Ye Power Trippin' Bastards @lemmy.dbzer0.com macniel @feddit.org 3 wk. ago

So I was just banned from starcitizen@lemmy.ml for no apparent reason?

So I try to make heads or tails of this situation. I got randomly banned from a community where I posted a youtube video showing something from a Convention. Then I wanted to post a question today but realised that I couldn't since I was banned. That community is sadly the biggest of all Star Citizen communities (the next one would be from lemmy.world)

I took a look at the Mod log and see the following line in it:

So no clean up of violating comments or posts, just a strict out ban.

The community has a pretty standard ruleset:

further, the moderator @Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ml hasn't posted anything since a year, so what gives here, or was it some other mod that was able to declare the ban?

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This has nothing to do with the community. The modlog shows that you were banned site-wide from lemmy.ml, which is implemented by a ban from each individual community individually (so despite how this says it was done by a "mod", it was actually an admin):

Removed Comment So they are doing a China? by macniel@feddit.org reason: Rule 1

It is an unwritten rule that you are not allowed to criticize China there. Or Russia. Or anything else that they do not like.
- Oh damn now that makes sense. This site wide ban really needs to be conveyed better so I didn't even thought of making that connection.
  
  To bad that one of the biggest meme community is hosted on .ml
  
  Everyone is better off not using .ml
  
  To bad that one of the biggest meme community is hosted on .ml
  
  Give !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world and !memes@sopuli.xyz a check, perhaps you'll like one (or both) of them.
  
  No, just forget them.
Fuck Lemmy.ml they are all tankies and pro-fascism.

If you are a mod from lemmy.ml reading this, go fuck yourself ban me.
- If you are a mod from lemmy.ml reading this, go fuck yourself ban me.
  
  You know, at those times I'm really glad that I've stopped moderating comms there. I closed one down, migrated another, but nobody can blame me for condoning this shit.
  
  Thank you for your service. You are part of the solution here, we all can see it:-).
- I have them blacklisted so there's that.
Hey folks, I just had an amazing idea: a drinking game. Drink a sip when someone gets banned from lemmy.ml, under rule #1, for criticising either Russia or China. Two sips if there's no reasonable way to interpret it as criticism against the populations, only against the State or corporations.

...nah, bad idea. You'll ruin your livers.

Serious now. After checking the modlog, it's clearly a PTB (power-tripping bastards) case. The nearest of something bigoted that I could find in the modlog was

Conspiracy theorists, Populists and Putin Dick sucker will run with this for sure.

This is bad not because you're criticising Putin, or Trump, but because of the expression itself. Even then, it's more of a "Watch your language, you're being homophobic", not grounds for a month long ban. And let us not fool ourselves, this likely had zero impact on your ban.
- Devils advocate: sucking dicks isn't inherently gay (women exist), and "sucking someone's dick" figuratively is a colloquial albeit explicit term for "sucking up" to someone, or "kissing ass."
  
  Saying "blah blah sucking putin's dick" is homophobic (gay) is like saying "blah blah eating MTG's box" is homophobic (lesbian).
  
  The catch is that this only works to insult Trump because it's seen as insulting on first place, and it's only insulting because [homo|bi] men and women are seen as "less" than heterosexual men.
- Well, there was something about encouraging assassination, though it was two months ago. Possibly the admins were noticing a pattern of behavior and just decided to hell with it.
  
  So imho the chief issues here are perhaps more related to transparency, explaining what happened - OP had no idea even? - and why (as in precisely which rule), rather than trying to guess if it was justified or not, especially since we can no longer see all the linked stuff (unless someone has admin privileges and wants to look).
  
  Edit: also, I just had... significantly more than a sip, of 70 proof whiskey, so apparently I knew that you were going to say this? Yeah... we'll go with that:-).
  
  I saw that entry. It was in lemmy.world, not .ml, and given the target of the joke I don't think that the .ml team would care about it.
  
  So imho the chief issues here are perhaps more related to transparency [...]
  
  Yup, pretty much. They never communicate properly who is removing the content / banning the user, and why. And they clearly don't want to. (Perhaps the .ml admins are waiting for the devs to implement transparency features into Lemmy /s)
- Well, I got banned from ml. What are we drinkin boys
- I was banned for saying Cuba was communist with no value judgment of either the nation or the political system. AFAIK they are the only truly communist nation remaining.
  
  I was banned for saying Cuba was communist with no value judgment of either the nation or the political system. AFAIK they are the only truly communist nation remaining.
  
  Emphasis mine. That is not how it looks like in the original context:
  
  [OP] If the US stayed out of other countries politics and there were no coups or installation of people favorable to the US what would the world look like?
  
  [You, removed as "rule 1"] Those countries would have been taken over by communist regimes due to support from hostile nations... So like Cuba but all over the place.
  
  You're clearly casting a value judgment over the Cuban political system, and defending US intervention in other countries.
  
  With that out of the way, it's yet another case of rule #1 (no bigotry) being used to prevent people from criticising the admins' views, because they can't be arsed to list in the rules "5. Don't criticise our political views here."
  
  Side note. I do not want to engage on the discussion of capitalism/socialism/communism here, as it falls outside the scope of this community. However:
  
  Communists distinguish between "socialism" and "communism", as two sequential economic systems. Cuba's regime is socialist, not communist. Since this conflation shows that you aren't communist, it further reinforces reading your comment as casting a negative judgement over the Cuban regime.
  
  What you're calling "nation" there is "country". For Cuba it doesn't make much of a difference, but for other countries it does.
- IMO even in this case, he's not criticizing them for sucking dick, he's criticizing them for sucking Putin's dick. Those two things are not the same - one is potentially homophobic (if directed at male users), but the other is more of an indictment of users who are happy to swallow Putin's constant stream of disinformation than it is a criticism of anyone's sexuality. I get that some folks have trouble parsing the difference though.
  
  IMO even in this case, he’s not criticizing them for sucking dick, he’s criticizing them for sucking Putin’s dick
  
  Yup, and that's an attenuating factor, alongside what ArcaneSlime said. It's no grounds for a ban, at most a "pls watch language" scolding.
It's probably @davel@lemmy.ml the pro-Russian shill.

Dude denies Russian propaganda even existing. These clowns are so uncultured they genuinely don't understand how see-through their bullshit is.
- Broaden your mind.
  
  There is more than one Lemmy.ml admin:-).
  
  There's a whole bunch of them for sure. Just wanted to ping the fucker.
Getting banned from lemmy.ml is a badge of honor.
Well your first mistake was buying into Star Citizen's empty promises.
- Eh, it's a hobby and I like it very much :)

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