1d ago

Dragon Rider banned from a bunch of communities

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Dragon Rider (drag) being banned from the following communities for sharing DMs:
!19684@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!transgender@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!main@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!trans@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!mtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!transmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Blahaj Lemmy Meta @lemmy.blahaj.zone

pewgar_seemsimandroid @lemmy.blahaj.zone

17h ago

Dragon Rider banned from a bunch of communities

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Why? “Sharing dms” what happened

clown down.
legit you cannot convince me this wasn't trolling, and the fact so many people haven't been able to tell, for so long, is deeply funny but also somewhat depressing. I blocked them almost as soon as I encountered them. It reeks of bait turned up to 11, like an edgy 16 year old just heard about the concept of making your own pronouns and went "ok how can I make this as stupid as humanly possible to fuck with people?".
- Yeah, it definitely felt like it, considering the amount of silly

Already said it in !main@lemmy.blahaj.zone but I'll say it again so others can see it here.
It seems drag was banned from the site for sharing people's DMs, though I'm sure that's not the whole story, drag has a history of being banned for way more than just the thing on the label. Looking at the comments on drag's home instance where it hasn't been removed, it seems drag was sharing those DMs in attempt to libel Ada for not taking the action drag wanted. That's on top of the fact that she did not give drag permission to share them. It's an asshole move for sure, and I have to say if I were in Ada's shoes I'd do the same.
- Ada was also already wary of drag after the respecting pronouns rule announcement, because a number of blahaj users rightfully pointed out drag is still likely a troll. Fluff around and find out basically.
  
  It ultimately isn't surprising. Drag has been very sus from the beginning, drag exhibited a lot of behaviors that made me leery. Though at the time I didn't say anything since it was only a hunch and most people were just voicing transphobic complaints about pronouns.
- I believe transparency is desirable and the single party consent rule in regards to private conversations should be the primary accepted doctrine here outside of any communique that is sexual/private and includes nudes and or personal data and could constitute doxxing.
  
  Single party consent, as I myself put my foot in yesterday, is by far not the norm.
  
  That's your opinion, but many people do not agree with you. I myself would be pissed if you shared our DM convo without asking me first, or even letting me know you were going to. I can see why Ada would and why she did what she did, it's disrespectful and adversarial.
- Drag didn't know Ada didn't message spujb. Drag was making it clear to spujb and anyone reading the thread that drag wasn't lying. Drag is sorry to Ada and won't do it again. Drag tried to tell her earlier today, but drag couldn't

Careful not to mythologize the characters of people who have just hurt others.
With 100+ comments already this is probably a message delivered too late, but if you are reading this be aware that comments here that digress away from simply keeping history into ogling and ridiculing serve only to feed the needs of a user who already has alt accounts drifting in as we speak.
- I'm really amazed how they don't try very hard to conceal their alts as alts. Change what they refer to themselves as in the third person, and everything else is exactly the same. Low effort.
  
  Drag can't control how drag's friends talk. If drag were writing their posts for them, drag would be a lot more careful. Unfortunately, drag doesn't use disguised alts, and drag's friends write their own comments themselves. And drag is friends with other queer neurodivergent people who have personalities and values similar to drag's.

Finally, the anti-trans troll falls out of favor.

That's an instance ban. Instance bans automatically issue community bans for local communities the user has been active in.
- Ada, drag is sorry for sharing the screenshots. Drag didn't think they were anything serious. Drag won't share any screenshots without permission again.

Of course when they ban him it’s not for being a transphobic piece of shit, but instead for sharing DMs. Sure, being a troll and using the trans community as a cudgel to harass people is fine, but sharing private communication? Well, that’s a step too far.
Blahaj is a joke.
- Don't forget flooding people's DMs with porn. Drag loves doing that too.
  
  I read that in their voice.
  
  Or creating hateful communities to personally harass and target you. It's already happened to me twice.
  
  Wow don’t share your DMs with us! Ban Snowpix for revealing the content of DMs.
  
  Hey, it's not sexual harassment, and you're transphobic for saying calling out his bad behavior! Also, he's just being quirky when he suggested people kill themselves!
  
  No drag doesn't. Drag has never done that.
- Well said.
- Please don't he/him drag.

Sharing DMs is a dick move.
- Strangers on the Internet don't owe you jack just because you send them a DM.
- Not if it is exposing admin/mod abuse.
  
  good thing it wasn’t (source: i was the third party recipient of those shared DMs; they were fully irrelevant to admin/mod action, abusive or otherwise)
- it absolutely is.
- Nah. It doesn't fucking matter.
- How so? On Lemmy, at least, they are absolutely not private. It is just a way for two users to communicate without cluttering up a thread or something. Not a way to communicate in secret.
  EDIT: Oh, I missed the joke. DM = Dick Move. Woosh
  
  It's private in the sense that the DMs were made between 2 people. They are public in the sense that the admins of the instance(s) can read the DMs. Just like admins of any server can read anything that's not encrypted at source.
- Not exactly something that requires top secret classification, yeah?
  
  since the text is too small to be readable, nobody can tell; but in any case, privacy matters regardless of the classification. If drag cared they could've asked Ada beforehand if it would be okay.
  But I guess courtesy is a one-way to drag.

