New York sees largest population decline of 50 states in 2023: census

if you can work remotely then why live in a closet?

In order to live next to all the city stuff? Some people like cities after all, and more space is more space to clean
- I am so country that the only time I ever visited a city I got vertigo and couldn’t look in any direction but down.
  It wasn’t even a huge city. It was Charlotte NC.
  When I was a kid I dreamed of going to a city and playing music and being a part of the culture.
  The girls got to me though and I have instead repopulated a rural area. :p
  I have 7 kids, 2 adopted, 5 biological.
  My guitar is used almost exclusively to play Yellow Submarine and sing the family’s names in place of yellow. “We all live in little Abby’s submarine, in mommy’s submarine, in daddy’s submarine.”
  My youngest thinks Beatlemania is still a thing. First thing every morning. “Daddy, I want my Beatles.” Sister comes in swinging demanding Pinkfong.
The literal endless abundance of things to do. Idc if my place is a closet if I'm never in it. Obviously if you're raising a 5 person family it's harder, but if you're solo or DINK then why wouldn't you
- Solo converting to DINK here, and for me, after spending years in a city, basically while there's tons to do in a city, there's only a relatively small portion of it that I actually want to do.
  Combine that with my love of outdoor hobbies which are all farther from me while living in a city...
  And at this point, for me, it's more about finding the smallest city that offers me most of what I like about cities while being small enough that I lose as much of the negatives as possible, with bonus points for a city that's small enough for me to live on the edges, where I can have a house with a yard and a garage, while being within a 10 minute drive of city center, but also less than 30 minutes from outdoor recreation opportunities.
  I'm also at the age where "stay home" is often my preferred choice of thing to do, so having a spacious, comfortable home where I can enjoy living is a major consideration. A 500 sqft 1BR that I share with a roommate or two ain't cutting it.
  Different people like different things, and while cities provide a lot, there's also a lot they don't.
- pollution, noise, lack of nature, and depending on the city crime and corruption
New York is a huge state. Why would you need to live in a closet?
- Nearly half the state population is in NYC alone. Expand that out to the nyc metropolitan area within New York, and you’re getting close to 3/4 of the state population.
  It’s quite reasonable to assume that the vast majority of the folks that left New York were leaving NYC.

Blue states going down, red states going up. The electoral college will fuck us all.

Outside of NYC, NY is a red state. But will 100,000 have that great an influence on the electoral college? It doesn't sound like a lot in a population of 19 million.
- There are pockets of NY, outside of NYC, that are blue. The big areas that are red are mostly rural counties. But land doesn't vote, people do, so it doesn't matter if 1,000 people in a huge area vote red when 100,000 people in a small city vote blue.
  You're right that NYC helps keep us blue, but they aren't the only ones. In 2020, NY voted for Biden over Trump 60.8% to 37.7%. If we removed NYC's counties, NY would have still voted for Biden, but at a much closer 52.4% to 45.9%.
- The geographic majority of Washington state is red, but the state is consistently blue. Because land doesn’t vote.
- Not alone. It would have to lose ~3% relative to other states to lose a vote. However, this is just one year and southern states are all gaining people at twice the rate New York is losing them, so theoretically a blue vote could be flipping to a red vote every few years just from the amount of people leaving blue states.
  Note that when New York loses Congressional seats, the legislature will presumably gerrymander them such that the Republicans in New York are eliminated, so it shouldn't affect Congress at all.
It depends on who is moving. It doesn’t help Dems to run up the score in California and New York, so having people leave might actually help. If some of those educated progressive knowledge workers move to cities in the south, it could make a huge difference.
- Nice take.
  I saw the map and had the same dismal overall reaction but this is a very valid point!
Unless blue people moving to Texas and Florida flip those states blue, in which case red might be done for good.
Unless it causes red states to flip blue. GA and AZ are examples of that happening.
- I hope so, but my experience in Tennessee is that only the conservatives are leaving California and moving here.

If the people equivalent to the entire population of Wyoming moved out of New York, most people wouldn't notice.

- How do we even know it is there right now? We should create something like is-wyoming-still-there.com to keep an eye on it.

Moving to states that have banned abortion, smart move dumbasses.

Believe it or not, people might not always have abortion at the top of their list when they're moving. In fact I'm willing to bet cost of living is near the top of their list.
- Spot on. Migration is a major factor in affecting political change anyway.
  Some of these comments are so out of touch. The irony is that people who blanket support pro choice will go extinct as they abort more of their children over time or don't reproduce at all (the people above you in this chain). Conservative people don't abort (now by law) - their population will grow. Thus more anti-abortion laws will happen.
It's people moving from places where they actually want to live (because of qol) to places where they can afford to live. Though it'd be interesting to see like a "true" cost of living for these places.
Yeah I don't get that at all. I had several female co-workers who accepted relocation packages to Texas when my company offered them right when Texas started passing anti-abortion laws.
I figured it was none of my business to ask why they did but man...they are either really smart and wanting to flip the state blue or they aren't thinking it's going to affect them.
No amount of money would make me want to move to Texas or Florida, or anywhere the Alt-right has a strong political hold
- They don’t think it will happen to them.
  Yknow despite literally all metrics of quality of life, health, and safety being even worse in red states than the already pathetic US average.
  Why is it that every conservative leaning government worldwide is currently in a self destructive spiral while socialist societies are getting better and better in all measurable metrics?
  Curious.
- My guess is that they have the means (funds, paid time off) to travel out of state, if needed.
- Having just moved from Texas to the north east, people in the northeast are clueless to how bad it actually is.
They’re moving to states that have the same views as them. Good for them.
How do you think political change happens in the first place? Not to mention how bad must life be in NY, a way more progressive state to want to move somewhere like Texas.
- NY != NYC, much of New York state is conservative hell

I was wondering what would happen to gentrified neighborhoods once they ratched up the cost of living so high that the gentrifiers couldn't afford it.

