[CW: doomerism, possible violence] So what happens now?
[CW: doomerism, possible violence] So what happens now?
With trump being guaranteed to win the 2024 election and it also being likely that the state will be much more violent, what do you think is going to happen in the US over the next few years?
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US goes through the same changes that Ukraine went through post-2014. Education and media is revamped to pump out ultranationalist belief, after 8-12 years the kids that are ten years old today will form the footsoldiers of new fascism that will be used in ww3. This conveniently lines up with all the estimates of when conflict with china would occur from US military people.
Surrounding these major goals lots of minor goals will also occur legislatively to make things a more patriarchal and ultranationalist (more so than it already is) society.
no fuckin way the usa is able to do anything with that much consistency and competence
Most of it can be achieved just by making things they don't like illegal.
Same as it ever was, yall had the off ramp in 2016 and 2020 with Bernie and the big elites that actually control politics didn't bite because it wouldve affected quarterly earnings. There will be no negotiated surrender, no deal like the UK had when it gave up its Empire in exchange for the NHS and a decent standard of living - not like that lasts forever either I guess. The best thing that could've been done is a managed decline and coordinated hand-off to China like the UK and US post WW2.
Well, absent revolution lol. The best thing while maintaining capitalism and a high standard of living would've been that.
US goes through the same changes that Ukraine went through post-2014. Education and media is revamped to pump out ultranationalist belief, after 8-12 years the kids that are ten years old today will form the footsoldiers of new fascism that will be used in ww3. This conveniently lines up with all the estimates of when conflict with china would occur from US military people.
How will this work with the younger generations being majority non-white? It's not like the abortion restrictions are going to change this either - white people will continue to have abortions in blue states, nonwhite people will be forced to give birth.
Ukrainians and Russians are fundamentally the same people and their differences are an invention.
Do enough racism and you can get coloured americans hating Chinese and Russians and basically any of america's enemies enough to be youth fascists. Just scramble their brains. They are good, legal, american citizens. Not like those communist chiiiinese or dirty russian orcs.
How do they stop white USians from ruining the racial solidarity of the US? Even if uniting USians against the Chinese is technically possible, they still end up with the problem of internal racial contradictions as weak points in their racial coalition i.e. the inability to build a racial coalition against Vietnam "No Viet Cong Ever Called Me N*****"
The Vietnamese were never a threat to american lifestyles. If you can convince a Brit that the Polish or Romanian migrant affects is responsible for their living conditions deteriorating you can convince a black american that the Chinese are responsible for their living conditions and a material threat to their entire existence.
Double down ideologically on capitalism-good and communism-bad while you're at it and make it an existential battle between good and evil. Throw some religious elements into schools too.
You can definitely do it if you make the counter narrative to this illegal enough. The rest can be achieved with beatings and terror.
The racial contradictions within the US mean superprofits are not redistributed to everyone. There's whites and everyone else.
I think the only way to create a unified "American" race is if the benefits of whiteness are extended beyond white people.
And that's going to require a conscious project from the ruling class.
They don't have the time for that. I'm convinced that they will work faster with the intent of war within 10-15 from now. They will just aim to prep as many of the next school generation for it as possible. Maybe they don't aim for racial unity, maybe they do muiltiple different approaches, one thing in the white parts of the country and another in the black parts of the country and another in the hispanic and latinx parts of the country.
I suspect they lean in on pushing christianity really hard too.
I think if they do a blitz to promote colorismo over whiteness as the new racial situation they could maybe do it in ten years. It's already an extant expression of racial sentiment and dominates the rest of the Americas, the US and Canada are just outliers that have preserved whiteness in its previous incarnation. It's doable. It won't be easy, though.
Where does China and Russia fit into this? Just have the colorismo spectrum be a black/brown/white spectrum and put the slavs and the chinese outside of it entirely as some variant of yellows/asiatics?
I was more concerned with uniting the multiracial population of the US, actually leveraging racial sentiments against Asia would probably have to b its own project and is maybe unnecessary. Nativism might be enough if colorismo can topple white supremacy.
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They support them as "one of the good ones" but they aren't being welcomed into whiteness.
Yet.
If Trump rides a red wave into power and sweeps those anti-woke nonwhite candidates into positions of power it would do a lot to create the colorismo necessary to weaken the contradictions of whiteness. That's what it'll take - people in power consciously choosing to promote colorismo over whiteness and realign the racial hierarchy in the US. It can be done. It's not simple.
How will this work with the younger generations being majority non-white
In the US for the local primary, I did a lot of canvasing and 'illegal immigrants are sucking up all the money' is a belief held not just by white Anglos. A significant number of black people and even some Latin people expressed this belief. This is anecdotal of course, but there's a trend toward cross-racial 'nativism' and xenophobia that's growing.
I think a multiracial coalition can be built but it'd be quite difficult to overcome white supremacy as the dominant racial ideology. I've said elsewhere that I think a consciously constructed colorismo could do it, but it can't just be left to grow naturally on its own to have enough time to get this off the ground before the confrontation with China goes hot.
They're gunna' be like 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th generation non-Americans and probably have interracial parents or grandparents that's gunna' give them light-enough skin to pretend to be white or white-adjacent. Imperial core is super-good at making imperial subjects and the imperial core lifestyle seem appealing to them.
I could see colorismo being imported from Latin American countries, but it'll probably need to be a conscious imperial project.
I don’t think it needs to conscious at all. People’s zip codes being passed on, while occasionally being acquired by minorities, will be enough for the colorism to organically grow.
In ten years? I don't think so - I think it will take a light skinned white supremacist as President or something.
I'll go on a limb here and say the year is 2026 and Trump is using Xi's meeting with Biden, all in plain daylight in Communist California as proof of his collusion and selling out to China.
Sucks to suck, absolutely nobody could've seen this coming lol.