The Best Counter to Project 2025 Is a Progressive Project 2025
The Best Counter to Project 2025 Is a Progressive Project 2025
To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.
I think the best counter would be to get money out of politics. These groups and massively wealthy individuals only have power because many politicians will do anything to get that money.
Stop letting them buy influence. Make it hard to find a loophole. And actually punish people for violating campaign finance laws.
They'd win in a landslide if they brought forward a plan to make this happen... But they'd rather lose the election than lose their sugar daddy corporations.
Hillary in her campaign was focused on removing Citizens United.
After she lost, hasn't been brought back up again.
With the way they've packed the courts, there's virtually no chance of this happening any time soon.
How is bribery not a punishable thing at this level?
As a leftist, it absolutely boggles my mind how utterly naive and stupid other leftists and Democrats can be. No, you don't need more great policies - policies are not going to win you the election. We already have great policies.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about policy. You know what they are really good at though? Fucking voting!
As much as I know you will hate to hear this, the only thing that is going to prevent you from Republican fascism next year is to spread the word and vote against these idiots who are poised to win in 2024. Do whatever it takes to get the apathetic voters out of their goddamn chairs and vote blue in November.
I disagree. One thing I think Democrats have been missing has been a vision for the future. The closest we got was Obama's "Hope & Change" which didn't have any real meat to it. Having a clear set of policy goals that people can get excited about will drive voter turnout, thus beating the Republicans.
I see tons of people complaining that the Democrats don't have any policies except "We're not Republicans." That on its face should be good enough, but since it's not maybe doing something else would help. And don't just make it for 2025, but a permanent change. Like how the Republicans worked for decades to overturn Roe v. Wade.
I think that not having or discussing policies is a feature not a bug.
It started with the GOP and the DNC pick up on it. The idea being that if you don't talk about a policy then your opponent can't attack you for it. Instead every election cycle politicians talk in big generalities and no real substance because it's a safer strategy.
"As a leftists, I like non left policies".
That is intentionally misrepresenting what he said entirely. His point was that policies don't win elections. If they did, Republicans would basically not exist now.
Public image wins elections. Obama was only able to overcome American voters' racial biases and win 2008 because of his public speaking abilities and building his character over the course of the years beforehand. He also actually did pretty well as a president, at least significantly better than the presidents since Reagan imo, which definitely secured him the re-election regardless of his incredible charisma, but no amount of good policies in his previous campaigns could've made up for charisma.
Since Biden just dropped out, it's Kamala's job now to secure the election by improving her public image. She's already gotten on that to some extent by recently starting to emphasize how much she contributed to many of the key good policies throughout her Vice Presidency – it tells voters about what kinds of policies she supports, yes, but it's mainly a way to tell voters "hey, I've been here this entire time, I've implemented all this amazing stuff despite it never breaking the news, I'm competent and fit for the job"; the image of efficiency & competence is more important than the actual policies themselves.
A "leftie" Project 2025 counterpart would just make most voters immediately think dems (and Harris) as more divisive and even petty/retaliatory. It's stupid to think like that, yes, but voters are pretty irrational. This includes like at least 1/10 of the democrats' voterbase (and I'd wager probably a lot more in important swing states with a high suburban&rural population like Michigan) which is basically slightly conservative middle-class centrists who would prefer progressive policies (excluding some of the socially progressive ""identity politics"" as they call it) but are easily pushed into "collaborator" territory if they feel like dems start being too "radical", too "divisive", too "virtue signaling", etc. Such problems are inevitable when you brand yourself as "the party of compromise".
As much as I know you will hate to hear this, the only thing that is going to prevent you from Republican fascism next year is to spread the word and vote against these idiots who are poised to win in 2024. Do whatever it takes to get the apathetic voters out of their goddamn chairs and vote blue in November.
And never miss any election again - especially LOCAL elections, where your vote is likely a much larger fraction, and where the impacts are more likely to be clearly felt on your daily life. I actually get reasonably progressive democrats on the ballot here, and you probably do too. Go vote for them.
I didn't care about a progressive project 2025. I want guardrails that neuter project 2025 from being an effective project 2029.
Voters have very short memories and Cheeto Mussolini losing doesn't mean that this repugnant bullshit won't be enacted in the future.
We need federal court reform.
Protections for non appointed federal employees.
Protections for women's health.
Protections for voting rights.
Protections for religions (of and from).
And probably dozens of other things to make sure project 2025 doesn't become project 2029.
We cannot wait for the religious right to act before we respond. We have to respond now. They have shown us their hand and they think we are too weak to stop them. It is time we relegate their views and ideals to the trash heap in which they belong.
Could we also do something about not allowing propaganda to be called "news"? I realize that's dicey with the 1st amendment, but we've got some smart people that should be able to figure something out.
It used to be a thing but it only applied to over the air broadcasters. This would actually still be a good thing as most local stations would fall under this and many people trust their local more than cable news. It would hinder things like this
As much as it gets under my skin that people would rot their life away watching propaganda, at the end of the day it's their choice. Don't take peoples freedoms to consume content
Don't call it that.
Knowing how great democrats are at branding, they'll 100% call it that and nobody will be able to work out which is which after everyone's done muddying the waters.
Progressives are equally bad at branding and i fully expect downvotes for pointing this out.
Things like "fuckcars" and "antiwork" feed right into right-wing media.
I still think it's ridiculous that both candidates had a debate before they even worked out a manifesto/program. Like, I know in the US the campaigns aren't ever about policy, but they're not even trying to have that pretense.
