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6mo ago

BadEmpanada is mad Hasan went to the DNC, I guess.

Dude just loves riling himself up into a frenzy, doesn’t he? I guess he was mad that Hasan was going to interview Obama, which never even happened, and now he thinks Hasan is a “genocide supporter” because a random YouTube clip he came across that said “Hasan supports Kamala’s policies”, which he never even watched and was most likely just clipped. Hasan isn’t perfect, but fuck, you think at least him going to the DNC as a journalist would be considered fair from BE. Wild.

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Locking this post due to continued, excessive hostility.

we're never going to have an online radicalization pipeline
- all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that
  
  This is the reason I am in general fine with whatever Hasan's shenanigans are. Honestly my biggest reason that I do not hate his nepo-baby existence is because he is the anti-Vaush, whereas Vaush's pipeline is anarchist to natoist, Hasan's is clearly democrat to communist.
  It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences, but I will settle.
  
  Hasan functions as Chapo for people born after 9/11
  
  all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that
  Hasan repeatedly shutting down anti-"tankie" rhetoric is the source of this.
  Everyone that either silently allows that shit or vocally supports it funnels people back into the dems.
  Everyone that does not allow that shit funnels people into further radicalisation.
  It's that simple.

Hasan has lib moments but he's good on >90% of issues. He has a massive audience to which he spreads leftist ideas, like it's honestly so lucky that one of the biggest streamers on twitch is pro-China and singlehandedly normalizing Xi chad memes on the platform. He also reaches a lot of non-political people thanks to being friends with people like Ludwig, Valkyrae or pokimane, introducing them and their audiences to expressly political figures like Felix Biedermann and Brace Belden.
Good luck starting the revolution by hissing at everyone who doesn't already agree with you.
- Has Hasan ever been on The Deprogram or interacted with that group? That would be a great collab for pulling him and his audience further left.
  
  Yes! It’s actually their most watched YouTube upload.
  https://youtu.be/NBrC62rPoIw
  Also relevant clip: https://youtu.be/Qivd6BGT73o
  
  He watches Second Thought videos on stream a bunch.
  
  Pretty sure he has been yeah, also the Aussie boys

I once visited a bank, I'm now a capitalist.

- Mad at the one most prefer?
  Does he actually think hasan was praising dnc there?

Dialectical materialism is me wanting to shit on Hasan for being a sheepdog millionaire living in a mansion vs me wanting to shit on BadEmpanada for being a deranged sexpat gringo holed up in Argentina
- The only correct take in this entire thread.
  
  it's funny that you agree with me but came at me so hard

All streamers are deeply unserious people

Unless you’re just some dude in the Gobi desert who doesn’t even have internet, there is zero merit to being this absolutist

We need to stop purity testing and seeing if people are "good" and start seeing if people are useful instead. Hasan might be a bit cuddled up with libs(bad) and is a millionaire(owns a house) but he provides a useful service and pipeline for the left, making him useful. Norman Finkelstein is a transphobe(bad), but his analysis is invaluable and is tremendously useful to the left. I don't care if a person is good or moral. I care if they help the left. BE occasionally produces valuable content and I applaud him for that, but this is nonsensical, idealist, individualist drivel from him.

Greek man mad at Turkish man. News at 11.

I like Hasan for being a pipeline and I like bademp for being a poster.
- I dislike both of them but I fucking HATE bad empanada for acting like the most smartest leftest boy in the room all the time while being nothing more than a streamer just like Hasan. At least Hasan is honest about what he is.

I don't even disagree with BE on much (this is one of the things) but I just had to stop watching him because it made me so miserable. I don't think that man has ever had a positive thought, or if he ever has he certainly hasn't ever made it apparent. Just constant rage and hostility. Not to say it's unwarranted, ruthless criticism etc etc, but it does get incredibly exhausting and depressing to watch.
- Watching Hasan usually makes me feel better about negative events. If I stick to my own thoughts and whatever media and shitposting I see, I spiral into depression but Hasan seems to always give a good perspective where you can stay mad but not let it ruin your entire mood. IDK maybe he is just sexy and calms me down
- his anger is absolutely for the right reasons but he cares way too much about the wrong things and its exhausting how every day theres a new lefty hes ruthlessly (and usually rightfully) upset at. hes a smart guy for sure but dude is like the greek god of negativity
  
  If you only ever punch at other leftists you just end up doing fed shit.

