If I understand correctly, the only way to access the playtest is by getting an invite through Steam from someone who already has access.

So, simple question. Will someone be so kind to invite me?

Maybe we can turn this thread into a general thread for requests like mine. I am sure there are many folks out there who would like to play.

is there a site for patch notes?

Just played a match with Bebop and I felt very limited by my powerset. It was great at first, me and my lane buddy were dominating the game. Most pushes, most kills, most souls. But once the game got to the teamfight phase, it all fell apart. The enemies stayed as far from me as they could, and I couldn't get enough burst damage in with my hook before they ran away, and they usually had better move speed than me. It felt like my only good ability at that point was the hyper beam. And sure, I was surprisingly survivable in 1v1s, and the hyper beam could really help a push, but any time the hyper beam was on cooldown I felt like I could do nothing unless I caught an enemy alone.

How do y'all play bebop in the midgame? Are there any upgrades that make up for bebop's weaknesses? I followed the suggested build up until I started getting my ass kicked, then switched to lifesteal. Lady Gheist and Shiv were the biggest pains in my butt.

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Doesnt have to be urgent do it at your convenience.

To make it convenient someone can dm me their friend code and ill send a request and a msg to remind them to invite me to beta whenever they get the chance.

I would greatly appreciate it!

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The heroes all have what seem to be complete voicelines, the voices of some characters sound very familiar to me.

Are there any you've recognised? Let's see if we can figure out who everyone is voiced by.

Shared on Discord. Looks great!

Out of every 10 games I play, maybe one of them is a close, even game where everyone is on roughly the same skill level - and that's probably me being generous.

Almost every game has people on either team not just losing their lane but going something like 0-17. I know it's early alpha and has had a huge influx of players recently so maybe it's to be expected to some extent, but even back in my Dota days matchmaking was never this bad. This is like, public WC3 Dota 1 lobbies level.

How are you guys finding it? Anyone break through the MMR barrier into a point where you're getting consistently good games? How long did it take, and what MMR? (you can check here

From remanedur on Discord

The game features a wide array of items for you to buy as a match progresses, and the options for builds are vast.

Have you found a go-to or two that you like to get, almost no matter what character you're playing?

For those that can't access the forums:

[ General Changes ]

• Added a new Profile page that displays a breakdown of recent matches and all-time player and hero statistics (Note: the newly added stats 'Souls Collected' and 'Healing' are starting at 0 for all players)

• Added Report button to ESC menu player list to allow reporting of teammates in-game

• Improved visibility of report button on post-game screen

• You can now drag-and-drop items between categories in Builds

• Added search to the Public Builds list, you can search by keyword within build names

• Newly published hero builds now store the language of the build

• Added 'Show All Languages' checkbox in Public Builds list, can be unchecked to only see builds in your language

• Fixed issue with builds list not updating when changing between heroes in sandbox

• Added localization support for German, Polish, and Korean.

• Matchmaking window is now open 1 hour earlier on weekdays and weekends

• Players can only pause once per game

• A team can only pause at most 3 times in total amongst all the players

• The game application now flashes when the game is unpaused

• Various client and server performance improvements

• Added streamer setting to the options panel. Causes player names in the game UI panels to be hidden.

• Added a Melee Trainer bot in the 'gym' area of hero sandbox

• Added new "Game out of Date" status message at the top of the hud, so you can quickly know when there is an update rather than finding out at queue time

• Added a checkbox on the post game survey to make it not show again in the future

• Items now show their spirit power impact when using alt

• Fixed profile match history not remembering the history page you were on

• Added Heal Amp and Debuff Resist to the Vitality stats in the shop

• Hero details on the dashboard now show spirit information with alt, rather than requiring you to be in-game (this was added in a hotfix patch recently)

• The game will now prevent any quick ability upgrades for 2 seconds after death, to help prevent against accidental upgrades

• Can now reliably spectate a friend's game via the Friendlist

• Miscellaneous fixes to friends and party menus

• Added unavailable state to Zipline UI when zipline is on damage cooldown

• Spectating controls now use Left/Right mouse buttons to switch between players on a team and space to switch teams. This now works with free cursor mode, and you can still click on portraits/minimap to spectate individual heroes.

