[CW: doomerism, possible violence] So what happens now?
With trump being guaranteed to win the 2024 election and it also being likely that the state will be much more violent, what do you think is going to happen in the US over the next few years?
US goes through the same changes that Ukraine went through post-2014. Education and media is revamped to pump out ultranationalist belief, after 8-12 years the kids that are ten years old today will form the footsoldiers of new fascism that will be used in ww3. This conveniently lines up with all the estimates of when conflict with china would occur from US military people.
Surrounding these major goals lots of minor goals will also occur legislatively to make things a more patriarchal and ultranationalist (more so than it already is) society.
Same as it ever was, yall had the off ramp in 2016 and 2020 with Bernie and the big elites that actually control politics didn't bite because it wouldve affected quarterly earnings. There will be no negotiated surrender, no deal like the UK had when it gave up its Empire in exchange for the NHS and a decent standard of living - not like that lasts forever either I guess. The best thing that could've been done is a managed decline and coordinated hand-off to China like the UK and US post WW2.
Well, absent revolution lol. The best thing while maintaining capitalism and a high standard of living would've been that.
US goes through the same changes that Ukraine went through post-2014. Education and media is revamped to pump out ultranationalist belief, after 8-12 years the kids that are ten years old today will form the footsoldiers of new fascism that will be used in ww3. This conveniently lines up with all the estimates of when conflict with china would occur from US military people.
How will this work with the younger generations being majority non-white? It's not like the abortion restrictions are going to change this either - white people will continue to have abortions in blue states, nonwhite people will be forced to give birth.
Ukrainians and Russians are fundamentally the same people and their differences are an invention.
Do enough racism and you can get coloured americans hating Chinese and Russians and basically any of america's enemies enough to be youth fascists. Just scramble their brains. They are good, legal, american citizens. Not like those communist chiiiinese or dirty russian orcs.
How will this work with the younger generations being majority non-white
In the US for the local primary, I did a lot of canvasing and 'illegal immigrants are sucking up all the money' is a belief held not just by white Anglos. A significant number of black people and even some Latin people expressed this belief. This is anecdotal of course, but there's a trend toward cross-racial 'nativism' and xenophobia that's growing.
They're gunna' be like 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th generation non-Americans and probably have interracial parents or grandparents that's gunna' give them light-enough skin to pretend to be white or white-adjacent. Imperial core is super-good at making imperial subjects and the imperial core lifestyle seem appealing to them.
I'll go on a limb here and say the year is 2026 and Trump is using Xi's meeting with Biden, all in plain daylight in Communist California as proof of his collusion and selling out to China.
Sucks to suck, absolutely nobody could've seen this coming lol.
More officially sanctioned and unofficially sancted violence against whoever the cops/chuds don't like. The democrats helped set up the police state they're about to hand off to Trump.
I have been assuming the search for scapegoats will intensify as the far right becomes the guarantor of capital amidst the unfolding climate crisis. We have to remember that it's happening right now way faster than predicted. Climate refugees will be the most reviled scapegoats here and I wonder to what extent they will chip away at the rights of queer people during this time. Will they pass Russian gay laws in all of America, given how decentralized it is again becoming?
Women, LGTBQ people get their rights stepped on in red states. Libs will wring their hands and/or victim-blame. Homeless people will get their rights stepped on everywhere.
Some right-wing hate group will attempt to hold a rally in a major liberal city (maybe with national backing if we live in the spicy timeline, but the results will be the same), and run away because the protesters are scary. It won't be repeated and everyone will pretend it never happened.
US foreign policy will remain as omnicidal as always.
Controversial take: I don't think this changed much. Trump was probably gonna win anyway, I actually don't think this improves his chances that much. Most CHUDs are lazy and easily distracted, they'll forget about this in a week, they're already winning why risk their hides going out into the streets to smash shit up. If Trump wins things will get worse but probably in a much slower, less dramatic way than most imagine.
Also I gotta say, before this everyone here was talking about how the threat of Project 2025 was overblown, how things will be almost/just as bad under Biden. Now Trump survives an incompetent assassination attempt and everyone is suddenly with the Libs about Trump being Hitler 2.0? Idk guys sounds like some of y'all are getting cold feet on anti-electoralism and are now contemplating voting for genocide Joe to keep Trump out. Which hey, if you're genuinely scared, by all means vote, just be honest about changing your tune here.
Yeah, the instant panic from all corners is pretty wild to see. It makes Trump more likely to win, his potential presidency was already going to be bad and it still will be. Not sure why people are saying that this is the thing that will usher in fascism. The fascism is already here and you're already living under it. If you're waiting for some big break or warning sign there won't be one because it's already here. Not saying you can't worry about the bad shit that is going to happen under Trump, but people saying that this is the Reichstag Fire need to get a grip
To add to this, the reason American fascism doesn't seem quite as dramatically and aggressively oppressive domestically is because it doesn't really have any meaningful domestic opposition. There is no radical left, not a well organized one anyway. There no real material need to have Browncoats and Gestapo driving around in black vans right.
