Joe Biden Condemns International Criminal Court Prosecutor’s Pursuit Of Arrest Warrant Against Israeli Leaders: “What’s Happening Is Not Genocide”
Joe Biden Condemns International Criminal Court Prosecutor’s Pursuit Of Arrest Warrant Against Israeli Leaders: “What’s Happening Is Not Genocide”
Biden's worst enemy is not Trump, it is Biden himself.
Biden's worst enemy is the uneducated, religious mass that is this country.
The scary thing is you have six months to change your mind.
I'm gonna vote for this absolute braindead motherfucker and it fucking sucks.
"They're really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden..."
-Bo Burnham
Hahaha the visceral reaction I have in my stomach every time I think about that is just.... So fun.
Same. This timeline is the worst
You know Joe has a point when the only thing he and his administration is able to come up with in response to the allegations is “it’s not genocide”.
According to the United Nations, genocide is an internationally recognized crime that involves an act with the intent to destroy a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group, in whole or in part. These acts include:
This doesn’t even include the genocidal rhetoric coming from Knesset members.
It’s pretty clear the administration is on its back foot because no one believes Israel or the U.S. Hell, the majority of his base doesn’t agree with him.
This is pretty telling:
One thing these figures show is that Republican voters are far more strongly pro-Israel and defensive of its actions in Gaza than Democrats.
Who could have possibly seen that coming 🤔
That’s how it is. You wouldn’t think so the way some members of the left attack other members of the left on Lemmy, but it’s always been mostly Republican support.
Republicans refused to sign the aid bill for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. They then tried to create a standalone bill for Israel, but Biden said he’d veto it. They only came around to signing it after the Iran retaliation.
When Biden paused shipment of arms in order to conduct a State Department investigation of Israel’s acts, House Republicans drafted legislation in an attempt to force the President’s hand to release the shipment.
Republicans have been the primary antagonists in the Israel-Iran proxy war since it started under Reagan. It’s about money and power, nothing else.
It’s also worth noting that 79% of Jewish-Americans are Democrats.
Did not expect to see numbers that low. Fucken hell.
People who follow polling have been saying this since December.
Liberals on Lemmy like to live in a self-deluded bubble where their blind support for Biden means he stands a chance in November. The fact is he basically can't win with his stance on Gaza. He's not exactly doing great in other regards, but he literally can't win if he doesn't about face.
If he can't win with the policy position, and he won't change the policy position, your only option as a voter is to take your vote elsewhere. Democrats lose the election if they stick with Biden.
Its not too late. We haven't had a convention. Everything can still change. Larger mountains have been moved. If enough likely-Democratic voters show they won't vote for Biden with this position, we can move him, but you have to voice your position now while there is still time for him to pivot.
Likewise, going into the convention, if Biden was smart and cared about the future of our democracy, he could assign his delegates to another candidate. This would allow Biden to bear the burden of the Israeli genocide as being enabled through his foreign policy, allowing the rest of the Democrats to pivot to a policy position that actually sets them up to win in November.
Here is an article from January that explains it:
It wouldn't be that different if he suddenly croaked (which is a real possibility for an octogenarian.). Effectively the delegates would go to the convention unpledged, and the decision gets made at the convention.
Smartest move politically would be for Biden to step down now and designate a successor. Its what he should have done instead of running again, but by continuing to run a non-viable candidate, Democrats are giving blue ocean for Trump to win.
You can be the defense attorney, Joe
“They were valid military targets. Hamas is in the hospitals. Hamas is in the tunnels. Hamas is in Tel Aviv.”
“Just a little genocide is worth it to save democracy. Look, I made a funny trolley problem meme to prove it.”
“There is no genocide.”
Where have I heard that first line before? Oh right, back in the early 2000s when Al-Qaeda was everywhere, anywhere because they're terrorists. Just a different brand!
I’m very confused, Hamas were in and under the hospital weren’t they?
Edit: why are people downvoting this? Please someone explain
Because that's still not a reason to start bombing hospitals en masse. Those hospitals were still largely serving the civillian population. Even if some soldiers were in there or part of the hospital was used for military operations, then go in there with some ground troops or something.
Bombing hospitals, schools, and refugee camps is never OK.
We don't owe you anything
Looking at the publicly available evidence Israel destroyed entire hospitals for 12 armed guys in most cases. Basically the hospital security guards. TV News was extremely irresponsible with this reporting and they mostly just repeated whatever the IDF said. But investigative journalists have been debunking IDF claims for months now.
It's ok when you say no genocide afterwards. It's the new no homo.
If it's not genocide Netanjahu doesn't have to fear the ICC. And the fastest way to get out of this, would be to go to trial and make his case.
Makes you wonder why he's so angry about it.
What category does baby bombing fall under?
Joe cant admit theres a genocide, lest he stand in court besides Bibi as Bibi's weapons supplier and genocide enabler.
The headlines says it all about how serious we have to take his words. The ICC didn't even state "genocide" in the warrant request...
That doens't mean it isn't one. But the ICC was intelligent enough to only state war crimes we can witness without a doubt. Genocide would have the "intent" part that might complicate things at this stage.
Here is what the prosecutor stated as reasons for the arrest warrant request for Netanyahu:
But I think if the process will be allowed to continue despite US pressure "genocide" will be added to the list eventually.
His puppet country can't even defeat its own concentration camp
Maybe he's worried about being next to Bibi in the dock. Because he doesn't have much less blood on his hands in that instance.
The US would invade the Netherlands before we ever allowed a US official to stand trial at the ICJ. That isn't hyperbole, it's stated government policy.