• Added new respawn countdown music 5 seconds before respawn

• Added alternate shop music which plays in the neutral shop

• Spectator count is now shown in-game

• Player names are now shown to spectators

• Added object motion blur

• Optimized performance of distance field ambient occlusion

• Fixed selling an item not removing charges correctly. Now you can't buy Extra Charge and immediately sell it and keep that readied charge.

• Fixed some tooltips not showing golden statue bonuses if it wasn't the direct stat (i.e. you got fire rate but bullets per second didn't show the golden statue)

• Fixed Sharpshooter showing up in stats for bullet velocity even though it doesn't increase your bullet velocity

• Fixed a bug that caused items in the build page to not be dimmed when the shop was out of range

• Fixed bug with Lash not hearing his own Ground Strike impact explosion sound

• Added new effects for Withering Whip

• Updated Ethereal Shift effects

• Fixed the disarmed spinner not showing up on your crosshair when you get disarmed

• Fixed parts of Shiv's coat being considered a headshot

• Build list will now refresh if you change heroes in the sandbox

• Fixed Zipline speed from Base Guardian killing and Zip booster ability not stacking properly

• Fixed Base Guardian boost not properly doing its ramp up and instead instantly being fast

• Added custom effects for Abram's Seismic Impact T3 buff

• Fixed a bug where someone could be holding down M1 and still be attacking when the magic carpet arrives

• Updated Lash Grapple cast sound

• Added Decay impact sound

• Removed wind and city ambient looping sounds

• Volume and playback tweaks to one shot ambient sounds

• Removed vent sounds in places where vents had been removed

• Fixed some spectator music bugs

• Updated negative feedback sound for clarity

• Added hit confirm audio functionality to Warden's Alchemical Flask

• Updated Majestic Leap sound

• Updated bounce pad sound

• Improved some Binding Word effects to be less noisy

• Increased charged melee volume and falloff for victims

• Reduced likelihood of irrelevant announcer and hero dialog lines playing during combat exchanges

• Improved clarity of Dynamo Singularity sound for team and opponents

• Updated Viscous primary fire sound

• Soul jar return effect tinted red like minimap to make it more clear it's the return location

• Player's low health screen effect more visible for longer if you're below 20% of your max HP

• Teleporter model and effect updated

• Updated Alchemical Flask projectile effect

• Fixed Bebop being able to sprint while his gun is spun up

• Added new voice content for Seven and Lash

• Added Shadow Weave cast and ambush sounds

• Fixed bullets hitting the world immediately when looking sharply upward

• Fixed Sinner's Sacrifice not always correctly animating

• Fixed an issue where some kill lines that were only intended for the killer were playing for the victim as well (killstreak taunts still play for everyone)

• Some heroes can now comment on being alone in enemy territory, losing sight of an injured enemy, or leaving their teammates alone in a lane

• Fixed a bunch of minor typos / grammar errors in various texts

• Added 'Express' state to zipline indicators when speed had increased from defeating Enemy Base Guardians

[ Misc Gameplay ]

• Added wall jumping (does not consume stamina, requires input direction away from the wall, can be done once)

• Moved a flex slot from "Set of enemy Base Guardians" to "All Enemy Lane Guardians"

• Added ropes to some buildings to let you climb up (hold jump key to latch onto them). Can shoot while hanging on them.

• A pair of teleporters has been added to the outer lanes at the midpoint (near the three red neutral creeps)

• Four teleporters have changed locations

• The upper floor teleporters have moved to the street level

• The interior teleporters have moved to the Bodega building and the Theater

• Teleporters are closed for the first 10 minutes (they look visually closed)

• Guardians no longer give 1 AP

• AP is now added to the following Soul levels: 3500, 5200, 8000, 9700

• Parry cooldown reduced from 6s to 5s

• Urn delivery sprint bonus increased from +2 to +3

• The minimum range the player must be to attack a walker is increased from 30m to 32m

• Golden Statues drop rate increased by 6%

• Replaced some bounce pads with ropes if the purpose was to go straight up

• Added two bounce pads next to sidelane walkers at cultural center and courthouse

• Added bounce pad from the Amber Orange/Sapphire Blue Walker walkway to the low roofs toward the Walker.

