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POV: It's January 19th
POV: It's January 19th
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The last panel applies to every other social media, just replace the spying country.
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That last part is becoming less and less relevant .... someone is spying but it isn't for the benefit or under the control of a country. More and more, the spying is meant more for the purposes of commerce and finance, for money and control. For business interests which is what major governments mainly represent.
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And as soon as the government wants it, most companies hand it right over.
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At this point, the line between business and government in the US is almost non-existent, so definitely still a government using your data for the propaganda machine.
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And it doesn't matter who or why, either - as soon as someone hoards other people's data, someone else will try to steal it.
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surveillance capitalism…
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Right? Now do Facebook.
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Yes, and that's why US companies aren't banned by the US. The foreign power having so much propaganda power was the danger.
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So if an American company collects user data and sells it on the open market to a hostile foreign nation, and accepts money to run propaganda, that’s A-OK?
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If I wanna get my propaganda from more than one world power, that's my right under the first amendment. Or it was.
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Same reason why China bans a shitload of sites. It's fine when you do it to your own citizens
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The last panel also hurts us - fellow non-americans :(
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And the very next day:
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We were trailblazers for a time. Other than that, we were always kind of fucked as a democratic system.
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What time was that? (genuinely curious)
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Democracy is the worst form of government...
Except for all other forms.
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Probably no nation ever should last for more than 100 years. That seems to be about the time it takes for things to go bad, even if they were good to start with.
And of course there are countries like modern Russia that should have lasted for about 5 years.
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Hybrid Regime with democratic features
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And one naturally says the reason why we are in such a mess is not simply that we have wrong systems for doing things—whether they be technological, political, or religious—but we have the wrong people. The systems may be alright, but they are in the wrong hands, because we are all in various ways self-seeking, lacking in wisdom, lacking in courage, afraid of death, afraid of pain, unwilling really to cooperate with others, unwilling to be open to others.
—Alan Watts, Mind Over Mind
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I think “For a minute or two” is a more apt answer.
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Now do one with Xinnie the Pooh
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Neither he nor his country seem to be on their way out currently. Same old authoritarianism as usual.
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Do hollywood next (aka the propaganda machine of the US).
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So long, and thanks for all the fish.
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A republic you say?
Republic just means a country without monarchy.
China is a Republic
North Korea is a Republic
The US is a Democratic Republic
Where do you think the name of the political party "Democratic-Republicans" come from?
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A republic is a kind of democracy.
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Oh my god, can you people shut up with this already.
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There is sooooo much weird conspiracy shit in these comments. The government is banning TikTok becuase they collect too much data and the Chinese government could eaisly get access to all of it. The correct thing to do would be to regulate data collection but that would be problematic for Google, Meta, Microsoft, Apple..etc etc... so instead they just ban TikTok. All this TikTok refusing to spread deep state US govt propaganda horse shit is a bit past nuts.
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This is a pretty sane explanation.
I'm also at least partially convinced that it's motivated by our social media giants' interest to "think of the children" their competition away.
Seeing as the order was basically "Get bought by an American corpo or get banned." They either plunder the competitor's insane data collection, userbase, and profits, or kick them off their corner.
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You can also see it as retribution.
"Get bought by a Chinese entity or get banned" is the default posture of the Chinese government. BMW China is Chinese. Samsung China is Chinese. Panasonic China is Chinese. GM China is Chinese. If TikTok US is forced to be American, it wouldn't be the most unfair thing this week.
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They’re not hiding it. It’s not a “conspiracy” when it’s out the in the open.
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You make a good point and then draw the wrong conclusion.
You hit the nail on the head with what they should be doing (broad industry regulations), but then you COMPLETELY missed the point you made. Congress is NOT banning TikTok because they collect too much data, they're banning it because it's TikTok and the "data" is just an excuse...otherwise they'd pass real data privacy laws.
Another platform will pop up over the next week if TikTok is banned. What they want is to sell TikTok to someone that will change the platform because it's too powerful. This isn't to push "government propaganda", but simply to change the algorithm to not be so good. They don't want you to gain class consciousness or have political discourse, they want you to be distracted with silly cat videos and memes...and maybe a side of culture war, but nothing else.
