9mo ago

Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party

"How has Stein fared as a leader? By AOC’s perfectly reasonable standard, she’s done abysmally. As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.

This meager coalition can’t possibly kick-start a legitimate political movement, capable of organizing voters and advancing ideas outside of perennial electoral events. It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work."

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10mo ago

Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party

newrepublic.com /article/186004/green-jill-stein-2024-election

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It's a two party system. Everybody knows if you run as a third party you're merely increasing the chances that the ones furthest from you politically will be elected.
It's impossible for a third party candidate to be running for president in the US in good faith unless they're complete fucking idiots with no idea how the political system works.
Jill Stein knows how the system works. So obviously she's not acting in good faith.
Simple as that.
- Seems like you beat the coin flip today, and people agree with you. Watch out, next time the Libertarians and Communists will tell you that just getting on the ballot is enough to make a dent in the two party system...
  
  It's a thread about the Green Party, those trolls don't bother coming here. The third party enthusiasts only show up for the Harris threads.
  ...speaking of good faith.
  
  The communist party of the United States has consistently refused to run candidates for major offices very specifically to avoid spoiling the vote.
  
  Guys as soon as we've got 5% popular vote we get on the ballots automatically. That prevents unavoidable blockers like how our own campaign fucked up the paperwork! It will be all over for these fuckers, we will win it for certain after that.
- There's room for 3rd party candidates who have principals that voters can compare candidates to and not let the 2 party system shift in whatever direction it wants as soon as the 2 parties start racing to the bottom. But if you accept Putin's money and influence it is your party who is racing to the bottom and you have no principles so that's when you become a useless drain.
- Everybody capable of rational thought knows that. However there are plenty of tankie douchebags who would love to tell you what a wrong ShItLiB you are for saying this basic truth
- Your party should have done better, it's as simple as that.
  
  How well has your party done though?
When I was a teenager and foolish and a republican, we campaigned for the green party because we thought we could trick democrats into voting green but we'd never get them to vote republican. make of that what you will.
- It's literally one of the things they do every election. This isn't new. Or even news. Unless people were living under a rock, or blind.
  Just like Russia, China, etc help any misinformation and disinformation campaign they can all over the world in other countries. All chaos is good for them in the end. Even if their ideal candidate doesn't win, the bickering they help stole makes it harder for other countries to rally very well against their interests.
  It's the same reason the US has done the same shit all over as well. Promoting and supporting coups is a national passtime because it helps the US indirectly either way.
It makes total sense for Russia to make Jill Stein a Russian asset because it neutralizes an anti-oil organization. Oil is very important to Russia’s economy so of course they don’t want any phase-out of fossil fuels.
- It's much more simple. If Trump wins, Russia gets the Ukraine. Putin put the war in motion thinking Trump was a sure bet last election.
  It why Trump is trying to pull us out of all our treaties. I think he gives Putin a run at all of Europe possibly.
  
  ~~the~~ Ukraine
  Edit: Found the Russian 😆 3/1
- "Useful idiot" is probably more accurate than "asset". Even AOC doesn't go that far...
Wait, the Green Party only had 300k members at it's peak? That's 0.001% of the American population. Why are all the tankies in here talking about how voting for Stein will make a difference? That's not even enough to consider her a contender in most states, much less for the whole country.
Edit: should be 0.1%. My bad and thanks for the correction!
- Because they are not trying to get her elected, they are trying to destroy the west by getting trump elected.
- Hey, at their peak, when Nader was running in 2000 and Bush was installed as President by the Supreme Court, the Greens got 2.7% of the vote!
  The best they've done since then is Stein in 2016 with 1.07%.
  Generally, they're 0.1%, 0.3%. In that range.
  
  People forget, but in the 70's Nader was so feared by the DC elite that Nixon repeatedly complained about him on the Nixon tapes. Nader would have been a good president based on his record of advocating for citizens over corporations.
  
  Ah yeah I remember that! I remember everyone talking about the 3% threshold where (if I remember correctly) the green party would be included in debates and receive federal campaign funds. Hell, if they couldn't do it at the height of Nader always I don't see that happening now, particularly under Stein.
- (319,000 / 293,000,000) 100 = ~0.11%
  Not 0.001%. Unless you were just overexaggerating their insignificance on purpose. However that's then potentially 319k less voters for the Dems.
  