• Removed some rooftop zap volumes that damage players

• Several buildings have been made taller to make their rooftops out of bounds

• Several buildings have been made shorter to make them more accessible

• A few of the buildings have new passageways at higher floors that are along the way to the rooftop

• Breakable containers have been added to the new playable rooftops

• Juke closets have replaced the previous location of the upper floor teleporters

• The half of the underground tunnel towards the outer lanes has been made wider

• Tunnel walls now have the color of the lane that the exit is closest to

• Removed the archway leading to the underground shop

• Placed temporary signage for interior buildings and storefronts for future reference

• Two upper floor juke spots have been converted to passages through buildings

• Added a new upper floor juke spot to each side

• Stairwell from Amber Orange/Sapphire Blue Walker catwalk to the courtyard now less cramped

• Lowered the statue pedestals in the inner lanes outside of Mid

[ Weapon Items ]

• Monster Rounds: Bullet Resist vs NPC increased from 30% to 35%

• Hollow Point Rounds: Spirit Shield increased from +80 to +85

• Restorative Shot: Heal from heroes increased from 30 to 35

• High-Velocity Mag: Bullet Velocity reduced from +35% to +30% (now has an upgrade)

• Active Reload: Lifesteal reduced from 30% to 22%

• Active Reload: Buff duration reduced from 8s to 7s

• Kinetic Dash: Active Fire Rate reduced from 30% to 25%

• Long Range: Now grants +90 Bullet Shield

• Melee Charge: Now grants +1 HP regen

• Swift Striker: Now grants +10% Ammo

• Titanic Magazine: Bullet Armor increased from 10% to 15%

• Toxic Bullets: Heal Reduction increased from -55% to -65%

• Toxic Bullets: Bleed damage reduced from 6% to 5%

• Toxic Bullets: Now grants +100 Health

• Intensifying Magazine: Now steadily ramps back down to 0% when you stop shooting rather than instantly emptying

• Warp Stone: Active Bullet Resistance reduced from 40% to 30%

• Sharpshooter: Now grants +175 Bullet Shield

• Sharpshooter: No longer provides bonus headshot damage

• Sharpshooter: Weapon damage increased from 60% to 70%

• Burst Fire: Active duration increased from 3s to 4s

• Escalating Resilience: Max Bullet Resist increased from 36% to 40%

• Alchemical Fire: Cooldown reduced from 28s to 26s

• Heroic Aura: Active duration increased from 5s to 6s

• Added new T3 Weapon Item, Headhunter: Requires High-Velocity Mag. Grants +50% Bullet Velocity, +15% Weapon Damage and +150 Bullet Shield. Passive cooldown: Landing a headshot on heroes deals bonus +140 Damage, heals you for +8% Max HP and grants +2 m/s for 3 seconds. Cooldown: 6 seconds.

• Siphon Bullets: Weapon Damage reduced from 40% to 28%

• Frenzy: Ammo increased from +9 to +12

• Lucky Shot: Proc chance increased from 30% to 35%

• Ricochet: Bounce damage increased from 50% to 60%

• Ricochet: Fixed not applying spirit bonus damage from Vindicta and Wraith abilities

[ Vitality Items ]

• Melee Lifesteal: Effectiveness vs non-heroes increased from 35% to 40%

• Healing Rite: Cooldown reduced from 65s to 60s

• Divine Barrier: No longer grants +7% Bullet Resist

• Divine Barrier: No longer grants +1.5 Health Regen

• Divine Barrier: Now grants +1 Sprint

• Divine Barrier: Now grants +75 Health

• Divine Barrier: Now grants +8% Ability Range

• Combat Barrier: Now also grants +8% Fire Rate while active

• Enchanter's Barrer: Now also grants +8% Cooldown Reduction while active

• Reactive Barrier: Duration reduced from 13s to 9s

• Healing Booster: Now has also 15% Heal Reduction Resist (Leech no longer has it)

• Healing Booster: No longer has +6% Bullet Resist

• Superior Stamina: Air Jump/Dash Distance reduced from +40% to +30%

• Metal Skin: Cooldown reduced from 25s to 22s

• Rescue Beam: Channel duration reduced from 3s to 2.5s

• Lifestrike: Effectiveness vs non-heroes increased from 35% to 40%

• Fortitude: Damage taken duration threshold reduced from 12s to 11s

• Veil Walker: Cooldown reduced from 18s to 17s

• Majestic Leap: Cooldown reduced from 26s to 24s

• Leech: No longer has 30% Heal Reduction Resist

• Unstoppable: Can now be cast while channeling

• Unstoppable: Cooldown reduced from 65s to 60s

• Soul Rebirth: Cooldown reduction increased from +15% to +18%

• Soul Rebirth: Now grants +12 Spirit

• Soul Rebirth: Fixed being able to purchase globally during its brief respawn period