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Another platform will pop up over the next week if TikTok is banned.
Or an existing social media will try to take its place; Meta and Google have sites which imitate TikTok's UI (at least, in part).
I don't think it's the only reason necessarily (and I'm inclined to agree your reasons are, at least, part of it) but I think the chance for U. S. companies to cannibalize TikTok's market demographics is, also, a happy little coincidence of the consequences.
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The correct thing to do would be to
Yes the banning of TikTok is absolutely the wrong thing.
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I mean occams razor is the best way to feel sane in the disinformation age so im with you. But i think its more accruate to do our best understand what is possible and suspend holding a specific belief like that because it doesnt matter if you are right or wrong. Many things could be true at the same time, especially with who you ask.
Kind of makes our conversations worthless, which i think is the strategy of disinformation. We cant know, so should we really be claiming whats true or not? Seems like we should just offer what seems most likely rather than tell everyone they are wrong unless you have information sources to help them understand why they are likely wrong.
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Both are bad, one is worse.
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I hope you mean Google, they track you all over the web whether you want to be tracked or not just because lazy web developers can't be bothered to host their own fonts (and other ways but that's just one example). You have to deliberately download or use TikTok for them to get your data.
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You're right, Google's tracking is way more pervasive and far less optional.
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You're right, Google controls what I see and pushes right wing propaganda to my phone. TikTok's algorithm actually works to serve me content based on my interests, and I have true political discussion and discourse there.
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Polly wants a cracker
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Those are valid criticisms, but can equally be applied to all of the rest of our main social media platforms.
I’m not seeing a big difference here between TikTok and YouTube except that one is not able to be influenced or backdoored by the US government and the other is.
In essence the optics here look an awful lot like the US simply doesn’t like other nations mining their citizens data that they want for themselves, and having foreign control of the type of news being fed by their algorithm.
Just remember that before Snowden dropped a dime on the NSA, similar suspicions sounded pretty wacky too
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In essence the optics here look an awful lot like the US simply doesn’t like other nations mining their citizens data that they want for themselves, and having foreign control of the type of news being fed by their algorithm.
Well duh? Why do you think China blocks a lot of the US social media?
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But… US companies are allowed to sell the data of citizens to other countries? Do they want some taxes before they give arbitrary your info that is literally unusable for anything aside from customizing ads
This argument bleeds from so many wounds! With how much could have Cuckerberg bribe both parties?
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It'd be much more surprising to see the Awmerican government manipulating the algorithms etc to push propoganda narratives whereas it's a pretty safe assumption that's the case on tiktok.
Edit: Sorry, do downvoters think the American government is adjusting social media algorithms? Or do folks not believe China would do so?
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Imagine cheering that your government decided witch social media are you allowed to use.
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Well yeah, but it's the US government which hasn't ever done anything problematic before. I'm sure it's for everyone's best interest. /S
Which if that were true, still wouldn't matter.
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This meme brought to you by some poor CIA agent
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Imagine
usingbeing unfathomably addicted totrusting an app parented and developed in a country where you can't criticize your leaders.-
Imagine trusting an app owned by billionaires that just paid off the government to remove their competition.
You're an idiot if you trust any social media platform at this point.
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You do know that it's illegal to be a socialist and hold any kind of government job in the United States? Brother we are in that country right now. But let's keep hearing you bitch about China.
Haters will say it's fake: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
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Yeah. American apps are trash like that
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As an adult, that's my choice to make, not the government.
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Thankfully, that doesn't apply to us using the app because the Chinese government doesn't govern us.
Meanwhile, the US government absolutely influences the flow of information on US hosted social media sites, so uh, let's be upset at all of them regardless of location!
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TikTok will not be banned. People are delusional.
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Oh yeah, I forgot the other social media apps don't collect data and spew propaganda. Oh wait... They do.
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Yeah but only for the benevolent western ultra rich oligarchs, so it's gucci.
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Yeah, only AMIERICAN companies can spy on our citizens and flood them with propaganda!