  Nope, you're right. I did it in my head and forgot to multiply by 100. Good catch!
- Because they can smugly claim to have accomplished something with their vote while the country burns around them. Must be nice not being at risk under a Trump administration.
  
  Smugly is the perfect word for it. People like that turn my stomach with their attitudes
- Because for as long as they remain an available alternative to the democrats, they place pressure on them to address their policy shortfalls.
  The real question is why the Democrats have suddenly decided they are an unacceptable threat, despite their declining registrations numbers.
  
  The real question is why the Democrats have suddenly decided they are an unacceptable threat, despite their declining registrations numbers.
  Because the polling is currently a toss up between Trump and Harris. And the closer the race, the easier it is for spoiler candidates to spoil the vote. Hence the panic.
Jill Stein is so bad that if I lived in a ranked choice voting state, I would still rank her pretty low.
@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world
The Green Party is dying! Save it SB!
- Didn't you hear? @UniversalMonk@lemmy.world "isn't even voting for Jill Stein."
  
  He does respect your right to vote for whoever you want though!
  
  You win, as he used your prediction. 😆
- I'm not voting for her.
  
  If you have issues with the article, you can take it up with the people who wrote it. Thanks, friend!
Was the Green party ever alive? I don't think so.
- Did well enough to stop lots of nuclear from getting built. God, they suck.
- I liked Nader, and there were a few candidates inbetween before Stein took it over for good. But now even Nader isn't for Stein...
Green / Red...can't ell the difference when you're colorblind.
I think Ralph Nader killed it when he helped get us Bush and the war criminals.
Jill just figured out the Putin would pay to reanimate its corpse.
- The Green Party really didn't exist before Nader. There was a loose coalition of state Green parties that united under Nader in 1996. But the idea of a national Green party wouldn't happen until 2001.
  
  Good point, but I still think that even if he created it, he also damaged its reputation the most in the 2000 election.
  Stein being a stooge for Putin is just the result of a weak/desperate organization that needs funding and has no real leadership or ideals outside of at best, wanting to exist, but at worst, planning to spoil for an ideologically opposite party.
Reactionary people are unable to accept that some of us are socialists who have an absolute fear of more orange bad. I love where I live and planned to stay the rest of my life, but will be forced (by my own standards and fear) to leave the country if he returns to office.
The Green Party is mostly a joke anyway.
Fingers crossed!
If there's such a fear of third parties cleaving off votes from the Democrats, why have they never tried to mobilize similar forces on the right?
We had the Libertarians right there, before they imploded.
- The Republican party saw it happening and absorbed it. Groups like the Tea Party were a very real threat to Republican party candidacy in elections. They absorbed the groups and shifted more right to integrate them.
  The Democrat leadership however aren't willing to actually shift left. They current Dem leadership aren't actually radically left at all like the Republicans keep trying to convince people. They keep shifting right along with everything else taking the Overton window with them.
  
  The teabagger (their original name) thing was started by Republicans.
  
  Because people on the left are mostly younger and they won't vote no matter what you promise them, even if it's everything that they want to be promised.
- Because Democrats are honestly bad at their jobs. I can't come to any other conclusion - whether it's intentional or just basic incompetence, I'm not sure. There's no Mitch McConnell Dem equivalent, including Nancy Pelosi. The current Supreme Court justice mess is due to Dem strategy fuckups on multiple levels.
- Politically it is a good thing. I don't know what angle they took but it generally means the campaign believes they're in the lead.
  As far as having more man hours to throw at stuff, it sounds like the green party needs to be recruiting. Not lancing at windmills and getting laughed off the stage.
- Its funny that some democrats are doing exactly what you say in your last sentence, calling any criticism of the party an attempt to destroy democracy.
"Waaah. They are spoiling all my hard work of selling out the people."
- How is AOC selling out the people?
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Unless dems and reps cheat. Green party is doing better this election simply because Harris is a drug Barron, and Trump is a shiester. This article is their windbags blowing because people aren't gobbling up their plates of human shit and voting for it... What comes next is gonna blow some peoples minds(figuratively ofcourse).
- I hate myself already for asking. But uh, what's going to come next?
  
