The stuff I see on social media makes me angry, and Kamala is not a perfect candidate

"I have high standards, I'd rather have my clothes covered in dog shit than put on a non-Gucci article of clothing."

How's them standards going for you when you're now covered in shit?

They revel in being covered in shit. Then they call you the real filth for not covering yourself in shit.
In other words, not unlike Republicans.
- You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they're leftists because they're wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.
  Like 9/10 times they're some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they're privileged and insulated from it, and also they're tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren't bigots anymore.
It’s a lot easier to blame things than to fix them.
single issues voters would rather be consuming literal dogshit than see their issue unresolved
- How much dogshit do I have to eat to end genocide in Palestine? I'll do it.

Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.

Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this
Why?
Why does everyone have to get used to and just blindly accept that the system is shit and doesn't serve them or make their lives any better?
Why are you so comfortable settling for so little?
Why don't you want better for yourself, and worse, think you get to demand the same of others?
(I don't need your answers, these are all for you and those who agree with you to ask yourselves)
- This is an imperfect world.
  Democracy is necessarily the function of creating coalitions of compromise between literal millions of people, all with different interests and concerns.
  Politicians, as a career, self-select for ambition and ego, and that comes with certain implications in even the best of them.
  Jesus fucking Christ, is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?
- In what world will a politician never disappoint you?
  I'm generally in full control of myself and even I disappoint myself - fringe third party candidates are not the political messiah some people think they are.
- Why?
  even if it goes perfectly, you'll be left wanting more.
- Cuz it's democracy. If you wanted someone to be in office who would get everything done with no obstacles no roadblocks and no delays then you wouldn't be looking at democracy you'd want a dictator. You can want that if you want but just be honest about it.
- Amen
- Because people in office are individuals and morality is relatively subjective. The only politician who will do everything you want and believe everything you believe is yourself. Run for office.
The only politician who won't disappoint you on every issue is yourself. Run for office. No joke. Use your rights. Vote. Speak. Run for office.
Not using those rights is functionally the same as not having them.
- I doubt that. My dad got elected to a town council and was pretty disappointed about what the system let him accomplish.
Voters will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.
- Yeah, that too.
  "To summarize the summary of the summary: People are a problem."
- The difference is campaigns spend over a billion dollars these days and don't even try to convince voters.
  They do anything for donations to spend on fundraisers for more donations, and they just go round and round. Every revolution everyone involved skims a little.
  If it costs over a billion dollars to beat trump in an election, maybe we should worry less about donations and more about votes.

A more nuanced version of this is, if you live in a state that has 0% chance of swinging, feel free to do a protest vote. Voting for Jill Stein or write in Bernie Sanders in California or Wyoming will not change anything, on the other hand if you do funny votes in Pennsylvania or Georgia you are worse than MAGA people.

Even if you are in a Blue State, the US needs to overwhelmingly reject Trump both in electoral and popular vote.
Otherwise a Trump replacement will pop up in 4 years.
- Otherwise a Trump replacement will pop up in 4 years.
  i doubt they'll find one, but it's a worrying possibility.
- Trump replacements will pop up every 4 years until the end of the USA.
Yes, with electoral college that strategy is acceptable... buuuuuut...
DON'T sleep for a second on the downballot races, for House Rep., Senator, Governor, state positions, ballot measures (including on a woman's right to an abortion), and everything else applicable to you on Election Day. DON'T stay home even if you don't like your choice of President/VP or that your state won't affect who will reside in the Oval Office.
Any of these other races can be close. Each has a piece of a government that has big effects on many of the issues you care about.

Pretty typical of left leaning voters. Lots of issues, lots of arguing, very little in the way of coming together. Give the Right one thing: They will come together to fuck you over.

The left wing circular firing squad

NO ONE is a perfect candidate

I'm still going to tick the Kamala box, but I'm ashamed of how little she's trying to be a good candidate. After Nov4, I'll get going with direct action.

Exactly, her winning is not the end. We need to apply a massive amount of pressure since she is a neoliberal.
- Who the fuck is disliking? This is it. We need to apply the pressure after Drumpf is taken care of.
What specifically do you think she should do better on?
- Medicare for All. The insurance pyramid scheme is getting more and more insane
- Main issue for most people is the fact that she's not trying harder to stop Israel from killing Palestinians.
- We operate with a vibes based approach here
  /s 🙄

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good

No American here. I ask myself, does a third candidate have any real chance of getting enough votes to gain visibility in the media and elsewhere? Even if it is for future elections?