USA! USA! USA!
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This is my problem with it.
Social media, the big ones that everyone uses, are a blight on society. They are worse than cancer and they need regulation and control.
Really, the bigger problem is the monetization of data, and the ever-deeper orificices that they try to dig into for said data.
But I digress.
At the same time, they are private industries running a public (ish) forum.
Historically, we'd expect the forum owners to be responsible about the content they are presenting, and ensure that it doesn't reflect poorly on them or their community.
In other words...you wouldn't see the grocer keeping hate speech up on his community board...but if you did, I'm sure a lot of people would choose a different grocer.
The social media giants are taking a page right out of the book of Mormon, and gotten itself so engrained into modern society that trying to separate yourself from it will, at some level, result in social exile. That's bad.
Now theres a company backed by an increasingly adversarial nation-state that is in charge of a shit ton of that data. That's bad.
There's a lot of bad. Ultimately, it's a highly nuanced issue.
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Of course it's more worrying to the American government when it's a foreign government spying on their citizens. It's not really a double standard but rather just sensible from the gov's pov.
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Tiktok got banned not for peddling "chinese propaganda" but instead not peddling the US one.
All the major tech companies in the US take measures to ensure content deemed unworthy by the government never become mainstream or viral.
This is done under the pretense of stopping "hate speech" or "terroristic propaganda" but often include things like pro-palestinian content or class struggle content (like luigi mangione stuff).
Tiktok was bold enough to not do that by default, cuz they wanted someone to ask them to do this and then it would become a huge scandal about how the US suppresses free speech. And US gov don't want to do that for this exact reason as well. So they decided to ban it.
Remember talks for this "law" were initiated when all of a sudden tiktok became a host for pro-palestinian voices. We should ask ourselves, how is it that 60% of americans want the government to stop arms sales to israel but this 60% never shows up on the big social media platforms. But on other platforms like here in lemmy and tiktok, pro-palestinians is the majority.
For further reading, listen to employees fired from big US tech companies for voicing their concerns over the palestine issue, or read Meta's new terms and conditions specially the section on "dangerous organizations and individuals".
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Ah yes, TikTok, the land free of censorship. Where you can’t say “gay” and must insert a stupid little asterisk.
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It’s outright shadowbanned at best and straight up banned at the isp level at worst.
That’s why tik tok is getting banned, because US spooks can’t control it.
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They track the location of people in the US and gather large amounts of data. They didn't get banned for refusing to spread US propaganda.
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Not to defend tiktok (to this day I have not ever used it), but if the issue is the tracking and data collection, you could ban/regulate that specifically instead of singling out the app.
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False dichotomy. They could’ve been banned on legitimate pretenses AND other reasons threatening power.
If they were legitimately only banned for “tracking the location in the US and gathering large amounts of data”, then just about every single social media service would be under investigation for the same reason. But do we currently see that happening?
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So does facebook, twitter, google, microsoft, and pretty much every mobile app development shop.
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These are very loose terms. Pretty much every major website saves IP addresses when you create an account (to prevent abuse/spam detection). And you can get location info from the IP address. Hence the first condition would be true for all of those websites.
Next, any website/app that builds a recommendation system will save user interactions to build the "algorithm". So every social media with an algorithm will fall into this category.
With enough bending of terminology, we might be able to prove that the lemmy also collects user data (although it will be really hard cuz the algo here is based on upvotes and time posted iirc). And "large amount" part is just legal filler words.
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As does all the American owned networks. That’s not the reason. Not pushing American propaganda is the reason.
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That’s what they’re telling you, and since when are they telling the truth?
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hankie hugger, yall ain’t gonna win this one
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Thank god for bold platforms like TikTok that refuse to push US propaganda. Really smart of them to not censor valuable information as a way of fooling the US government into exposing its evil censorship ways. TikTok's fate in the US was never a topic before the current wave of pro-Palestinian activism started. It certainly wasn't one of Trump's main talking points ten years ago. Good thing he changed his mind after getting his hands on
some Chinese moneylucrative investmenet from Chinese citizens that are not at all connected to Tencent.None of this discourse on combatting foreign information manipulation started over a decade ago, its all about censoring pro-Palestine voices here and now. TikTok and China in general are known for their calm, collected attitudes toward Muslims. They certainly would never weaponize a contentious topic every which way imaginable in pursuit of financial and geopolitical goals. We need more of these open and bold platforms.
