me no issues and is quite affordable.
Is getting a used Makarov (or clone) or a Beretta Neos .22LR as a starter a dumb idea? A pistol is probably the most practical rn but I'm kinda yearning for a nice rifle and doing tacticool shit as part of my fitness routine
Either way I'm make myself get so fuckin' good at point shooting cqc drills and fast mag changes
Probably am gonna get a laser and a target gizmo to fidget with and drill with in the house regardless of what I get
Yes, it's a very poor idea. Makarovs are horrible guns. Get a glock, and if you don't want a glock get a cz, and if you don't want a cz get anything but some goofball museum piece.
See if any ranges in your area let you rent pistols to use on their range.
Also, i would recommend, if you're going to do tacticool, balance your cqc stuff with infantry stuff like shooting at range, bounding, travelling over rough terrain, outdoors stuff. Cqc in a real pitched fight is mostly terrifying bullshit where everyone dies. It's less "pie the corner" and more "blow a hole in the floor/wall/ceiling and drop grenades where you think the bad guys are until everyone is dead". Tacticool cqc is for us army soldiers terrorizing unarmed civvies and larping cops kicking doors down for petty weed charges. Learning how to shoot at range and coordinate with a fire team will see you a lot further.
It's important to decide: do you want a weapon or a toy? If you want a weapon get the most common, reliable thing you can. Ar15 for a rifle, and then a glock or another very common pistol for a side arm. A weapon needs to be easy to service and repair, it needs to eat the most common ammo around, and being able to share parts, ammo, and mags with your buddies isn't bad.
Make it a top priority to get good sights and learn how to use them
This. Most modern rifles are going to be more accurate than their user. A general rule is expect to spend about as much on glass as you did on the rifle, though good red-dots have come down dramatically in price over the yeras.
Any suggestions for a good reasonably priced red dot/holo sight? Now I'm kinda leaning towards a decent AR and using some of the Gucci gun money on an optic. Red dot/holo over a low power scope? Adjustable variable zoom red dots might be the way to go. Still kinda leaning towards the RFB since I live somewhere with 10 round mag restriction law and I kinda feel like you may as well go for .308 if you're limited to ten rounds, but it's pricier to train with
Lurking this thread taught me a lot so thank u all
I would honestly start out by getting a cheap AR15 like from PSA for around $500 and see how things go. You don't really know enough to really buy something expensive. I mean that as in, you don't know your own preferences - what you like and what you dislike, so it's better to get something inexpensive to start and then figure out what you like and don't like, then get something expensive.
The problem is most people go all out, buy something expensive, realize they don't like it, then either sell it or it just sits in their safe gathering dust.
The most expensive thing over time will be ammo. If you don't mind having multiple guns and all the fees that might entail, dropping $100 on a cheap 22 rifle and $250 on a tx22 will pay for itself in a dozen range trips. 22 can be found for ~5cpr, whereas 556 is gonna be ~50cpr and 308 ~70cpr.
AK is for style only and imo you can self express other ways. The cost difference between a decent AR and an equivalent or worse AK is better spent on sites, slings, mags, a gun safe, and training.
Word. Getting some snap caps for dry fire drills and practicing clearing malfunctions is a good choice. Get a dedicated mag just for drills, mark it with blaze orange, and store it with your snap caps separately from all live ammunition.