PugJesus @ PugJesus @lemmy.world Posts 3,927Comments 7,912Joined 2 yr. ago
So Obama isn’t liberal now? Neither is Biden or Clinton?
Refresh my memory on where the death camps were under Clinton, Obama, and Biden.
Neither are the dem members on Congress that happily, gleefully voted for the patriot act written by Biden?
Ah, you're one of those "All violations of rights are equal" types, where violations of privacy, quite serious in reality, are the equivalent of genocide. Interesting, but utterly disconnected from reality.
I hope you get better.
It’s what you voted for and what your elected leaders did.
You know, it's usually considered good form to at least vaguely relate to reality when discussing politics; that you're not doing so is really quite... concerning.
Aren’t the libs just celebrating that their faces are being eaten? Or whatever…
Would you like to explain how that relates to the leopards-eating-faces metaphor, or are you just throwing out random phrases in the hopes that you'll sound more convincing?
You guys built the camps, you’re mad that now you’ll also be targeted. Too bad so sad hope you don’t build camps next time.
Yes, you caught us, the Liberal Agenda was to create death camps in America all along.
Nope, the US is behind most global issues. The massive interference they do, daily, to the global South has hampered growth and democracy across the world.
It has been the single most evil force in world history. More colonial than the UK, more slaves than the entirety of Europe combined, and more imperial military outposts than peak roman empire. And that’s without mention the tens of thousands of assassinations and regime changes.
I mean it got so bad the US invented its own enemies wholesale like the current Iranian regime and the taliban.
lmao
Liberalism is a right-wing ideology that’s largely responsible for breeding fascism.
Goodness, is there any evil in the world the liberals aren't responsible for?
Shhh the libs are circlejerking over their genocide. Let them circlejerk themselves into the camps. Only after experiencing suffering for the first time in their life do they have any hope of abandoning liberalism and right wing ideology in general.
"Once they're in the death camps, they'll finally convert to The One True Faith" - People who are Very Serious Leftists, Totally Guys
"This will teach that criminal, Joe Biden!" [sends LGBT Americans to camps and massacres Ukrainian civilians]
Good job. Really showed those Dem elites.
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Oh my God, they were Starmates
You mean "And then was pulled away", right?
What happened in Tienanmen Square in 1989?
Being terminally online is my only superpower; so as long as it brings a few people some amusement, I feel like it's not completely wasted🙏
No offense, but I think you're getting old in a time of crisis. You rightfully see that things are fucked now, and getting worse, and want an explanation for it. But oftentimes the easy, A-Leads-To-B explanations that are intuitive are not correct. Tumblr, and Livejournal before that (Christ, remember Livejournal?), were always cesspools of hypervigilance, groupthink, and aggressive identity politics, but their activity was largely that of a vocal, and often very young and confused, minority misunderstanding academic and popular concepts, not a major cultural current.
I don't think their quarreling and internet slapfights were meaningful contributors, and while I might be wrong, I doubt that such minor quarreling is core to modern LGBT culture; what is more likely, I think, is simply that neopronouns and pronoun importance has increased with the acceptance of trans folk in society as more than a joke or an aside thought. I mean, fuck, I remember what the mid-late 2000s were like regarding trans folk. Not fucking pretty.
The kids will always be irritating. Hell, they were irritating when I was a kid, and I was one of the little shits. But they're also considerably less racist, sexist, homophobic, and transphobic than the kids were back in my day; and so is society at large, I think.
It's just that, like issue approval, popular minority acceptance unfortunately does not guaranteed the execution of a majority or plurality-opinion in policy. Improvements in popular minority acceptance reduce the chance of horrific policy execution, but until it is overwhelming, these reversals remain a possibility.
If it sounds like I'm downplaying it with clinical phrasing, I don't mean to. Fuck, I might be in line for the camps myself, albeit for different reasons. I just don't know that you're looking at the right cause for why LGBT folk are at risk now.