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FTFY
edit : ooooh the wee St Petersburg trollies are tryin’ ta tryin’ ta ain’tcha!
News flash, responder-guys: if you’re even humans & not the AI bots who took most of your colleagues’ jobs, you’re still always be undervalued by your bosses. They’ll never, ever save you: they’ll save their Teslas and stock portfolios instead. Your life kinda sucks and there’s nothing you can do about it AND YOU CHOSE THIS LIFE, DIDNT YOU. Free yourself. Quit this shit job and go back to school before it’s too late.
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whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout tho?
(For anyone reading this in the future: they made that edit addressing "responder-guys" when the comment had only one reply lol 🤡)
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Yeah but not Facebook and Twitter and other American ones. Right?
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You're on the Fediverse. Most of the people here are already actively avoiding Facebook and Xitter. Unfortunately, getting the US, EU, etc. to ban American propaspyware companies is, uh, extremely unlikely. China, however, has banned them long ago, which is why I don't see why people think it's hypocritical of the US government to ban Chinese social media.
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But they claim that China banning the apps is authoritarian. The hypocrisy isnt in banning the app, it's in their claims about motivation to do so.
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Try saying negative stuff about China on .ml I doubt that they are not completely undermined by the Chinese intelligence. (They delete every post critical about china).
So being vigilant is the only way to avoid getting manipulated.
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Not sure that it’s “most” anymore. Propaganda huffers realized there was more new land to destroy / minds to influence & they had to come settle here too
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Can someone explain to me how it's worse for a foreign government to have your information than your own government having that same information? Your own government is far more likely to actually be able to do something about you.
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Foreign governments are supposed to buy information from American social media companies. Tik Tok cut out the middleman so they're getting banned.
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It probably won't make a difference for you, but if you worked in a government facility and they're spying on you, obtaining credentials, obtaining information on infrastructure in the energy sector, government facilities, etc., getting network credentials, getting floorplans, getting times where a changing of the guard occurs, etc. - any foreign entity can use that info to tear a country down from the inside and kick off a full scale war.
Local government isn't going to self-saborage with that information. Yeah, spying on the citizens is awful and we should avoid any apps/devices that do that too, but that's not as bad as war unless it gets so bad that it gets to a point of civil war which seems unlikely.
inb4 tankies claim "conspiracy":
China hacked US Telecom Infrastructure
China hacking US Treasury
Two recent events I was able to dig up fairly quickly. Wouldn't be surprised if there's more. Apparently they tapped Trump's phone too, but not sure how credible the article/source is.-
That's true but it doesn't apply to the vast majority of people. People who work in the government should be more aware of these things and I believe the tiktok ban started as only on government devices which is a lot more reasonable than a blanket ban.
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Not a foreign gov. China.
This is analogous to the diff between Ireland having nukes and Russia having nukes.
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Yup, much better to let a foreign evil government have your data than the local evil government that actually has control where you live.
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Blah blah blah "we built our own great firewall and painted it red white and blue, and even banned the use of vpns to get to foreign sites which even China doesn't do. We're totally the good guys BTW."
Americans are so fucking stupid, oh my god.
@EDIT: So it turns out the RESTRICT Act, that I was thinking of, and which banned VPNs, was shot down. And the current and approved Tiktok ban law doesn't do that. So. My b. This one is on me. I stand by "Americans are so fucking stupid oh my god", though, because you're still cheering for loss of net liberty.
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as an American yeah, seeing this post is just depressing. like people are actively cheering a loss of internet freedom. the government doesn't care about bytedance or else capcut would have to go too. they care about controlling information, tiktok has been essential in issues like Palestine, even if I don't like the platform itself I can admit that.