• Soul Rebirth: Fixed the camera moving away from the player if you will respawn, rather than following the ragdoll

• Colossus: Slow increased from 25% to 35%

• Shadow Weave: Spirit Shield health increased from +200 to +300

• Shadow Weave: Spot radius reduced from 20m to 18m

• Phantom Strike: Cast range reduced from 30m to 25m

[ Spirit Items ]

• Ammo Scavenger: Health increased from +50 to +60

• Extra Charge: Cooldown reduction increased from +8% to +10%

• Spirit Strike: Debuff duration increased from 8s to 13s

• Spirit Strike: Spirit Shield increased from +85 to +100

• Extra Spirit: Health increased from +25 to +35

• Withering Whip: No longer grants +20% Ammo

• Withering Whip: Now grants +8% Fire Rate

• Withering Whip: Fire Rate slow reduced from -40% to -30%

• Withering Whip: Cooldown reduced from 40s to 25s

• Quicksilver: No longer has +10% Reload Time

• Suppressor: Health regen reduced from 3 to 2.5

• Suppressor: Fire Rate reduction reduced from -30% to -25%

• Improved Cooldown: Cooldown Reduction increased from 15% to 16%

• Duration Extender: Health regen increased from 1.5 to 1.75

• Slowing Hex: Projectile speed increased by 30%

• Slowing Hex: Cooldown reduced from 27s to 25s

• Rapid Recharge: Charge count reduced from +3 to +2

• Rapid Recharge: Faster Time Between Charges increased from +40% to +55%

• Rapid Recharge: Cooldown for charged abilities increased from +20% to +25%

• Knockdown: Delay reduced from 3s to 2s

• Knockdown: Stun reduced from 1.25s to 0.9s

• Knockdown: Cast range increased from 35m to 45m

• Silence Glyph: Duration reduced from 3.5s to 3s

• Torment Pulse: Spirit damage scaling increased from 0.2 to 0.24

• Surge of Power: Imbued Ability Spirit Power increased from +28 to +34

• Superior Duration: Non-Imbued duration increased from +24% to +26%

• Improved Spirit: Health Regen increased from 2 to 3

• Improved Spirit: Health increased from +75 to +100

• Improved Reach: Spirit Resist increased from +10% to +12%

• Curse: Duration reduced from 3.5 to 3.25

• Magic Carpet: You are now unslowable while on the Magic Carpet

• Magic Carpet: Cooldown reduced from 40s to 30s

• Magic Carpet: Barriers now last for 16s

• Echo Shard: Now grants +8 Spirit Power

• Escalating Exposure: Base Spirit Resist reduction increased from -12% to -15%

• Refresher: Now grants +8% Bullet Resist

• Boundless Spirit: Sprint reduced from +4 to +3

• Boundless Spirit: Now grants +25% Weapon Damage

[ Heroes ]

• Abrams: Infernal Resilience Regeneration Time increased from 16s to 18s (this is a nerf)

• Abrams: Now does pull ups on the zipline once again (this is a buff)

• Abrams: Fixed Shoulder Charge sometimes stunning enemies on stairs

• Abrams: Fixed Seismic Impact sometimes not going to the area selected

• Bebop: Gun range increased from 30m to 32m

• Bebop: Hook now only targets enemies when used by default. If you use with alt cast (middle mouse) it will be ally only mode.