Louis Rossmann would be proud.

I'm curious how many people are just leaving the US entirely. Technically this probably wouldn't represent it since expats are still counted as a resident of whatever state you lived in last untill you revoke your citizenship.

The social services and community involvement are better in Indiana than they were (and appear to still be, though I no longer have direct experience there) in WNY. Health insurance was better in NY, though. If I go back to die there, it will only be for the sake of nostalgia and not any belief that the remainder of my life would be better.

Depends heavily where you are. If it's not Indy, ft Wayne, Lafayette, Bloomington, or Terre Haute (maybe Evansville?), IN is pretty craptastic in both those regards. At least that has been my 35 years of experience.
Little towns got shitty roads and hospitals I wouldn't enter unless I were actively dying. Not to mention the abhorrent under funding of police / fire / education that is rampant... But all my kids family lives here so I'm here too lol.

moving to places in the south because initially was cheaper and driving up prices such as property taxes for the ones already there

At least they're presumably turning red places purple

I moved from Maryland to Western New York in 2023. Apparently me and my family weren't enough to move the needle.

Room rents too high I guess.

Well duh they have to be quick. If they're not gonna steal the houses someone else will.

https://youtu.be/KNqozQ8uaV8

That population loss, driven by the pandemic, effectively wiped out nearly three-quarters of the population gains made during the prior decade.

Pandemic hit the city hard and people do not want to go back for overpriced closets.

Watch Rossman Repair’s ordeal trying to rent a shop in NYC ultimately leaving the state.

Huh. We've been considering moving to upstate NY from central CA, promarily due to ecological factors like climate, air quality, and what seems like the threat of eternal drought. I like central California well enough, but I'm dead sick of 117 degree Augusts and casually living with air quality that makes your eyes water.

Anyone got some insight on why NY lost so much population?

People are moving to states that build

Because companies don't want to build in places with strong labor protections.
- Texas built more clean energy last year than California and it's not even close

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I have a strong gut feeling that cities will become as dystopian sci-fi foretold. Elite only zones, private police forces etc.

That is part of the draw of moving to a place like Florida. You can live in a private corporation rather than a town, so the corporation can do things like hire private security and ensure and collective amenities only get used by those who own a part of the community.

Sounds about right. Crushing taxes and stiffling of liberties will do that.

I'm Canadian so I'm really asking this genuinely, but which liberties are being crushed in NY that aren't in other states?
- Back then in NY, I could get a hotdog, peanuts, and a kabob from three different food carts.
  But now, some of these food carts are now clustered together instead of being a block or two apart!
  Worse, some of these carts are offering Sriracha instead of Tabasco!
  It's easily the fall of mankind here in NY.
- I don't know OP, but I won't be surprised at all if it's something about guns.
- I would say the stop and frisk scandal was pretty bad. I don't live there though and a lot of people moving out probably are tired of the economic inequality more than anything else.
- For clarity reasons I would like to start by saying most of my knowledge is based on New York City and not the state as a whole, though most of the people in the state live in the city so this is alright in my eyes. New York City currently is one of the most bloated budgets in terms of taxes in the country. With all if those people presumably paying taxes for the city they live in you would think they wouldn’t have to charge each person so much to live there. NYC has a rampant homeless issue, and an overbudgeted, militarized police force to deal with them and normal citizens. Even with such a big police force they can’t do shit about the crime in the city. Ghettos in the burbs have little police presence because they don’t want to deal with the actual crime in the city, they would rather take the easy route of bullying homeless people trying to sleep. Speaking of crime in the city, overregulation on firearms ensure only criminals have access to anything, plus they do not have a right to stand ground law, leaving New Yorkers with one option if they were to be robbed at gun point. New York politicians would rather earn brownie points with constituants than do anything useful, leading to nothing happening and normal people suffering, and then leaving.
- Gun rights is the easiest example
- And New Jersey even increased its population.
- Compared to NYC, New Jersey is overall cheaper to live in. For the people who really need to live in the big apple but want to move out of its tax reach New Jersey is the best and only option they have.
Give me your top 3 American places to live, where taxes are fair and liberties flow freely in all directions--I'm looking to move soon
- New Hampshire and apparently Maine I've heard
- Though it’s losing population on this map, West Virginia is nice if you’re okay with the rural towns and stuff. Montana is nice with the same drawbacks, and Tennessee has three major population areas with low income taxes, but high property taxes, but that’s alright since property out there is cheap snd big.
- Virginia? Vermont also has a lot of freedom with guns and weed if that's your thing but there aren't many jobs.
Not sure one example is representative (sure not, but alas) - anyone watching Louis Rossman (MacBook repair expert) knows he left NY with disgust, and now runs his business in another state