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Also 100% clear that facebook, google, twitter... are all doing the same but for US intelligence
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I think the idea of the government banning entire websites (or really any information in general) is horrifying. The fact that so many people in America seem to be enthusiastic or at least indifferent to new forms of government censorship shows how far along we are to complete fascism. Information is meant to be free, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The fact that’s we’re having these conversations is disgusting.
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banned the use of vpns to get to foreign sites which even China doesn't do
What are you talking about? The GFC tries its absolute best to block VPNs and other circumvention methods.
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I guess they're not banned, but they're blocking them.
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and even banned the use of vpns to get to foreign sites
Who is "we" in this context? VPNs are certainly not banned in the United States.
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even banned the use of vpns to get to foreign sites
Do you have a source for this?
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I did, but then I realised I'm wrong about the VPN thing.
I was thinking of the RESTRICT act from 2023, which did ban the usage of VPNs (and was the "Original" Tiktok ban law)
Apparently in the year and change I spent not really caring (look, this is an American problem, y'all slam your metaphorical penises in the car door at least three times a day. And I have my own country's dick-slammings to care about. I only hear about it when it's particularly egregious or when I see a meme like this that is cheering for the dick-slamming) the RESTRICT act got shot down, and another one was quickly drafted.
The one that was approved does not ban VPNs. So. That's on me. My b.
Anyway, given y'all are under Trump's thumb now, I give it eeeeh six months before RESTRICT 2: Censorship Boogaloo starts making the rounds.
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when exactly did that happen
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Americans are so fucking stupid oh my god
Coming from someone who confidently believed a law that didn't exist was in effect, these words are a bit flat.
Better words would be "people in general are so fucking stupid", and you are not immune to that.
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"Freedom is when you let foreign governments spy on your citizens"
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What do you suggest? Allow a foreign nation to destroy you from within?
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Actually fight against that rather than pretending too, Israel and Russia have destroyed the US from within far more than China... Maybe tackle the active objective threats rather than potential ones
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Actual regulations on data privacy and algorithmic manipulation. It's not that complicated. The EU figured it out. Fuck me, my own country, Brazil, a third world hellhole, figured it out. We have very strict rules on data protection.
Ofc, this would never happen because 1. Big corpos own the US government and actual regulation on privacy would hurt THEM, and 2. The US Government actually WANTS algorithmic manipulation to happen, except they want THEIR algorithmic manipulation and not anyone else's.
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They're suspiciously selective about what foreign interference they're ok with.
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The US is doing it just fine on our own.
Hell, an election here just voted in fascism like its the 1920s again.
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Yes please
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Non Americans do that all the time, exceept we have at least one more choice than americans.
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I'm not a fan of government banning stuff, but like... if they are gonna do it, ban Wechat too. My parent's be so deep in the Wechat propaganda, I wonder what they do without Wechat.
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What? Wechat is a thing here? I have literally never heard about Wechat like anywhere, pretty sure more people know about Lemmy in the US than Wechat lmao
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WeChat is very common amongst the Chinese diaspora worldwide. Everyone in China uses WeChat. Its like China's Facebook. Its either that, or just sms, which lack many features like, group chats, or some weird Lunar New Year gifs, stuff like that. So if you want to communicates with relatives that are still in China, or with other first-generation immigrants, WeChat is just the default method. But that's only for first-generation immigrants tho. People born ouside of China, Taiwan, or any Chinese-speaking areas would probably not use WeChat. I arrived in the US at before I was 10, I hate the idea of having any corporate apps on my phone, regardless of nationality. Many Chinese Americans born in the US just use the typical Instagram, Snapchat and stuff like that (and yes, some use TikTok as well, but that just a "kids these days" thing, nothing to do with ancestry)
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What the hell is WeChat? Did that WeWork guy start a social media service?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat
TLDR: Chinese "Facebook" (actually its more like Facebook+Instagram+Twitter+ every social media combined into one + Googlepay/Applepay + A lot of government censorship)
Its app only, no webpage or computers, requires a smartphone, requires a phone number. How much censorship and survelliance depends on what phone number you use. Accounts with Mainland Chinese number will have a much stricter censorship and more data collected. Accounts with a western number will have less strict censorshop and less data collected (probably about the same amount of data collected by western corporate social medias).
