This map from the new EU5 dev diary is making me feel things

You might not like it, but that is what peak Germany looks like

germany should have always remained like this. i want 100,000 germanys. i want germans to have to have a passport to walk 5 feet

50% of UN ambassadors being from different german countries
- 1 country, 100,000 systems

the feeling that we need a brave corsican to clean this up

"Holy" "Roman" """Empire"""

All correct at that time.
The Emperor was crowned by the Pope - hence the "holy"
The Emperor was the guardian of Rome - hence the "roman"
Germans, Italians, Burgundians, flemish, bohemians, and so on were livng in it - that made it an Empire back then, hence the "empire"
Thank you for coming to my TED talk about why you should not take quotes out of their historical context.

Why are they teasing this as a secret game, when it's either EU5, or one of their ill-fated gaiden games (March of Eagles, Sengoku, etc...) which I though PDX stopped making.

I dearly hope they stopped making shit like Sengoku.

hopefully they make rest of the world just as detailed

also the start date looks to be around 100 years earlier than eu4 which is gonna be amazing

I thought I saw a comparison of a Chinese region in EU4 and EU5, but now I can't find it.

Man I really hope this one is good. I've played a lot of EU4 and damn, that game is garbage. It's the only singleplayer game I've ever played that replicated the feeling of "that sucked, let's play another hour" that you usually only get with competitive multiplayer games

the feeling of "that sucked, let's play another hour" that you usually only get with competitive multiplayer games
I played all EU games and 4th was the one i dumped really fast, worst in the series. That damn mana thingy was incredibly annoying and gamebreaking.
- That was the reason I stayed with EU3 for a long while. Took me years to accept that mana bs.

Gonna run at 5 fps on any pc put together before 2026.

i love that 1.6 made victoria run 3x slower for me and many other people and it's just like not being addressed, thanks paradox

stylistically it looks like the imperator rome map. if i were paradox i would want to avoid that association like a plague. regardless i doubt it'll be good the way paradox is now.

Opinion especially among the more hardcore map Gamers has kinda turned on imperator. Played it with the big fan mod that mostly just ads flavor stuff to fill out the map and it was head and shoulders above ck2 vic3. The mechanics are really quite good.
- Yeah they put some work in post launch and it improved quite a bit. Plus it would be hard to be worse than EU4's "watch points go up"
- Did they add pops?
- i liked it, what's there is solid... as long as you play as rome. just like eu4 the mana point system sucks but managing ideal pop composition and different cultures and religions adds a layer of depth that the culture system in eu4 really lacks. it was mostly the lack of flavour that's the issue and i never got around to modding it. all in all it was a miss for its time and paradox learned nothing from it.

My hot take is that I actually enjoy border gore in map painting games. It makes things more visually and logistically interesting.

cool they finally made provence an HRE member and looks like they are keeping the peasant republics of dithmarschen and frisia and the later is bigger now

what is the appeal of map games? like what mechanics are people enjoying? is it wanting your build to succeed?

the map. the appeal is the map itself. definitely an aspect of number go up, but mostly that maps are beautiful.
- I think terrain is beautiful, I don't know about a mess of imaginary borders
  Personally when I fuck around with the real world map, I get a city and pick which part has the Cthulhu cultists and then I have people roll dice
There’s strategy, deceit, roleplaying, economic planning, alliance building, war, etc.
One time I tried to explain EU4 to a friend in one sitting and I definitely came off as a crazy person. I can’t think of a more complex game.
- The way it comes across in game looks about as complex as a visual novel with dice rolling
Think of it as a board game with nigh-infinitely deep mechanics that you don't need to fully understand to enjoy. You can hop in, do some basic map-painting and feel good about yourself, and then one day you look a little more closely at a menu and realize there's an entire other mechanic you've never touched that lets you squeeze just a bit more efficiency out of, only to realize there's another, and another.
Paradox games are tar traps for nerds in the best possible way. The kind of people who are good at these games make those people who play Dark Souls on a banana look like amateurs in sheer nerd-dom.
- Dark souls doesn't require any spreadsheeting if you know the core mechanics you can beat it with a shit build sorry to be annoying but comparing everything to a fighting game with rpg mechanics that gradually change weapon damage by like 4% to get over the threshold from 3 to 4 hit kill or some combo of specials and regulars thereof kinda irks me

Seeing a lot of people disliking EU4 in this thread meanwhile it's my most played game on Steam by an amazingly wide margin... I guess I didn't play any of the other EU games so I can't really compare them (something something no investigation no right to speak), but I know I really enjoy EU4 (and I do way more than HOI4 or other Paradox games I've played; though I haven't played CK and have just gotten into Vicky). Anyways, I hope EU5 will be good and not an unfinished game with beautiful maps.

when the alps have passes >>>

Hoo baby that's a lot of tasty looking OPMs

Hell yeah, this rocks

EU4 is good actually