Oh, they shouldn’t run another person from the Obama admin? That would make too much sense for them. Why build up younger members when we can just tell them they aren’t wanted?
Can we shorten it to PP2025? I feel like Progressive Project 2025 is kind of a mouthful.
Progress 2025 would be better than "peepee"
Do you work for the Democratic party? Because this sounds like something they would definately do. "Biden's PeePee2025 plan".
What would it take to implement even a part of the Nordic model social welfare here in the U.S.?
Not an economist, but I think it would take taxing corporations a fair share of the resources, human and otherwise, they enjoy.
So much wealth is misappropriated as undeserved CEO pay, and restructuring CEO pay even just a little to allow paying for greater corporate taxes will create enough revenue from taxes and implement social welfare for 100s of millions.
Housing support for families and individuals who need it, free healthcare for all, and free K-12 education for all should be a bare minimum. Moreover, if people are losing work and income due to AI, there needs to be retraining.
But why do all this? Why reduce suffering and misery? Less worry about money and health = happier lives = stronger bodies and minds = more resilient people = communities which can withstand shocks from natural or manmade disasters. In some way, having stronger communities ensures homeland security.
More than that, everything which supports the work of corporations relies on civilized society and the structure gained from civilization. These are the basics which are ignored in favor of shortsighted policy making benefiting only the greedy.
A plague wiping out rural populations but not urban.
The rural population folks are pawns being manipulated by the greedy uber rich. In fact, they’re deliberately kept destitute and sick so they can’t move to other states, and they're fed a constant stream of hate media to get them vote against their own interests. There’s no war but class war.
This man doesnt know that nordic countries also have rural communities
the best counter to fascism is socialism
Nah, extreme violence. That’s the best counter. Literally the only thing fascists understand.
socialists employed a bunch of it against fascism, yes
what everybody has been waiting for a very long time
just voting blue will not work and hasn't been working nor has just voting red
what everybody has been waiting for a very long time
They can make plans all they want. After the public option and BBB, it's clear that anything Democrats put forth is a bill of goods designed to be summarily jettisoned as soon as possible after the election.
Since the goal is inclusiveness, I propose Project 2025: Eclectic Boogaloo
Ah sifting through the ashes of GND and BBB, or FOCA for that matter...
From a German perspective, I don't understand why you always talk about this. You are giving them more attention than they deserve.
Seems like someone forgot their history.
WTF??
Let's talk about your history 8 years ago...
One big conclusion of your last Trump disaster was "Bad attention is attention, too.". That's how your orange endangerer (is this a word? I hope so... You get what I mean) won the 2016 election. Trump insults someone => News article, Trump plans to do something => New article, Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump
Just stop talking about this guy... Why do I even know about this project 2025 bullshit in Germany? Not from our media... Just because progressive people (you use the word liberals) post about it all the time.
The worst case for trump would be everyone ignoring him.
The best case for him is everyone talking about him. It does not even matter whether it's positive or negative... About the attempt to kill him, about his stupid project, about the wall, about his hookers, about the court hearings, etc. How many more Trumps does America need to understand this?
What will happen, like what's happened several times in the past, they have oppressive laundry lists like what's in project 2025 presented by Republicans to get the public disdain for such policy out of the way. The exact same thing is then taken up by Democrats several years later and voters see it as progress and fully support it.
The privatization of government has been occurring for decades now this is the exact same policy that's been presented year after year by different names. Obama called it hope and change, Trump called it draining the swamp, now it's called Project 2025. Despite its name, it's all the exact same thing.
So-called "progressive" politics is a piss-poor substitute for radical politics.
Which of the suggested policies in the article would you consider to be radical?
Don't entertain that troll, friend.
There are none.
Democrats would rather lose than embrace progressives.
Not just Democrats "centrists" in basically any western nation.
Just look at macron allying with the right so the leftists that just absolutely saved him and his party from being wiped out by RN, can't form a government.
They go for who turns out to vote. Which is, drumroll please, the center voter.
If you want them to go left, then vote for them. Show up. No one is going to court voters that never show up.
Embracing the right hasn't netted them anything and they keep doing it.
I vote every time. Don't lecture me for being unhappy just because you've got the genocide and border policy you want. Centrists blame the left they deliberately alienate for any losses, while courting Republicans who will never vote for them. They interpret any win as a mandate to move to the right.
Democrats abandoned the centrist voter decades ago, they dont need to solicit their votes because they will get them regardless what they do. They appeal to right of center, then after they get that they will abandon right of center. So they go further right to solicit those votes. Rince and repeat year after year. This is how the party went from people like Carter to people to the right of Reagan and Thatcher
They don't go to the center to find votes, they go to the center to find corporate donors. There's a difference.
If the left leaning voters choices are the centrist Democrats or the rightest republicans it's not too strange for them to not vote when no one really seems to represent their values. Although I think they definitely should cause the scales are tipping in the wrong direction, but it isn't their fault it's the Democrats who prefer a shaky status quo to actual leftist policy. If either party wants to drum up votes and actually pretend to be democratic they should put proportional representation as a goal for their next term. That way at least the oligarchachal tyranny of the minority could be repressed. Of course neither does cause republicans will lose and Democrats don't want to risk and actual leftist party overtaking them when Americans aren't forced into the 2 party system.
The best evidence is Bernie in 2020. Open field. Progressives didn't show up in enough numbers.
If Bernie wasn't left enough then what would be?