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"It's okay that the CCP pushes propaganda because billionaires do it too" - Tiktok defenders
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Lol, I don't give a shit about tik tok, I'm more worried about the First Amendment implications.
They could just declare Lemmy instances to be "foreign propaganda" and ban every instance they don't like.
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(there are several people in this thread who would not mind banning certain lemmy instances on this basis)
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Reader's Note - There has been no evidence submitted showing any of the allegations towards TikTok are true. In fact TikTok publicly embarked on a project to silo all US Data.
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OK, but find me an exact quote that actually says that. Not something that sorta sounds like that, but that exactly.
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What kind of propaganda is the CGP pushing, exactly? Is it with us in the room, right now?
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This has been known for years.
I promise, the CCP does not need you to play devil's advocate; they advocate plenty well for themselves.
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In this house, we only like propaganda that's covering up genocide. /s
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China also covers up genocides... as does the US... As does Russia, as does almost every nation-state.
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The Tiktok ban was mainly instigated because tiktok spread news about the genocide in Gaza
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China has its genocides going on to ya know
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Nice whataboutism, I guess?
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The United Nations Human Rights Council doesn't seem to think so. It put this to bed two years ago. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-china/news/setback-for-the-west-un-body-rejects-historic-debate-on-chinas-human-rights-record/
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i like my all-american freedom and liberty data collection and propaganda
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FreeDumb™️
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They should force TikTok to be sold to the Taiwan government.
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Since this is the place for the most serious discussion:
If US lawmakers focused on protecting American's privacy with some sensible privacy laws coughGDPR equivalent cough, we could avoid pulling out the ban hammer to play whack-a-mole on these companies.
Companies would simply be punished by the law for being malicious or irresponsible with your data, forcing industries to take privacy seriously and make investments in protecting and not leaking it.
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Yes, now they just need the incentive to act and the knowledge of how to operate electronic devices.
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Companies would simply be punished by the law
can you show me any recent examples of this happening with any effectiveness?
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Ho hum. TikTok ain’t going anywhere.
It will be banned for a short while, long enough for Trump to enforce sale to Meta in exchange for their absolute hard turn top to bottom in everything they do to help spread misinformation and keep the plebs angry.
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That assumes ByteDance and TikTok approve a sale... They've been very adamant they will not.
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Maybe bring back Vine or something.
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if Vine was still here (let alone brought back) it would become just as bad as TikTok. Social medias can have their golden age but they will inevitably turn into shit, vine was simply shut down before its golden age came to an end
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Except they've banned 1 source for appeasement rather than enact a strong law or policy for long-term safety.
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Well yeah. Why would corporations write laws against their own self-interest?
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L take.
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Americans complaining about other countries meddling in their affairs is such a hilarious hypocrisy. You guys have been the worst for ruining other countries around the world.
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Well, yeah. That's why we know it should be banned.
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As someone who dropped TikTok around 3 years ago, the next month or two are going to be very amusing.
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My wife quit it and was back on it a week later. Apparently it's very addictive. As someone who is on Lemmy a thousand times per day, I guess I can understand. I don't consider it quite the same though since we actually talk here, and discuss things beyond pressing like buttons on glorified commercials.
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Tiktoks have a comment section, and people can reply to comments.
\ There is a char limit, and while that makes nuance difficult, it also inhibits unhinged rants
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I found it interesting that this Tiktok regulation talk hit peak fervor around the time that youths were using tiktok to fully grasp the severity of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. Meanwhile mainstream corporate media was painting a very different and dishonest story of the genocide.
We need broad regulation for social media in the US, not cherry picked fervor for political reasons.
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Yet they had the excuse and idiots like op are cheering on their censorship
Actual privacy laws like the Eu? Nah let's just make an american version of the Great Firewall.