I don't know the answer, but if it's no and you know it and still decide to vote for a third candidate, you're an idiot. Work to make this a reality within four years, for the next four years, if you don't do it and just complain you're an asshole.

The trouble with never voting for a 3rd party is that you enable the 2 party system, which fundamentally promotes tribalism, division, and corruption.
Whats worse is that it snowballs and is completely out of control. There was a time when I would say that it's worth voting for a candidate that will never get elected to sway future policy, but although it's always felt like the other guy I'd going to ruin everything, it's truer now than it has ever been. And it won't stop at Trump. Trump could be dead, some equally craven ghoul would take his place. That ship will never turn, it will only pull away from the Democrats. Nothing can ever progress. There is only the fight.
America is a cautionary tale.
If your country is lucky enough to have 3 or more major political forces, keep that alive.
- vote for voting reform in your state. That solves most of that problem.
- There is an option if you really care enough about this. It works to promote a third party during the four years between presidential elections. local, state and federal elections in the middle of the electoral cycle are much more influential than is often believed and if enough people work on it, it would not be so unimaginable for a third candidate to have the proper impact. Watch the tea party and follow their example in the opposite direction.
  If you don't care enough to work on it for four years, well, maybe you don't care enough
I don't understand how you can get this so easily but people in our own damn country are literally not capable
- Many of them are perfectly capable, but simply don't care if Trump wins, despite their claims. They're fine with fascism, as long as they don't have to feel bad.
if they do they won't drop out, and they won't be a green party candidate.
It's that simple, if a third party drops out it's because they think they're going to harm the chances of one side winning the vote.
The likelihood of a third party winning is very low. Especially if they're an independent.

I'd just like to clarify that presidential elections are not the only time to vote if you want to see any actual change. There are elections every year. Keep up to date on what's going on in your state, in your county, in your city or town, and actually put the work in.
Most of the people in power got there by being elected to other positions years ago.

She doesnt have to be perfect, just better than the fat shithead her opponent is.

I once heard politics likened to public transit. No, it's not a door to door service that gets you exactly where you want to go. However, it can get you in the general direction you're headed, and it's obviously better to get closer to your destination than going opposite damn direction.
We're moving a bunch of people around, not everyone can have a perfect route.

trump is back to leading in the polls, folks. pull your heads out of your asses.

No, she isn't. What needs to be said is that she presents far less danger for our country than Trump does. It really sucks having two candidates you don't like, but for the sake of integrity, you have to always choose what you believe is the lesser of two evils.

Douche and Turd Sandwich, every last time. Does get a little old.
Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn't have to pander to the "center" - and I say "center" because anyone considering voting for Trump in the first place is not in the "center" and if they are, we're worse off than I realized.
- Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Harris once she doesn’t have to pander to the “center”
  Nothing I've seen while she's been in office suggests she's going to be anything but a Mitt Romney tier corporate hack.
  She's got a rich and eager pool of progressive voters to court - voters she was happy to pander to back in 2020 - who she has spurned since she became VP. She's taken an outright reactionary stance on immigration. She's abandoned any support of a public health insurance option. She's all in on genocide in Gaza. She's taking enormous amounts of money from Crypto banks and gig economy CEOs. She got an endorsement from Dick fucking Cheney, so you can guess where she stands on fossil fuels.
  But she's not Trump, so...

Until she is elected, I will be a solid supporter. As soon as she's elected, I'll go back to being a critic. But lordy, I'd vote for a literal clown before a Trump.

sOCiaL mEdiA kEePs Me iNfOrMed!
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe! wHy BoThEr VoTiNg LoL!

We can change the Dems and push them towards actually being good by just uncritically voting for them every election I see no flaw in this plan.

Not to mention showing up for the primaries too.
It fucking mystifies me that people will condemn the dems for never voting for progressives in primaries, and then just never turn out to the primaries themselves.
Primary turnout is consistently pathetic and an abject condemnation of the wannabe revolutionaries who speak with fire then act with all the likewise energy of cosmic background radiation.
"I don't understand what a primary is", the voter.
- Let me check who I could've voted for Dem presidential candidate this year in the primaries. Here's the list:
  Oh I should've voted in 2020? I could've chose between:
  Biden (no)
  Bernie "Israel has every right to defend itself" Sanders
  Bloomberg (lmao)
Best to wait until the opposition isn’t someone who will straight up take away your ability to vote in the first place.
- I'll be waiting here on this bench
- wait im sorry what the fuck does this mean?
  I'm so confused? This isn't a russia disinformation post is it?