Kill the streamer in your head

- Hasan is generally extremely treat-brained, and he isn't as harsh on liberalism or as supportive of AES as us. The difference in opinion is whether he serves the purpose of radicalizing liberals, or preventing further radicalization.
  I'm of the opinion that he generally works more for radicalization than against it.
- we can all agree hes cute and that obviously makes up for his flaws, right :thonk:
  
  not really into men but... honestly he's not bad. You got a point there
- IDGAF about Hasan
  
  I've been twitch-free for about four years and honestly? I feel so much better regarding my ability to focus.
- people can't criticize their parasocial friends
  
  You're the one in here going to bat for an aussie settler asshole who only ever punches left.
- Maybe it's just an artefact of the inherent tribalism in any active movement. I haven't really made up my mind fully on this, but it does seem more and more true that "in group" fighting over differences is more vitriolic than out group?
  
  In-group fighting can seem more intense because mutual understanding is assumed, vs outgroup. Marxists can laugh at liberals but tend to take other Marxists seriously enough to get upset, as an example
  
  Its not in group out group fighting its indovidualism. Individuals thinking they know the way and need to attack others for not thinking that way, instead of being systematic about pushing everybody forward.

I could really go for an empanada rn goddamn
- sorry, there are only bad empanadas. you will shit and piss yourself
- still thinking about those carmel apple empanadas they had at taco bell years ago
  
  This is not helping my hunger

- Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC
  Deeply unserious lol
  Like someone on here comparing PSL to trots.
  
  PSL does have a Trot genealogy, though is ML. Socialist Workers Party -> Workers World Party -> PSL. SWP was Trot. WWP were an OG tankie split and the origin of Marcyism, literally led by Marcy. They adopted more ML stances but didn't shed all Trotskyist thought. So many people handing out little papers and making unrealistic proclamations about what organized labor would do in the imperisl core. Then PSL split off of that over internal organizational disputes. PSL seems to have been on the right side of that and is obviously now even cooler and more ML, and explicitly so.
  But I do think see echoes of its Trotskyist parentage from time to time. For example, putting so much energy into electoral vanguardism, aping Bolshevik structures, and coming across as detached from the community when it comes to local work. To me, one of the more salient failures of Trots is in how they tend to aesthetically go through the motions of an idealized canon of What Trotsky Said To Do, which is often just what Lenin et al developed for their conditions, and generally fail to do the science of revolution. Much time spent self-congratulating, picking bad fights with others while repeating boilerplate lines, and then launching into the Next Big Thing that is Very Communist because leadership made A Great Speech. This does not describe PSL, but I do think you can see legacy bits of that kind of thinking pop up on occasion.
- We won't know what he was going to do with an interview with Obama now, unfortunately, but it would have been very telling.
  I have a degree of respect for journalists who curry favour to gain access in order to really press issues and do the actual job of (adversarial) journalism. There's a fine line to walk if you want to do this because it's extremely easy to get blacklisted, especially these days.
  I think one good example of being behind enemy lines like this for the sake of journalism is Abby Martin going to Israel to interview average Israelis on the streets to get them to indict themselves via vox pop. It would be uncharitable to denounce Martin for going to Israel and speaking with Israelis given what she went there for and what she achieved.
  Whether Hasan had intended a similar angle w/interviewing Obama or any other big figure in the Democratic Crime Syndicate idk but I think there's an argument to be made that simply rubbing shoulders with them does not necessarily mean that you are a Compradorpoints-esque figure.
  The other side of the argument is that he was allowing himself to be coopted and he was betraying his principles for cash and clout. This is where a conflict emerges between the more liberal-oriented model of the "objective" or politically-neutral journalist and the person who has an overtly political platform (but I don't really buy into that paradigm personally) however what Hasan was doing was the inverse; rather than starting from the place of journalistic inquiry and becoming politically partisan, he started from the place of political partisanship and was intending to pursue a journalistic endeavour. I think this makes the issue so much more complex because we are going to view his actions as politics-first, even if he is attempting to do something journalism-first, but to stand on ground for your political beliefs only to rescind them to start pursuing journalistic endeavours does give a strong impression of reneging on your politics.
  For me I absolutely cannot be fucked trawling through hours of streams in the lead up and the aftermath to glean some insight into what he had planned to do because he just isn't that important to me. So that leaves me feeling cautious about Hasan until I get some good info shedding light on this from a trustworthy source but I personally don't think that this alone is sufficient for me to consider him persona non grata as it stands.
- Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC where he spends some time critiquing Democratic policies but then spends every waking moment trying to get cozy with the Democratic party.
  AOC supports Kamala for president, Hasan does not. Before Kamala's speech, Hasan said "I'll wait and see" with respect to whether he supports Kamala, but now, he is very vocal about the fact that he does not support Kamala for president.
  Or maybe you meant Hasan is following in AOC's footsteps in some other way?
  