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This article from 2024 gives a pretty good rundown as to why using this reasoning to ban Tiktok will set a very bad precedent:
If the govt cared about your data privacy, they would create data collection regulations that they could then use to ban tiktok if/when they violate them.
Disclaimer: I am not saying Tiktok is a great app with zero issues. This is a concern about causing long term problems by using a short term easy solution.
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Good luck criticizing a user’s choice of platform hoping to get them to leave. I’m just happy to see one less corporate platform.
“You really shouldn’t jump rope on the train tracks. It’s not safe.”
“What’s not safe about jumping rope? Everybody jump’s rope.”
“It’s not jumping rope that’s the problem, it’s the train tracks.”
“I think I’m smart enough to know if a train is coming. It’s not like the train is coming for me specifically. I’m not that important. I don’t have anything valuable enough for the train to take from me anyw-“ splat
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Yeah, so prepare for battle between people who want to tell you that their empire is better.
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Obviously the US. China imports and exports everything through the oceans. Have fun with Russian potatoes dumb dumb CCP members xD
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I think tiktok should be banned for its addictive algorithm. It is far worse than any other social media for that reason.
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I might be killed, but seeing the comments i feel like lemmy is getting too into the zone of umm like judging the action based on the person instead of judging the action/statement itself, yeah the US gov is a piece of shit, and also they probably don't have the peoples best interest in mind, but the act of banning tiktok, according to me, is a right move, i can see nd myself have felt the humongous mental impact it has on teens (like me) basically killing their attention span, and making them feel like they need to pick up their phone, heck kids cant read 10pages from their physics book, infact reading a page only thoroughly is a tough task for most of them, and i m not talking abt a few select cases, i can see this in 95% of kids (this is anecdotal tho), ever since i stopped using reels/tiktoks/shorts, i can feel my mind improving
Also the whole slew of misinformation and propaganda tiktok is, is another issue
Again I agree with ppl that the US doesn’t hv the ppls best interest, but i do feel this might help atleast some ppl break their addiction, so many I know are aware they r addicted but can’t stop, banning the app altogether might help
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I don't use tiktok because I don't want to get addicted personally, and I know a few people who borderline are.
That's not the point though, not the real one anyway. Even if this ban was going through with good intentions, it doesn't actually solve anything. Everyone will just find a new PRISM-compatable app to get addicted to. The government's "action/statement itself" is precisely the problem. If they passed a law that forbid certain addicting behaviors, and TikTok ran afoul of that law, then I'd likely be in support, because it bans those behaviors in general. But that's not what's happening here, instead the government is targeting the individual company, so it's pretty clear to me that the cited privacy and addiction concerns are only an excuse. Don't take this combatively, I just think this is important, but I think that ironically you're the one who needs to separate the action from the actors. I think you're underestimating how dangerous a precedence this sets.
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Hmm i get ur argument, but still i do believe that banning that app will still have some net positive impact, i understand that this doesn’t really fix the problem by its root, maybe i m biased, but i just want the people around me to get a chance to get off that app, thats why banning it, while i agree with not with so good intentions, still might give some sort of positive impact on people who cant concentrate on anything for more than a minute, i just don't jive well with the mentality here that the ban in nd of itself is wrong, i understand tho that the US has its own interests and doesn’t give many fcks abt ppl
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Sure, I don't think any disagrees that there's side effects that aren't good for anyone, never mind teens.
But there's nothing that you've written that's specific to Tik Tok. It's not substantially worse than American alternatives. Facebook has known for years the negative effect, study after study has come out. What legislation was passed to protect that?
So why target Tik Tok specifically?
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Fuck you. I'm going to RedNote. Purely out of spite. Because I'd rather dropship my DNA to the Communist Party of China HQ than give my data to Zucc or Elon.
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You already are on lemmy...
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Which is a reddit alternative. I refuse to use any American based TT alternative.
Musk and Zucc can go stick hotsauce doused cacti up each other's asses. Fuck them. And anyone like them.
And most of all fuck GovCo.
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I have a completely de-googled phone. No meta apps. No google apps. But I do have RedNote. Long live the CCP!
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Ah, I also have the Huawei App Store and Huawei services for banking apps.