This thread is a honeypot for annoying accounts to block

I'm 40yrs old. I voted for Hillary. I HATE the democrats, I HATE the republicans. Not once in 40yrs have they successfully reduced the budget, the closest was Clinton and we see how that turned out "erry budy gets a chek instead of healthy deflation", both parties have ruled during severe drops in quality of living standards, both parties have to destroyed peoples lives with the failed war on drugs. Both parties are the finger puppets for the 1%. I refuse to play their game, we lose no matter what. Vote for your drug war baron that got famous for arresting people for marijuana possession. Vote for your conman that ruins small businesses by refusing to pay for their services. Both think you're an idiot, and they can't wait until your turn to be vulnerable to them. But sure, by not voting for the douche you are supporting the turd sandwich, in the same way by not getting a diesel gas car your supporting electric vehicles.

voting now has a decent chance of changing the historical precedence here, kamala and tim walz are two unusual candidates in this cycle. Neither really have the classic dem history of the political ruling class, like biden and the clintons.
I understand why you and many other people are extremely reluctant to vote/against voting in this election. But I feel your analogy is incorrect.
By not voting for the ~~douche~~ bloodthirsty democrat you are supporting the ~~turd sandwich~~ fascist and (more) bloodthirsty republican, in the same way that not pulling the lever is supporting the death of more people on the train tracks.
Not buying diesel/gas car =/= inherent passive support for electric in any way, but in a two party system, in an election like this one, not voting, or not voting democrat directly increases ~~pedestrian train deaths~~ the odds of america falling to a fascist party with a plan. You can vote * and still protest, petition, and riot against the policies you dont like.
"Ha ha, it's so funny when minorities are hurt more because I don't feel like the suffering of oppressed demographics matter!"
- not just minorities btw, everyone

Ah yes, the latest in-group propaganda campaign. Please honor me with your downvotes.

It's funny, because Republicans are running the exact same propaganda on the reverse.
There's a Ben Garrison cartoon floating around that insinuates not voting for Trump is the same as murdering babies.
These candidates seem to stand for nothing. At least Obama and Biden lied to us about DC Statehood and closing Gitmo and student debt relief. Bush pretended to care about pro-business immigration reform and privatizing social security. Even Trump had "The Wall that Mexico will pay for".
I've got no idea what Trump or Harris are actually campaigning on this year other than to say they aren't the other person on the ballot. Even RFK is in on the act, having folded his campaign because he doesn't want to upset MAGA voters.
- Yeah there's never been a better time to vote for a third party. I think we can move past this duopoly superstructure as long as we keep resisting. I don't think the millenials or zoomers are as gullible as the boomers. But maybe I am being irrationally optimistic.

you mean to tell me that my two candidate options are dumb and dumber... And then thing1 and thing2? (i almost gotcha on that one)

Whatever will i do. What a hard decision.

You could make this meme replacing Harris with Trump in the text and replacing Trump with Harris in the pictures and it would be exactly as true, which is to say, not.

It's the GOP that increases their chance of winning the fewer voters vote. They actively try to suppress voters. The more people that vote the higher chance the democrats win
- Regardless, not voting or voting third party is not a vote for either major party's candidate, as the meme implies.

I'd be voting PSL if I got a vote at all

I feel unrepresented.

Harris will continue to work with the DNC for major donors and against the people.

Trump is allowing Nationalist Christians to infiltrate the government.

Please give me a shame box too.

No need for shame. There is nothing wrong with how you feel.
Unfortunately the Democratic party became conservative and the Republican party went batshit insane because of it.

1 day old account
Airs grievances for Kamala but not Trump
Completely writes off marginalized groups
Generalizes Kamala's platform to "identity politics"
Fails to take into account polls and the last election as reasons to vote
Fails to elaborate on what they care about, just that Kamala hasn't talked about it
Sure thing, comrade.
You will wake up to Trump just like in 2016.
I too thought Trumps candidacy a joke in 2016. How could anyone listen to him and still vote for him? After I got over the shock I pictured everyone in flyover states as that bully from Simpsons, “Ha-ha”
I’m sitting this one out too. Kamala has started to grate my mind because I’m not hearing her touch on things that I feel she should. It’s always been about identity politics and more undoing of Trump’s policies whatever is left.
what the fuck else are you supposed to focus on, im not even sure the federal government has fully recovered yet?
This is the one way you're going to unify a voter base.