Oh wow. I remember people sounding the alarm about "peak oil" in the '70s and '80s.
Weird that no one talks about it now that it's happening.
because you're fucking moron that forgets things easily!"
It’s more that the worst thing you’re willing to accept becomes the new normal.
And then something that was previously unthinkable becomes thinkable. And then if you accept that because it’s the lesser evil, it becomes the new “new normal”. Continue in a downward spiral.
Look at the state we’re in now, with Trump and Biden. That’s the result of decades of picking “the lesser evil”.
At some point you have to say “no more”.
There were self-immolations in Vietnam that were protests against the US-backed puppet government in Vietnam.
It wasn’t the only thing that shaped public opinion about the war, but it did have a big impact.
You can read a bit about it here:
Right. So, part of the problem with “Voting third-party means supporting Trump” is that it presumes I would have otherwise voted for Biden.
And I wouldn’t have. Because he’s committing genocide.
Also, when third-party candidates start to get traction, they can pull votes away from Trump as well as Biden.
And if enough people vote third-party, we can start to defeat both Trump and Biden. Even small amounts of support for third-party candidates can lead to a third-party winning seats in congress if that support is concentrated in particular districts, like college towns. And in an evenly divided congress, a few seats can control the balance of power and have a big impact.
I’m not in the same situation as that guy. I am not claiming to be brave. I’m a little worried (like we all are), but my life is not in imminent danger.
But I am trying to do the right thing, and I hope that if things get worse and I do end up in a situation like that man that I will be brave and continue to do the right thing. That’s the lesson I’m taking from him.
You’re gonna need a better example, because people lighting themselves on fire played a tremendous role in ending popular support for America’s occupation of Vietnam during the Vietnam War.
It’s the last thing I would describe as “symbolic”.
It’s not righteous indignation. It’s making difficult moral decisions according to one’s conscience.
I’m aware there could be consequences if Trump wins. But I will not let fear for my own safety steer me towards supporting a genocide.
Like that guy. Who, according to reports, was punished for his failure to salute by being put into penal military service, where he was killed.
Be that guy means be that guy.
Trump won in 2016 in part due to the righteous indignation of people that refused to vote for Clinton.
And would those people have suddenly switched to Clinton if no third-party candidate was available?
No policies will change. No causes will be advanced.
Or, maybe politicians will see that they’re losing votes to anti-genocide third-party candidates, and their policies will change.
And if not, then we don’t have a democracy anyway. If it’s not possible for the USA to cease its support for genocide, then this is not a liberal democracy, and this is certainly not the leader of the free world.
What happened to “never again”? Never again is now and all I’m hearing is “eh, what can you do?”.
In our case, Biden and Trump are both Hitler because they’re both supporting a genocide. The crowd in that photo are a mix of Democrats and Republicans, and that guy is the people saying “I won’t support either of you”.
If there were a “no genocide” candidate that could win, making that a single issue would matter.
But voting is valuable even if your candidate doesn't win. It's about having your desires counted on the public record.
If politicians see that they're losing votes to anti-genocide third-party candidates, they'll take notice.
And the answer is that "Where did the other dollar go?" is a nonsensical question when you understand the situation correctly. But a lot of people who first hear it don't understand the situation correctly.
Likewise, "You're helping Trump by voting third-party" is a nonsensical when you understand the situation correctly, but many people don't at first understand the situation correctly.
Genocides happening either way. you sitting home and sulking about it wont make it better.
Be this guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/11rrvt/be_this_guy/
Here's a puzzle for you. A group of three men go to a hotel, and they each pay $10 for a room, for a total of $30. Afterwards, the manager remembers that there's a deal where you can get 3 rooms for $25, so he gives $5 to the bellboy and tells the bellboy to return it to the men. But the bellboy returns just $1 to each of the men, and pockets the remaining $2.
So the men each paid $9, for a total of $27. The bellboy pocketed $2. Where did the other dollar go?
Is that supposed to persuade me to vote for Biden? "But Trump will do genocide too."
Yeah, and that's why I'm not supporting Trump either.
I am a single issue voter, and that issue is genocide. And frankly, I'm disappointed that more people aren't single issue voters when it comes to genocide.
You’re making a choice that is purely symbolic just so you feel better
If voting third-party were purely symbolic, there wouldn't be this many people on Lemmy trying to persuade us to not do it.
I think Biden does want our vote. And we're telling him that if he wants our vote, he has to stop the genocide. That's how we can use our vote to influence the government. That's how democracy is supposed to work.
but real and vulnerable people across the country have to deal with the fallout
There are real and vulnerable people dying in Gaza right now because of what Biden is doing.
42% of Democrats in a post-debate Ipsos poll said that Biden is mentally fit.
Did those 42% see the same debate that I did? I don't understand it.
The major parties are just cults at this point.
The US is so fucked, and I'm still five years away from being old enough to get a retirement visa in Thailand.
So are you.
No. Your logic is confused. You're so caught up in the false dichotomy, you're not reasoning correctly.
This is some 1984 shit. "Freedom is slavery. War is peace. People who don't vote for the parties supporting genocide are supporting genocide."
To the Democrats that called me a shill:
No amount of shills could possibly do as much damage to the Democrats as Biden is doing. Dems are not just shooing themselves in the foot this time. They're shooting themselves in the head.
But sure, blame it on shills if it helps you cope.