• Bebop: Hyper Beam can now be canceled by using Parry

• Dynamo: Rejuvenating Aurora can now be canceled by using Parry

• Dynamo: Fixed Kinetic Pulse not traveling properly when cast near corners

• Dynamo: Gun damage reduced from 15 to 13

• Dynamo: Singularity cast time increased from 0.1 to 0.2

• Dynamo: Singularity range reduced from 9m to 8m

• Grey Talon: Charged Shot collision size reduced by 8%

• Grey Talon: Charged Shot base damage reduced from 105 to 100

• Grey Talon: Charged Shot T2 reduced from +70 to +65

• Grey Talon: Fire Rate now scales with Spirit (0.25)

• Grey Talon: Can now use multiple air dashes while using Rain of Fire

• Grey Talon: Immobilizing Trap root duration reduced from 2s to 1.25s

• Grey Talon: Immobilizing Trap now applies a 50% movement slow for 1 seconds after the root

• Grey Talon: Immobilizing Trap T2 changed from +1s Root to +2s Slow

• Haze: Base bullet damage increased from 5.3 to 5.6

• Haze: Sleep Dagger impact damage happens immediately, rather than after the brief drowsy period

• Haze: Sleep Dagger drowsy period before sleep kicks in increased from 0.25 to 0.35

• Haze: Sleep Dagger cooldown reduced from 27s to 25s

• Haze: Smoke Bomb radius reduced from 20m to 18m

• Haze: Fixation T2 max stacks increased from +30 to +40

• Haze: Bullet Dance now provides +2 Weapon Damage in the base ability (similar to the T1)

• Infernus: Reduced vertical reach on Flame Dash dps

• Infernus: Flame Dash speed is now affected by slows

• Infernus: Flame Dash trail now gets wider with Ability Range bonus

• Infernus: Flame Dash T1 duration reduced from 7s to 6s

• Infernus: Catalyst Damage Amplification reduced from 30% to 25%

• Infernus: Catalyst T3 Damage Amplification increased from +10% to +15%

• Infernus: Catalyst T2 reduced from +20% Lifesteal to +15%

• Ivy: Bullet damage growth per boon reduced from 0.55 to 0.5

• Ivy: Health growth per boon reduced from +41 to +35

• Ivy: Watcher's Covenant T2 reduced from +3 m/s to +2

• Ivy: Air Drop no longer silences allies

• Ivy: Air Drop now causes allies to deal 50% less damage while being carried

• Ivy: Air Drop movement adjusted to be a little less frantic

• Ivy: Fixed Air Drop bomb disappearing if you cancel your ultimate after dropping it but before it lands

• Ivy: Air Drop self cast cast time increased from 1s to 2s

• Ivy: Air Drop max move speed reduced from 20 to 18

• Ivy: During Air Drop flight you can pitch up and down with Dash/Crouch buttons

• Ivy: Fixed getting stuck under bridges and in buildings while Air Drop flying

• Kelvin: Bullet radius increased from 5 to 6

• Kelvin: Base health growth per boon increased from +45 to +50

• Kelvin: Arctic Beam max slow increased from 60% to 80%

• Kelvin: Arctic Beam now affects soul orbs (secures/denies them)

• Kelvin: Arctic Beam T3 range reduced from 15m to 13m

• Kelvin: Fixed Ice Path jitter

• Kelvin: Frost Grenade T2 Heal increased from 135 to 145

• Lash: Improved firing arm position to be a little bit more out of the way from the reticle

• Lash: Grapple no longer gives a stamina charge on use

• Paradox: Fixed Paradoxical Swap still going through even if Paradox dies during it

• Pocket: Barrage amp reduced from 8% to 7% per stack

• Pocket: Fixed Barrage amp visual not showing properly

• Seven: Static Charge radius increased from 5m to 6m

• Seven: Static Charge T2 radius increased from +7m to +8m

• Seven: Storm Cloud spirit power scaling reduced from 1.1 to 0.8

• Seven: Storm Cloud time to reach maximum radius reduced from 6s to 3s

• Seven: Storm Cloud Now provides +20% Bullet Resistance in the base ability

• Shiv: Bullet damage growth per boon reduced from 0.5 to 0.4

• Shiv: Gun falloff range reduced by 10%

• Shiv: Health growth per boon reduced from +41 to +35

• Shiv: Slice and Dice T2 reduced from +100 to +85

• Shiv: Slice and Dice T3 now considers creeps for only half value

• Shiv: Bloodletting deferred damage reduced from 35% to 30%

• Shiv: The targeting UI for Shiv's Killing Blow is now more clear about when the target will be killed

• Vindicta: Stake duration reduced from 2.25s to 2s

• Vindicta: Crow Familiar Spirit Power duration scaling reduced from 0.05 to 0.04

• Vindicta: Fixed left clicks sometimes deselecting the ability when charges aren't ready