Ironic considering how much flack blahaj got for defending that user.
- I think Blåhaj handled this person well over all. Even if Drag wad just 100% troll, drag wasn't being fed in Blåhaj and had to go elsewhere. But also there was always the chance that drag is just someone on a journey or with things to sort out. Some people have completely given up on being any gender and treat it like a joke in an almost nihilistic way. But clearly there's a line between that and an actual troll.
  Either way, I wouldn't say that it's standard heterosexual cisgender behaviour to go as far as Drag did just for the lulz. So maybe one of these days, Drag will have an awakening and remember how no one in the community either fed drag or shunned drag when drag was confused and behaving badly.
  
  DragonRider's pronouns are "Drag" not "they", just because someone is a dick doesn't mean you don't respect pronouns. Gender isn't a reward for good behavior.
  
  If Drag was trolling, the troll was exposing how shallow non-binary acceptance is for your average "progressive."
  "Not feeding the troll" in that case is treating their request with a minimal level of respect, and that was simply too much inconvenience for 90% of Lemmy.world and a very potent reminder of why trans and enby folks need their own spaces.
  Including some people in this thread with an axe to grind and no self awareness to stop it.
  
  But also there was always the chance that they’re just someone on a journey or with things to sort out.
  I can agree with this, but the part that's missing is that sometimes what someone needs to hear on their journey is "My person you are OUT OF YOUR MIND right now, please come back to your fucking senses and knock this shit off because we care about you."
  
  I personally don’t think they were a troll but I am also not sure I agree with banning people for not remembering or wanting to use their unusual pronouns.
  But I am not well-educated on the topic of neopronouns so if someone feels like educating me or suggesting some readings I am open to it.
  
  Drag is just someone with an unusual gender, bot has no qualms with that. Perhaps you should use Tumblr if you wanna see more people with out-there gender identities, the trans Tumblr community is part of the reason bot still uses that site
- Can you fill in the backstory? I missed this incident or possibly multiple incidents.
  
  Blahaj said you have to respect everyone's pronouns, even if you think they are trolling, because it's not up for debate and you don't get to set conditions before you start calling someone by the right appelations. Fair enough.
  A user figured out that meant they could identify as a dragon, tell everyone their pronouns were "drag," and get people banned from blahaj for not saying "drag," or trying to tell this person that drag weren't actually a dragon. Blahaj, in the mode of overly well-intentioned leftists throughout all history, bought into it hard and obediently virtue-signaled by banning anyone who pointed out that drag was taking the piss. Presumably, drag laughed dragself out of dragr chair every time it happened. Drag also tended to display other fun behavior like encouraging other users to commit suicide, if I remember right.
  Apparently, blahaj has finally figured it out. I eagerly await whatever overcorrection or other type of continuingly-counterproductive drama is going to ensue now. Presumably, some new user will emerge with some other type of bizarre edge case in the "official correct morality" that everyone is required to agree on, to instigate everyone to get into slap fights over.
  
  I can’t remember the exact details but I believe at least a few people were banned for suggesting that drag was a troll and refusing to use their preferred neopronouns.

Why is that troll not banned from ALL of lemmy? I don’t get it.
Oh, and for the record; this post and all the comments in it including mine- are exactly why they do what they do.
They feed on the drama. Ban them, and this ends.
- That's effectively impossible as a part of the nature of the fediverse. You could try banning alts on site but it's really not that hard to have a dozen alts waiting across host of instances.
  
  And when those alts call themselves “drag” what do you think will happen?

Image description for my fellow Brits:
Dragon Rider (drag) being banned from the following communities for sharing DMs:
!19684@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!transgender@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!main@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!trans@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!mtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!transmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone
- Do you think it would be helpful if I added this to the description?
  
  Maybe, I wrote this because lemmy.zip geoblocks the UK so I had to use my VPN to see the image.
- I can see it, has the image moved?
  
  Demigodrick (zip admin) reached out on matrix to say they were adding pictrs to their geoblock bypass, so now pictures from zip are viewable from the UK.

I blocked them a long time ago

well, we have a saying in Germany:
"Tja..."

Getting banned from Blahaj.Zone is easy. Just disagree with the admin on anything.
- If by disagree you mean intentionally misgender people then yes

If they follow the rules, they are always welcome in Casual Conversation.
I do not understand the same reasons to judge them that everyone else seems to. They have never seemed antagonistic.
- According to “drag,” you’ve already misgendered them four times. They’d report you for this.
  
  They and I had a talk about that. I asked what their neo-pronouns would be if they followed the three basic courtesy rules, and they responded saying I could stick to they/them. They and anyone else are free to correct me if I relapse into he/him.
  
  That's really weird, because this is what Leni's comment looks like on drag's screen:
- There are/were some instances of harassment with multiple accounts from them IIRC
  
  How would anyone know it's them?
- That user would correct your use of they and them to drag btw.
  
  They gave me permission to use they/them.

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Careful not to mythologize the characters of people who have just hurt others.