Solidarity with Palestine is non-negotiable, but no solidarity allowed for Ukraine or American LGBT folk (they deserve the genocide, obviously /s)
As a cis lesbian who’s gender nonconforming, I’ve spent years putting up with their pronoun based faux “oppression” temper tantrums out of an effort to be “accepting” only to watch larger society completely flip on us. Their “fight” makes a mockery out of what came before them. Now we’re under serious physical threat again but yeah, let’s go be pronoun police finding things to get offended by that make us feel important (main character syndrome, thanks iPad babies) rather than fight actual fucking oppression.
I'm a cishet guy, so my perspective is limited to that outside view, and the secondhand perspectives my handful of LGBT friends offer. But everything that I've seen and heard myself has pointed towards a greater acceptance of LGBT folk over the course of my 30 years of life, including the past decade. Like antisemitism and other bigotries, the worst and most violent expressions are often not rooted in backsliding of popular sentiment, but that popular sentiment has become widely positive enough to be threatening to conservative cultural forces, but not so strong or universal as to be an automatic death sentence for public bigotry. France was less antisemitic in 1940 than in 1900, yet it is the France of 1940 which cooperated with the Nazis on Jewish genocide.
I get that's not a big fucking comfort when the result is still potentially genocide, but I don't know that pronoun fights have had the effect you think they have, nor that popular opinion has reversed course rather than the still-recordbreaking level of LGBT support simply being insufficient against an outburst of the hatred that was never completely put out, and which still rules a sizable and energetic minority in this country.
"I didn't sign up for this shit, send me back"
I'm sure you know oppression comes in many forms and intensities.
I'm not disagreeing with you that "They/them" is appropriate upon meeting a stranger, but you are definitely coming at this with a good deal of aggravation which may not be the best way to see this, however justified that aggravation might be. You're pretty deep in the comments section here, wherein most people have agreed with you that the instance ban on you was unreasonable, and you're still fuming. I get it, but it's not necessarily helpful to parsing why there are people in here, even who agree that your ban was unwarranted, who feel that your responses were quick on the trigger.
If violence against LGBT folk were completely extinguished, for example, but they were not allowed to legally marry, that would still be oppression. A lesser form? A MUCH lesser form? Certainly. Likewise, even in a society where LGBT folk can marry, a refusal to use the appropriate pronouns is a form of (mild) social oppression. A lesser form than being forbidden from marriage? Of course. A much lesser form than violence? Certainly. But a form nonetheless, just like the normalization of calling Black men 'boy' was (and in some parts of the country, is) oppressive.
I get that things are looking pretty fucking horrific in the real world right now, that violence, never extinguished, seems like it might have an exceptionally vile and widespread comeback, and focus on pronouns seems misplaced in light of that, but what you responded to in the OP was an aside comment, at most.
Just like it's okay for you to be upset at the overall focus you feel is placed on pronoun importance, and especially in pronoun witch-hunting, seeking out an enemy to be angry at to validate themselves; it is also okay for someone to be upset at the prospect of being misgendered, or, rather, a refusal to be gendered correctly, if you prefer. It is passing, but it is worth their comment; it is not inherently invalid for them to be agitated by this phenomenon, it's not absurd to regard it as a form of social oppression. The mistake they make is in attributing accidental or unknowing misgendering the same or similar quality of offense, which I think we are in agreement on.
You're attributing a lot of intent into the statement you responded to in the OP, but even if correct, it's committing that same essential mistake of attributing a type or intensity of offense that... is not there, at least not in a strict reading of the original comment. The same way that the offense of misgendering someone on accident is a type or intensity of incident that is not comparable to intentional misgendering, regardless of how a quick emotional response can mistake the two, in practice or in abstract.
tl;dr; you're not wrong to be angry at the concept, what you were doing was not gatekeeping in any serious sense, the instance ban is unwarranted, but continuing to attribute motive and rationale to the person you responded to is an entirely different question, and one you are not coming off as justified in.
Ah, my favorite meal of the day, [checks notes] 'Meal of the Day'
The latter, I hope
