7mo ago

It seems like the logical way to work

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I miss the days when my much slower internet connection let me download entire videos faster than streaming to watch them with less buffering and fewer glitches. Now that I have a rock solid gigabit fiber connection with single digit latency, how is watching video such a bad experience?
- Because of all the telemetry and ads loading in the background.
- No matter how fast your connection is, a 30s ad takes half a minute to play.
  
  The frustrating thing is that when I do see ads, the ad itself plays in higher resolution, and plays more smoothly than the video I'm trying to watch.
  
  Different CDN with better allocation of resource and location than the CDN for the content you’re watching.
  Makes sense, the ad people are the real customers vs your attention the product.
  
  Years ago I had the free version of Hulu that came with ads (it used to have the free ad tier, and the paid-for-no-ads tier). Hulu did the dynamically scaling resolution to match your connection thing, which was mostly good for me since I didn't have great internet and I'll take smooth playing 720p over constant buffering. I don't know if the ads scaled or were naturally at a reasonably low resolution, but I never had a problem with them playing through
  One day though, something changed. Suddenly ads were coming in only in the highest resolution supported by Hulu at the time. Thanks to my terribly slow internet, this meant horrible buffering. Combined with ads being louder than programs, a 30 second ad turned into a multi-minute experience of a few frames at a time screeching at me before buffering again.
  I didn't keep Hulu long after that.
- If you watched it in 320p like the old days then it might be faster?
  
  But 360p today looks far worse than 360p back then. Not only have bitrate etc. been reduced, older videos have also been re-encoded multiple times.
  
  It's pretty wild. I have recently been ripping my DVD/Blu-ray collection and encoding them from a clean rip to my server. Encoding at 480p is perfectly acceptable if you're starting with a high enough bitrate source. You can tell it's 480p, but its so much better than Netflix's absolute trash streams that will give you "UHD" at bitrates lower than a DVD. 360p does leave something to be desired, but they're still perfectly watchable.
  There are certainly shows and movies that deserve higher definition, but I've found that unless they're from the ground up meant to be purely visually masterpieces, it's better to have lower resolution and a matching bitrate than to ruin the experience with artifacts.
- Internet providers have more or less been given permission to throttle and be selective all they want, due to the Supreme courts recent rulings. Before that, they at least tried to hide it.
  Run your stuff through a good vpn and you might d8scover all of your problems disappear. It sure as heck does on t-mobile.
  
  Why does tmobile not throttle your traffic when it's running through a VPN as well?
  
  Most providers will just try to control specific sites to save on bandwidth. If they did it to all sites then they couldn't claim they have X speed. They'll even try to give extra bandwidth if you go to well known speed testing websites.
  When going through a vpn, they don't know what websites and data your requesting, so it's outside their parameters they have set up to throttle.
- Network engineer here. There's a lot of reasons your network might not work well. None malicious.
  You're watching it in high def on a slow connection. Try going back to the "good old days"of 360p and see if it's fast.
  Your network may be bottlenecked somewhere. Try using speedtest (search for it) and see if you're getting slow connection quality.
  You may be getting packet loss. Using the ping command, try running it indefinitely for a little while (windows key+r, cmd, "ping 8.8.8.8 -t") see if there are blips of failures.
  Remember! Never ascribe to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. Your isp, Google, and yes, even Microsoft, don't want you to have a bad experience using your computer. Lots of people with 0 networking knowledge but a bone to pick with the system will give you unhelpful advice.
  
  Oh no, I attribute it all to cheap/lazy streaming providers and excessive tracking/ads. I’ve always had well above the bandwidth required and speed tests bear that out
  However if the streamer is overloaded or being careful not to send bits faster than it deems necessary, it doesn’t matter how good my network is.
  
  Tracking is actually incredibly tiny bandwidth-wise. Like, fractions of a fraction of your bandwidth. Adserv is also very tiny due to modern edge server infrastructure. Ads are static content. It's already cached and likely within the same city as you. That's part of why ads tend to play perfectly and fast while the content can be slow. On the other hand, that obscure 200 sub guy ranting about why the square-headed screws inability to catch on is a giant American conspiracy to keep Canada from commercial dominance is almost certainly not locally cached. It has to come from Google's video content servers way out in silicon valley.
  
  Network engineer here
  slow connection quality
  engineer here
  running it indefinitely for a little while
  engineer here
  Never ascribe to malice what can be attributed
  engineer here
  
  Yeah, I'm not writing a network policy nor did I say I was an English teacher.
  Could I have made everything perfect? Yes
  Does it matter? No
  If anything about what I said was unclear to you, I can clarify. My job is about network engineering, not pleasing English elitists online.
- I'm sure the practice of net neutrality helped back then. Sure net neutrality is the rule again, but that doesn't mean everyone instantly started following the rule.
- I feel like a lot might have to do with shitty hardware in smart TVs, but idk if you use a smart TV.
  
  Generally not. Nowadays it’s difficult to avoid a smart tv, but that doesn’t mean you need to use that functionality …. I am now, mostly because my firestick is getting shittier plus doesn’t have an Apple TV app. However I mostly watch streaming video on tablet

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