Well. Admitting it's true, there's still all the war crime charges which are much more clear cut.
Oof. Shoot yourself in the dick why don't you.
I know, let's ask the dead people in those mass graves they're in if it's a genocide.
A country lead by an autocratic, right-wing, dubiously elected leader sees a land that he doesn't consider a country (and actually considers it part of his country) shoot rockets at him. He rallies his people to war and starts indiscriminately bombing civilians in an effort to "demilitarize" the land and rid it of it's evil leadership. Meanwhile, another foreign land keeps supplying it with missiles and the ICC is looking to arrest the right-wing leader for his killing of civilians.
In one case, that leader killed 10,000 civilians and "arrested" (kidnapped) 2,000 more. Biden is opposed to this.
In the other case 35,000 civilians were killed and 10,000 more were "arrested" (kidnapped). Biden is ok with this.
If we get another 4 years of Trump, at least we'll know why. The system just needs less people to vote for Trump to win. If we get another 4 years of Trump it's going to be Biden's fault, not mine.
Genocide Joe wouldn't want to incriminate himself
Getting caught up with semantics arguments seems like a waste of energy. Because, genocide or not, for many people impacted by any war with disproportionate power imbalance, it sure as fuck is as horrific as a genocide regardless of how one defines it. (I'm not necessarily criticizing the use of the word by some, I just think many activists get bogged down in defending the use word rather than addressing the horror.)
welp, I guess there goes my vote.
(not really, I'm not a US citizen; but if I was, I wouldn't vote for him since a good while ago already)
As a non-US-Citizen you might be unaware of the following:
All that sounds cute, but is still no excuse to simply vote Biden. If the choices in the ballot are "get killed" or "get raped", the answer is not to welcome the rapist, but to vote third party (or blank/null) and to go sharpen your guillotines. Trump already demonstrated that he doesn't respect democratic electoral statements anyway, and a 2-party system is rotten and ill-designed to the core, if he's expected to win then playing fair and square in the hopes that you "only" get raped is self-defeating. Even if Biden wins, the RNC and the KKKronies are still going to (and are already doing so, see RvW) wipe their asses on democracy and condemn the US to accelerando the slow death.
Yeah man we can recognize that, does it have to be in this thread though? This one where he's saying horrible fucking things? Is that not an appropriate time to be mad at him? When he sits there saying that murdering thousands of children isn't a crime is that not the perfect time to rebuke the man? If not now when?
Joe Biden is literally throwing this election live in front of us, and yet you put no blame on him?
Joe Biden is literally supplying an army with ammunition to murder civilians live in front of us, and yet you put no blame on him?
FTFY
I want to say he's securing his survival in the upcoming coup but that guy's fucked both ways to sunday.
OP is a well known propaganda poster, they are absolutely not representative of the community.
It’s genocide dickhead. Can’t believe I still have to vote for this mother fucker.
I appreciate you still voting though, mate. The alternative is far worse and that's terrifying that our alternative to supporting a literal genocide is even worse.
It's also not just voting against Trump.
Biden on climate is an A student. The inflation reduction act, according to basically every climate wonk, gives us a real chance at achieving necessary goals both under its regime and thanks to further future legislation it certainly unlocks. Things are looking less bad right now than they have for a long time in spite of all the worsening indicators. And it's written with intense virtuous cycles built-in that will make it VERY sticky policy once it builds up a couple of years worth of inertia. The fact that he got it past an overtly hostile senate that had at least 51 anti-science, anti-climate, fossil fuel shills turning up to vote is nothing short of a policy miracle.
Trump, on the other hand, has vowed to reverse everything that could still be reversed about the IRA (a frustratingly large amount, unfortunately, could still be undone by executive fiat thanks to its still-developing political base). He's vowed to double down on every kind of fossil fuel subsidy. He's vowed to restore coal power even though it's horrible for everyone involved and the most expensive kind of energy production. He's vowed to fight windmills just because he doesn't like their aesthetics -- literal quixotic shit.
I won't defend Biden on Israel for even one millisecond. His position is heinous. It's evil. And if he loses in November, it will almost certainly be the reason why and he'll deserve it. But it will probably also spell actual global war and apocalypse fueled by climate within all of our lifetimes. It may sound dramatic, but a Trump win will bring us from feast to famine and may spell the actual end of our civilization.
Why not vote for him, then protest for his removal after Trump is imprisoned?
God they all just fucking suck so much. Do you want the turd sandwich or the talking douche?
Yeah, this is going to be the worst vote I've ever had to cast. It really fucking sucks.
Trump is worse in this issue, and hundreds of others... But fuck them both.
Surprise, what would you expect from 50 year politician veteran?
Some fucking political tact
It is a war and an urban warfare with civilian to combatant death ratio less than 2:1, while according to civiliansinconflict.org, typical ratio is more like 10:1.
You might want to argue it is an unjustified war, but genocide it is not.
It’s genocide dickhead.
You might want to make up definitions for genocide but in 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.
It wasn’t really in question when this was published back in October. It was genocide then and it continues to be genocide.
“The UN Genocide Convention lists five acts that fall under its definition. Israel is currently perpetrating three of these in Gaza: “1. Killing members of the group. 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.””
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
Like if you squint at the numbers hard enough you cannot see starving children or murdered aid workers? Maybe that's why I keep hearing about how they're killing journalists.
It may be frustrating that these talking points don’t work on Lemmy. Better luck next genocide.
Not sure where you're getting those figures since the people keeping track of deaths were killed months ago.
Fucking ghoul
Displacement based on ethnicity and combat also counts
You uhh ... You switched those ratios around there bud.