  Next is Sumguy takes his evening meds and goes to sleep.
She's going to spoil the election for Harris libs! There's nothing you can do about it, except stop your genocide is Gaza.
- Such commitment to the bit! Love how you encapsulated the sheer ignorance and downright avoidance of reality of typical leftists here in just a few short sentences!
  You’ve got a career in comedy ahead of you!
Liberals are desperate to smear any threat to their existence and power. Watching it reminds me of Southerners that were desperate to cling to their 'heritage' of hate and bigotry. They didn't see it as hate and bigotry, but everyone else paying attention did
- Tankies are desperate for any reason to pretend their ideas aren't trash
Can you imagine if you campaigned against trump half as much as you campaign against progressive parties?
- Jill Stein is a lot of things, but "progressive" ain't one of 'em. I'd love for Harris and the Dems to be more progressive, but they're going to need a better example than Stein.
  
  https://www.jillstein2024.com/platform
  Same request for you, which parts of the platform arent progressive
- Can you imagine if Jill Stein was progressive? Yeah me neither..
  
  https://www.jillstein2024.com/platform
  Can you point what parts of the platform arent progressive?
- Same can be said about those promoting Jill Stein and other spoiler parties.
- I imagine that most of it is going there, at least if one were to follow the money trail. It's just that the Green party is so much smaller, so a few bits of afterthought saber rattling hurt them a lot worse than a much larger spend (by the Dems) against the GOP hurts the GOP.
- Or if for policies popular with a wide swath of America? Naw. I believe what MSNBC and all the real adults in the room agree with:
  Our party should ebrace moderate Republicans! Smear the greens! Keep ~~leftist~~ spoiler parties off the ballot! Dismiss Dem party dissidents as traitors and foreign assets! This is what real leftists do. All leftists to the left of me are actually to the right.
  I would know, i'm a Democrat, and I'm as left as they come
  
  Oh, yeah, me too, I am a very far left lefty. That's why when it comes to elections I ignore groups like Uncommitted and instead vote how the furthest right group wants lefties to vote.
  
  A party that might get 1% of the vote represents a “wide swath of America” more than a party that gets >50% ?
ITT: Blue MAGA and preaching to the choir.
Dr. Jill Stein has improved the Green Party; y'all just believe anything the duopoly and owner-class media spit out when it agrees with your thinking.
Muslim support is at an all-time high for Dr. Jill Stein; that is why AOCPelosi, the new attack dog of Blue MAGA, started up again.
I suggest getting out of the echo chambers and checking out independent journalists instead of continuing the self-censorship.
- Blue MAGA is not real
  
  It's as real as MAGA, but MAGA knows it's batshit crazy
  
  They are and they call you a nazi for saying free palestine or saying anything remotely negative about any democrat ever
  Edit but also the guy you're replying to is dumb, wtf do they mean by AOCPelosi? They hate eachother xD
- Is bLuE mAgA in the room with you right now?
  
  BlueMAGA mentality infests society like mosquitoes and roaches
- Oh it's our resident "independent journalism" guy who seems to post nothing but far-right podcasts.
- Dr. Jill Stein has improved the Green Party; y’all just believe anything the duopoly and owner-class media spit out when it agrees with your thinking.
  In what ways, alongside the one point mentioned, and according to what sources (presumably not from the party itself)?
- Oh jeez is that why Nader is voting the way he says he is?
- Lol people believe shit like this
- The greater part of the population is not very intelligent, dreads responsibility, and desires nothing better than to be told what to do. Provided the rulers do not interfere with its material comforts and its cherished beliefs, it is perfectly happy to let itself be ruled.
  ~Aldous Huxley
  
  Wow! Never read that quote. Perfectly explains how American politics got to be such a mess. I laugh at all the revolutionary talk around here.
  material comforts
  Yeah, no, we're so well-fed we have to find excuses for our rampant obesity. There won't be a revolution until people are literally fighting for food and our masters will never allow that to come to pass. Look at lemmy, bitching and moaning about video game prices and such. We're pretty fucking far from lacking material comforts. To add, a lot of people think they're suffering, but haven't seen a day of true poverty in their lives. Y'all, you're suffering in comparison to what could and should be.
  cherished beliefs
  As fast as we in the West are dropping religion, notice the politicians haven't done anything about the rampant sex abuse? Taxing the church? Unheard of! Let the masses have their silly beliefs, stick to the middle of the road if you must, get elected again.

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