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It wasn't. There's zero proof of this currently.
The app is banned because congress can't control. They want you using the platforms where you can't become class or politically aware.
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It is and there is tons of proof.
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Which is why you linked so much of this proof, eh?
To date, there is no public evidence that Beijing has actually harvested TikTok’s commercial data for intelligence or other purposes.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/24/tech/tiktok-ban-national-security-hearing/index.html
And, just so you don't flail around with misinformation, we're talking american TikTok data.
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Where? Just curious.
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Disinformation.
TikTok has been under control of the State Dept for years, since TikTok transferred custody of US servers to Oracle. The ban is to force a sale to a US competitor, and decrease transparency on censorship activities, especially regarding Palestine and pro-communism material.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/tiktok-chinese-trojan-horse-run-by-state-department-officials/284353/
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This.
Not a big fan of Tik Tok but fuck this fedposting bootlicker OP.
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Lol @ america being the only non-chinese country in the world
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Gross to see this kind of disinformation on Lemmy. Too bad freedom and open information lost in a major way. This will be a dark day in history. Nobody benefits except the genociders.
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I wonder if op has a strong opinion about china.
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The interest your domestic and foreign corporate social media platforms have in you are VASTLY different. It's naive to equivocate them. Yes, TikTok should get "banned", which will just be pulling the app from the app store and likely still available as a web app maybe through a VPN. They're just going to create more friction in getting access.
Instead of advocating for spyware, perhaps we should be highlighting open alternatives?
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As if any of the other social media networks aren't doing the same shit. I'd rather have China spy on me than an American company. They can't use my data to fuck me over.
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I have news for everyone ITT: TikTok is not leaving the US. A friend works in their North America business division, and they are fully planning to split off a satellite company that is (at least nominally) US-based and compliant with local law. They have been working on the transition for many months.
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While this may be true, this comment has strong "I have a girlfriend in a another school" vibes.
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Does it? It's not a brag, I don't think it's particularly cool or interesting. It just means I heard it from the horse's mouth and it is absolutely happening barring new legal action.
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That's too bad, I was hoping regulatory capture would help youtube get back on its feet now that it's a failed platform.
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Why is there so much political messaging right now
Fuck off with all the democracy doomsday posting, I just want to see funny memes
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Just the usual Americans thinking the world revolves around them and we should all accommodate their derangement.
God forbid a foreigner talk about anything though.
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Tankies malding cuz they can't come out and say "nooo how will I goon to teenagers now"
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Factually untrue, the only person who has control of what the algorithm shows you on any social media is the end user. So say8ng that it is used to spread propaganda (which that's super vague), is blatantly false. Pretending otherwise is just being willingly ignorant to how the technology works. Hell, a 6 year old understands how the algorithm works and how to shape it. Plus, US based users have their data stored on US servers hosted by Oracle, China has no access to it. Do two seconds of research and you will see that I'm correct
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LMAO, The company that makes the algorithm has control over what that algorithm "weighs" it's not that hard for them to tweak the values so it "weighs" whatever propaganda or content they want to push more of much higher than other content.
It's true, the end user does have some influence on the algorithm, but when they have it tweaked to "weigh" pro-CCP or pro-Right-wing trash much higher than other content it doesn't take much to end up falling back. For example, watching part of single pro-Trump video would make the algorithm push much more Trump trash where it would take 5 "normal" fully watched videos to continue showing "normal" videos.
And that's assuming the average user is even aware enough to influence it to that degree, which they don't.
Plus, US based users have their data stored on US servers hosted by Oracle, China has no access to it.
Yea, the data is stored in the US, but it still influences the TikTok US algorithm (because they have a separate algorithm for China ofc) which is still wholly controlled outside of the US
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Here is a video going over the bill in detail https://youtu.be/tMe3ZdWUnU8?si=-TSKsL2RW2wfzMsq
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The research lead me to an opposing conclusion unfortunately. tiktok+viral+heating in your search engine of choice shows results like these.
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That's at a very miniscule scale, if you don't want to have something in your feed, just don't interact with it.
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