The right is hopped up on culture war shit, because that's all they got. Not saying that can't result in actual repression against LGBTQ, but I doubt it's going to be as dramatic and sudden as a Night or Broken Glass situation, more just a slow roll back of rights. Trump will likely just be a slightly worse than usual republicans president. Which is still bad, and if you want to vote to keep that out of office go right ahead. But let's be honest about the reality on the ground here.
I live in Florida. My vote doesn't matter here anyways, so I'm just going to cast a protest vote for whatever leftish third party there is to get the catharsis of flipping off the Democrats, though they're still largely unaffected and will keep failing upward.
Still, at the same time, I guess my knowledge of this country's history makes me scared of reactionary mob violence during periods of instability. I mean, I do live in a part of the country where that was more common place a century ago. And also, as unlikely as it is, this state also has a record of active discrimination against queer people in public employment. I guess when I gaze at the past for examples, I find some scenarios that are less likely given present differing conditions.
I hear you but, two things, one I think any instability that's coming is coming regardless of the fact someone took a pot shit at Trump. Even if he looses there's probably bad stuff on the horizon.
Two, I do stand by my point I don't think the right has many great targets for their mob violence right now. There are no socialist clubs, union halls or civil rights churches to burn. There's not left to threaten them. The right has anti-queer rhetoric but most queer gathering places are in liberal enclaves where the right has little on the ground power. Hence why I think most of the rights anti-queer stuff is going to be boring legal crap, still awful but not as dramatic a Night of Broken Glass situation. There'll be isolated lone wolf acts but I doubt they'll be a major purge.
Not to be a gigalib, but I hope to finally take the plunge and GTFO this country. I can't take it here anymore.
No jobs, no housing, everything is a luxury, garbage-tier culture, everything is ugly, every product we buy is toxic. I cannot in good conscious start a family and raise a child in this country, let alone live in it myself in good conscience.
If you are concerned, I recommend you register as a Republican as a bare minimum. If you’re doxed or someone tries to compile a list, they might be lenient. You gotta remember that a lot of minorities are also Republicans, so they likely won’t target you if they know you’re nominally on their team.
Of course it’s irrelevant if they make an impromptu choice to assault you on the street for bigoted reasons, but if you’re a visibly straight, white person, not too many downsides. Maybe unless you vote locally and now you’re stuck with just republican candidates.
This was my exact thought process. Someone is going to make a list and try to pull a donor list from democrats in Congress who are already too spineless to stand up to Biden.
I was legitimately thinking about donating to Trump's campaign or even take a picture of my mailed ballot showing I voted for him. Just to buy time.
The key is to do everything possible to keep the target off your back to get in a better situation. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
We have the blackest shirts, people.
Beautifully beautifully black.
Amish Kapoor looked at our shirts and went wow that's really black.
That's how black they are.
Trump was probably going to win against Biden anyways.
Project 2025 is pretty much just boilerplate Republican/Conservative projects from the last 40+ years. It sounds scary but its not anything new or less scary than everything else.
I'm about 55/45, thinking Biden doesn't drop out and isn't forced out of the Dem party primary.
Biden/Dems are going to pretty much water down any negative Trump campaign ad, assuming they even run anti-Trump ads up to the primary.
Curious to see how often Trump mentions the failed attempt in speeches. Will he talk about it all the time and start to irritate his supporters? Will he stop talking about it after a week for fear of encouraging copycats or out of fear of telegraphing how shaken up he actually is about how close he came to death?
75% certain the media is going to spend the next several months talking about this over Biden though.
- first folks, I'd like to say I'm very thankful that I am able to speak to you all today after some very bad, very very bad evil socialist man tried to send me to God too early. Can you believe that! But you know folks, he always has a plan, look at me still here, barely a scratch, can you believe that folks. I've got very important people in very high places, places that are exclusive and hard to get into, like a place I might not even get into. That's what they call a joke folks, that's just what these deranged wokies and 'liberals' think about me but little do they know how projection works. Projection that's a term that I just learned folks, do you all know about it? It means to take your feelings and insecurities and attach them to someone or something else regardless of it's basis in reality. Isn't that just crazy folks. But can't you believe it folks, some liberal had the gall to try and take me out. Thankfully not only was He points and squints as he looks directly into the sun watching over me, but so were my strong, muscular, hawk eyed soldiers. My people, like I've already said, very high places, tippy top, are looking into what happened and who this man was and who was affiliated with. They told me several times but for the life of me can't figure out what witch furries have anything to do with my failed assassination, but my team, who I assume are very smart people, assures me that there's lots of haters and losers on that website that want nothing more but for me to fail. They were also trying to be overly helpful, saying 'let me, let me' but I was trying to have them help me by giving me answers for more leads. So I can't say for certain if all of my team has my best interests at heart. But I know my true Patriots will protect me at all costs like those brave brave men and women who were there to protect me folks.
Someone else take over the bit or do their own rendition, I need to smoke my celebratory/doomerist blunt