Who is Jordan Peterson, what does he say and why is he bad (or is he good)?

Forgive me for dipping back into reddit, but I remember having this saved. Credit to /u/Exis007.

So, let's take JP really seriously for a hot second.

He's doing something really interesting in his writing that I think a lot of people miss. And so if you want to find the appeal, I think you have to take half the appeal of Ben Shapiro and Louder With Crowder and cross it with the power of an academic coming up with a philosophical viewpoint that basically validates what you want, kind of irrespective of what you want, in your heart. It's pretty irresistable.

He plays a game. He gives you a long anecdote and in that anecdote, he's very clearly making an argument. It's not a complicated argument, you can follow it, it's pretty explicit. Then, next to the anecdote, he includes a conclusion. So it looks like [Long story about how hierarchies are found in nature via birds and lobsters] / [conclusion: hierarchies are naturally occurring and we can't get rid of them]. Now, any logical person makes a leap and says, "Okay, but humans aren't birds and lobsters, so....why does that apply?". He comes back and says, "I never said that we're exactly like birds and lobsters, you cannot read, you didn't understand, you're stupid". Obviously not in that language. So he's constantly constructing what he's saying in this very slippery way that anyone engaging with his ideas on his terms is going to naturally draw conclusions about how he's getting to his ideas, but the way he constructs them isn't an argument with evidence, it's very loosey-goosey and so he can constantly call you out on misrepresenting his point and claim he never said the thing you are attributing to him, etc.

So what results are these "debates" or confrontations where people try to talk to him or engage him about his ideas in a critical way and he can shut them all down, which is fun for some people. It's a display of intellectual superiority for some, and a frustrating and puzzling experience for his opponents because he'll immediately backtrack on anything you try to pin him down on. So it produces....great content! It produces a lot of videos where some fumbling liberal/leftist is trying to engage with what he said and he stomps all over them by claiming they don't get it and that's some gooooood youtube. Ben Shapiro and Crowder do the same schitck, and if you don't know that you're going into that scenario when you talk to them, you'll lose just based on the rhetorical stratgies. They look smart and cool without even really talking about the ideas, because the POINT is not to talk about the ideas.

Secondly, his larger point--his thesis--is pretty attractive to conservatives. It boils down to a couple of things, but I think the highlights are that there's a way the world is, the western world (whatever that means) and we all know it in our heart. There are natural orders and hierarchies and ways of being and those are intrinsic to human nature so man v. woman and rich v. poor and all of these social critiques you might make against them are basically fighting the inevitable. Nevermind the specifics of how you get to that conclusion, you can just feel it from the long tradition of the western, Christian world and it's good, actually and natural and we should quit fighting about it. He also makes an argument that we shouldn't try to change the world, but change ourselves. Don't fight poverty, learn to get along with your girlfriend. Don't agitate for change, figure out how to not overdraw your checking account. There's no benchmark for when you've sufficiently got your shit together that you can go and try to change the world, but he's largely making an argument for political and social apathy. Let the grownups worry about the world; go clean your room. This fits very neatly into conservative doctrine, obviously. The way things are is how they are meant to be; stop trying to make things better, focus on your tiny square of the planet and tidy it up.

Even the enemy is kind of vague to the point of being everyone you don't like. What is a "Postmodern Neo-Marxist"? Fuck if I know. Obviously, it involves jewish people because it's really leaning hard on anti-semitic propaganda in the coined language, but it also means two oppositional things too. Postmodernism is the intellectual cliff face that starts to erase meaning (which he's not down with, because meaning is intrinsic and natural and just the way humans are). Marxism is an organized, philosophical point of view against capitalism. The two aren't really related or even very compatible. But they are both the tips of the speers in terms of progressive politics, the idea that hierarchies and meaning are junk we created and we can create something better, or an idea that we can reorganize society to make it something we can all thrive under, so it doesn't matter that they aren't cohesive. That's better. We might call it, "People who don't agree that the way things are is great, and who might want to change it in ways that are unnatural (provided by the definition of natural)".

And so, we're left with a calming message. Everything you know and understand about the world is right, it is intrinsic and natural, and you don't need to feel bad about it. You can and will keep on being the way you are because that's how humans are meant to be. Don't worry about change or politics, just focus on yourself. People who try to argue with you about it are stupid and evil, so they can be humiliated on youtube for fun and you don't have to think about what they are really trying to say. What's more attractive than that?

Imagine, if you will, a fascist Kermit the frog

He is part of the far-right pipeline, he is a "self-help" guru that specifically targets lonely young white americans.

Many of the things he says are normal self-help stuff like improving ourselves but the thing is that between these messages he sprinkles nazi apologia, white supremacism, misogyny, etc.. There are many videos out there debunking him if you want specific examples, but to boil it down he is a "pseudo-intellectual andrew tate". His message is the same but he uses pedantic words and dances around a lot.

Also some funny lore about him that should discredit a lot of what he preaches: he practices a "meat-only" diet, struggles with addiction to benzos, once debated zizek about marxism (a topic he constantly mentions mind you) and confessed that he only has read the communist manifesto, he is weirdly obsessed with the cold war so much that he hoards soviet art and named his daughter after Gorbachev.

Do not Google "Jordan Peterson grandmother dream". Worst mistake of my life.

A surrogate father for today’s dog brained alienated men who counterbalances amazing takes like women are chaos dragons with sage advice like clean your room.

He’s a right wing shithead and sucks bc he is a right wing shithead.

Imagine if your sketchy psych professor started selling self-help books targeted exclusively at disaffected toxic white guys and the lesson it taught them is that it's all because the wokes destroy the Good Order of the world.

Also he is in benzo withdrawal because of eating an all-meat diet because he kinda believes his own bullshit and now he cannot emotionally self-regulate at the same time he's peddling Canuck fascism.

He’s a “psychologist” psychopath professor from Canada who hates trans people and is beloved by the right wing. Hakim made a few videos on how he sucks. Chapo Traphouse frequently makes fun of him, even centrists and libs kinda find it funny to make fun of him even if they don’t disagree with everything he says. He talks like Kermit and is addicted to xanax. I could go on and on, but I’ll let other comrades talk their shit, basically he’s cringe in every way

If you’re curious, try looking up a takedown video from one of your favorite YouTubers. There are many videos about him as he’s a very weird, sad, awful person.

Note: I don’t suggest going down that rabbit hole if you are triggered by transphobia. He basically made a name for himself as the thinking-man’s transphobe.

Jordan peterson is the kind of guy to act like an authority on sociology, show up to a three hour debate with a sociologist (who isnt a marxist, they have just read marx) and prepare by skimming (not reading) the communist manifesto only.

Source; https://youtu.be/qsHJ3LvUWTs

He's the smug white-guy replacement for Christopher Hitchens, except dumber.

he's a psuedo intellectual, and yes he's bad

Jordan Peterson is an idiot that's popular among the alt-right. I can't believe he managed to become a professor.

Permanently Deleted

He is a psychologist and author from Canada. Whether he is good or bad is an opinion and one you should decide based on what you learn about him. He is often labeled as a conservative but like most things it isn’t as black and white as that. He has expressed support for left leaning ideas like universal healthcare, and wealth redistribution and been a critic of ideas like postmodern feminism, white privileg, trans rights, and environmentalism. His Wikipedia page does a good job of explaining his views and the controversies that surround his ideas.

Hope that helps.

Edit: Seems like there are some on here who would prefer OP was told what to think and enjoy living in an echo chamber. I personally hate him and think he has done a lot of harm to society, but I believe OP can come to that conclusion on their own with a small amount of research.