• Viscous: Primary Fire redesigned to make it more usable and have improved damage and scaling

• Viscous: Now has an Alt Fire that has limited range, but deals AOE damage that cannot headshot

• Viscous: Splatter Spirit Scaling increased from 1.4 to 1.5

• Viscous: Splatter Damage on 2nd and 3rd hit increased from 66% and 33% to 70% and 50%

• Viscous: Puddle Punch damage increased from 100% to 110% of Light Melee

• Viscous: Puddle Punch T2 is now +50 damage and +20% movement slow (was -10s cooldown)

• Viscous: Puddle Punch T3 is now -12s cooldown (was +80 damage and +20% movement slow)

• Viscous: Puddle Punch: delay before punch increased from 0.25s to 0.35s

• Viscous: Goo Ball Spirit Scaling increased from 1.05 to 1.3

• Viscous: Goo Ball acceleration increased

• Viscous: Goo Ball base turn radius and turn radius after bouncing has been increased

• Viscous: Fixed a bug where Goo Ball would have the direction and trail particle stuck on

• Warden: Base movement speed reduced from 6.5 to 6

• Warden: Fire Rate scaling with spirit reduced from 0.375 Fire Rate per Spirit to 0.3

• Yamato: Power Slash max damage time requirement reduced from 1.5s to 1.4s

• Yamato: Power Slash collision radius reduced by 8%

• Yamato: Crimson Slash radius increased from 12m to 13m

• Yamato: Fixed being able to die during Shadow Transformation if hit by Grey Talon's Owl

• Yamato: Fixed some cases where Flying Strike could get into a stuck state

• Yamato: Fixed some cases where Crimson Slash would appear to be cast when it wasn't

How does everyone approach buying upgrades?

I’ve just went with the recommended/build ones but sometimes feel they aren’t always the best.

Any favorites that you like using on all characters?

Artist: Pxyieart | twitter | danbooru

Shamelessly stolen off Discord. No idea who made it.

For those who don't know, Warden's current design is based on his old one from when Deadlock was still Neon Prime, there he was meant to be a riot cop. His story changed though, and now he's an alchemist vigilante.

He's meant to have a big and imposing cloak, which some characters are already commenting on in voice lines.

Personal Opinion

His character is quite interesting to me due to the whole "trained from birth" thing. Dude has to have massive problems, and I hope those get explored in time.

Stolen from a thread on the other place. I thought it was very interesting. How do you feel about cyberpunk compared to paranormal 30s New York as a theme?

Hi, guys. My girlfriend and I just found out about the game. We both love the concept, we love MOBAS... We really want to give it a go. What do we have to do?

Just checking if it's not just me, McGinnis being able to spawn a massive wall that you can't destroy is very annoying to play against. She can single out a person pushing and dominate a team fight with the right usage of this ability.

In almost every other game I've played a wall like this can at least be destroyed by dealing enough damage, but nope. You have to wait the 5 seconds or so for it to go down.

Matchmaking requires picking three heroes you're willing to play. Who have you landed on, and why?

Tell us a bit about how you like to play your three, so the rest of us might get an idea of which other heroes we might like to try, too.

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/40420575

> Not sure where the official announcement of this happened, but videos and discussions of the game are now finally allowed. The game is still invite-only, but expect to start seeing it all over the place now. Popular streamers are already jumping into it. > > !

I have Deadlock and am able to invite people, if someone wants an invite just comment with your Steam URL (or DM me) and I will send invites out later today to you.

Similarly, if there are others out there who want to share invites please feel free to comment your Steam URL (or whatever).

GLHF!

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PS, if I've added you as a friend but you've not heard from me please feel free to message me on Steam or leave a comment on my profile and I'll invite you ASAP.

Personally, I think it's going to become a massive success.

~~Today's update included a new character amongst the myriad of fixes. I was at first annoyed because they could down you real quick if you didn't gtfa from them, and so they ended up with more kills then I've ever seen; however, it was also the first match I've played that came close to a tie.

I think this new character is supposed to be OP to balance things out if one side or the other has more combined hours or some other metric.~~

Just my opinion as it was my only game with them so far.

It was just a fluke. Someone was already a fucking god with them and destroyed my team with double digit kill streak. Unless of course the devs nerfed them... if so, then posts like these are useless. My apologies.