not even gonna read this. terminally unserious topic. what Gazan state. what imperialism could they possibly have the capacity to do. you do not live in reality. you are playing with action figures and calling it politics.
In contrast to the comrade, we are convinced that Gaza is not only a national entity but that the regime in Gaza has also several functions of a bourgeois state: it collects taxes and has an army, a juridical apparatus, detention facilities, intelligence and police personal, etc. It is the Hamas de-facto administration which exercises these state functions and has, since 2005, under the direction of a highly centralised command centre, been able to fire thousands rockets into Israeli territory. There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.
Imperialism is when nations. Hamas collects taxes ergo its a nation ipso facto its imperialist. Checkmate.
But the article is right when it says that the slogan “Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” can only signify the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, “a Nakba in reverse”.
The German left has some of the most embarrassing and brainwormed "leftists" this planet has to offer. The fall of the GDR was an unmitigated disaster for Germany. All that remains is a society that's outlived its usefulness.
The distinction of Lenin between oppressor and oppressed nations is not wrong, but it does not touch upon the roots of the capitalist mode of production. Oppression and oppressed are superstructural features that have no direct relation with the basis and an abolition of a particular form of oppression has no fundamental impact on the material conditions of capitalist society.
This is so fucking wrong. Oppressed and oppressor are base features. I hate trots so much.
Social relations are indeed superstructure (i think so anyway), but it is blatantly anti-dialectical to assume that changes in the superstructure do not impact the base. And it is even more absurd to ignore such dynamics given that they are the basis of literally all revolutionary movements.
I harped on base because so much of what the Zionist entity does to Palestine - denying them food and water, bombing them 24/7, forcibly evicting them, hunting them for sport - definitely affects their ability to meet their needs materially, as well as how they go about meeting those needs. IIRC the superstructure was more social, cultural, and political aspects that arise from and reinforce the base, but I don't think superstructure refers to the relation itself.
Regardless, they ignore how one affects the other as you pointed out.
Well Lenin blah blah nothing nothing Lenin I said magic word Lenin....
Palestine doesn't exist and deserves to be trampled on because it is oppressed and not a socialist entity blah blah Religious political (what the fuck do you think is?) Blah Lenin I said Lenin Lenin Lenin.
Let me inject my bullshit pulled out of my ass shit and inject Lenin Lenin Lenin odut of context and without relevance.
So is "T" from Germany a or an AI prompt or a dirty Hasbara?
It's easy to get confused on this one, but T from Germany is actually the one arguing that Palestine should be supported in its anti-imperialist struggle.
The ICC reply (though I like how they do try to reply genuinely and honestly) boils down to "but the palestinian government is/would be capitalist too, so...."
This is the very bad form of class reductionism, the idea that oppression/genocide/etc doesn't matter and isn't imperialism because it's not fundamentally along class lines.
Sure thing, ICC, but I don't think the people of Palestine are in any position to do any revolutions while under the iron thumb of the US and Israel. Nor do I think many people will view communist organisations positively if they sit by, ambivalent about genocide.
I remember back in the day when I thought the funny jokes and memes about leftcoms not wanting to get out of their chairs while they oppose praxis was just an exaggeration, but throughout the years these fuckers have really shown it to be very much true.
One part “false assumption that all actors are on equal footing and power level,” one part “confusing personal moral feelings for best geopolitical outcomes.”
This reminds me of the positions of the major left groups in the city I used to live in. When I disagreed with them they were yelling at me that Hamas IS fascist and that settler colonialism is not a useful construct as it "divides workers" and Palestinians and Israelis need to unite, etc. It pisses me off that this chauvinism is so common with the orgs in my area and the West and they talked over anyone who disagreed. They even spoke over Palestinian voices present to tell them that there is a difference between their resistance and "useful" resistance.
From my experience on october 7th there was two types of white leftists, first condemned Hamas because they throw women off of buildings, the other supported Hamas even though they throw women off of buildings, everyone else was confused why they thought Hamas throws women off of buildings.
The fight of the oppressed or even the elimination of oppression of Palestinians, Blacks or women – if this would ever be possible under capitalism - does not abolish this very system. On the contrary, as is the case with the Palestinians, we can even expect that their “liberation” from the oppressing Israeli regime, if it ever succeeded at all, would most certainly lead to an oppressive regime like the other Islamic states in the region and thus not to the undermining of capitalism – not to mention its abolition.
the regime in Gaza has also several functions of a bourgeois state: it collects taxes and has an army, a juridical apparatus, detention facilities, intelligence and police personal, etc. It is the Hamas de-facto administration which exercises these state functions and has, since 2005, under the direction of a highly centralised command centre, been able to fire thousands rockets into Israeli territory. There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.
But the article is right when it says that the slogan “Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” can only signify the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, “a Nakba in reverse”.
In this sense there is indeed no difference between the nationalism of Israel and the nationalism of Palestine: both ideologies are a cover for the drive to war and for the repression of the working class by the bourgeois state.
Ah yes, the imperialist state of gaza, which isn't even allowed control of its own imports, exports or borders. That imperialist state which exploits foreign nations such as, uh, .... Well no matter. I'm sure even if they are not imperialist in practice, they are imperialist at heart, or something.