  Before Kamala's speech, Hasan said "I'll wait and see" with respect to whether he supports Kamala
  Oh so he was on the fence about genocide and if she said enough nice words he would support the genocidal party? This is why people on this site hate Hassan and his defenders, it makes you say dumb ass shit like this. He cozies up to the DNC, and you cozy up to him, and by association you are now making quasi-pro-genocidal arguments. Like your parasocial attachment has made you 35% more zionist.

Streamers aren't revolutionaries, at their absolute best they can serve as a piece of the pipeline to the left. It's good that Hasan's audience (the majority of whom are basically kids) is being exposed to consistent and principled anti-imperialism. I wish that didn't come with all the baggage of making his millions off of that same audience but I don't think its a net negative considering we live in a society etc etc.
That being said BadEmpanada is a drama-seeking childish weenie who contributes very little that other minor internet celebrities don't already do better and more consistently

I've said this before and I'll say it again: He's the Keemstar of leftist twitch/twitter/youtube. He basically latches onto whatever popular topic is being discussed and posts hot takes (which are sometimes good tbf) that are sure to get him views/clicks.

This stuff is so petty. Why can’t this person just spend more time doing important stuff, like organizing or something, instead of getting pissed off at someone on the internet. Seems like a colossal waste of time and energy.
- I remember him once saying something to the effect that first world socialist movements have absolutely no hope and if someone from the first world wants to make the world better they should move to Palestine/some other third world country and join Hamas/some other militant third world group. So that is probably why he is screaming at people online instead of organizing.

Whenever a post blows up like this you know it's some ultra-leftist being wrong in the comments and getting owned by several centrists-communists
- the communist center is when you watch Hasan Piker interview AOC and clap
  
  No need to clap, more like when you don't read too much into it at a time when Hasan is one of he most prominent voices in radicalizing young democrats. Can't argue that he's bad for the cause especially when all you do is post on the internet

- We live in pokemon. Whatever starter we use, pokemon will be involved. If someone makes money on gyms while helpfully radicalizing more people in the right direction, I see that as a good thing. It's definitely worked in the opposite direction to make team rocket, and there's no reason to give up those methods.

Yes, bad empinada's only emotion is rage. Just enjoy seeing it

I unironically love Empanada drama the guy is so scrappy. Ok so he misses sometimes but and it causes problems but it's also useful energy when he's not missing too.

Who?
- Imagine an Empanada. Flaky, delicioys, satisfying.
  But this one? It's bad. Ultra takes, bad at research, clout chasing with internet drama.
  
  when has he been bad at research tho

Remember when BE labeled himself a journalist? What happened to that?

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