Man Gets 100 Years for Accidentally Killing His 8-Year-Old Daughter While Trying to Shoot His 18-Year-Old Son

Thankfully no guns were hurt during the incident.

-Republicans probably

The problem is there wasn't a nearby cop that could have shot everyone, that would have sold the problem.
- I don't know if they had the complexion to be shot in self defense by a cop though.
- How white are the people involved?
Republicans actually: lol stupid fuck, glad I'm not a loser like this guy!

This is so American. From the availability of firearms, to their immediate use upon a perceived threat, to the economic situation that would have him evicted, to the insane sentence of 100 years for a 66 year old who needs an oxygen tank. Just sad all around.

I don't think 100 years is insane, it's life without parol without actually saying it. He shot two people tried to shoot another and actually killed the youngest.
- Other countries don't follow the punitive approach to criminal law, but rather a reformative. With the facts we are presented with it actually seems more like a failure of society instead of just one man. The sentence is absolutely ridiculous.
who needs an oxygen tank.
My first thought upon seeing that mugshot was that a lawyer might be playing up health issues for sympathy. That's how American this is. Source: American. Sorry, USA. The rest of the continents do not deserve our shit reputation, problems aside.
- That does happen, but this person does seem to have confirmed medical issues.

It’s okay, just now on the news I saw that a man successfully shot and killed his 21 year old son, so the universe is now balanced.

clearly this 8 year old and that 21 year old should have been packing
- Obviously. The solution is always more guns.
- the only thing that can stop a bad senior with a gun is a good toddler with a gun
- Caught'em slipping.
Not really. Going to need a 8yo girl to shoot a boomer now
- Will two 5 y.o. that shot their grandmothers by accident do?
- I mean at least let's enjoy what few benefits comes of sauteeing society in arms.
- Probably be fiddled by a priest and write a tell all novel about it.
  Goddamn, am I disenfranchised.l
  There was a time you could write a scifi story about aliens who made contact, but they spoke via drugs.
  I'm just bitter, I guess.

Why didn't the 8 year old have a gun to defend herself with? That's the only thing that could have saved her life!

This is incorrect : she was accidentally shot by a good guy with a gun, who missed and shot the wrong person.
FTFY
The people downvoting you are the same people that argue that if we arm more people, we can solve the gun problem. And each downvote is an acknowledgement that their argument is garbage.
- It's the weather. The cause of gun violence is the weather. You learned it here first, folks. Weather = gun violence.
- Or maybe it's people that think this sort of rhetoric is tasteless when talking about an event where a kid died.
  Yes, the man should never have had access to a firearm. But a child died for having the misfortune to be born to this sack of shit. That's the takeaway here. Not some opportunity to try and stick it to the strawmen in your head.
  These sort of "hot takes" are nothing more then mental masturbation, looking for validation from people who already share your own beliefs.
  Seriously take a step back and think about the fact that you just built up some fucking narrative to place yourself as the hero against a horde of people lesser than yourself. That's your response to this news.
  You sure showed all the pro gun jackasses! They definitely are bothered by your post and absolutely seething! Whatever makes you feel like you've done the superior thing and that you think the right things to think.
  Your views aren't wrong, you're just being a tool.
  A child is dead, and you're more invested in finding a way to feel superior to others than anything else. Fuck everything about that.

So this article makes it seem like he's got dementia and was under the spell of a delusion when shooting his partner & daughter. But it's written so vaguely that it's hard to know for sure. So I found another article that seems to be much more clear about what happened:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/who-is-tony-louis-valez-father-sentenced-to-100-years-in-prison-for-killing-daughter-while-shooting-wife-and-son/ar-AA1jkw2q

TL;DR: 66-year-old man is in rough shape; has Hepatitis B, Emphysema, and COPD, and needs an oxygen tank. His partner (a much younger woman), their daughter together (8 years old), and his son from a previous marriage (18) all came to his house. The article doesn't say what happened in the conversation, but he apparently became enraged thinking they were trying to get him out of the house. My guess is that they were trying to get him to go into a care facility due to his many, many ailments.

Dude saw red, grabbed a gun, and started blasting. Shot his partner, then tried shooting his son, missed, and hit his 8-year-old daughter in the back as she was running away from him.

So it sounds much less like dementia (though that could still very well be a factor), and more like a miserable piece of shit reaching for a gun first to solve all of his problems.

Paradoxically he ended up in a sort of care facility. Some "care" but maybe not the care he needed
Honestly, the facto that he could have had dementia and still could access a gun is not really the better option, is it?
- I'm not saying it's better or worse, just that it would be a different story. Dementia changes people. My grandmother went through it; she was an incredibly sweet person before Alzheimer's, and then once she started sunsetting, she became vindictive and paranoid. Thought people were plotting against her or trying to poison her.
  I posted this update because the original article was really badly written, and it was hard to figure out what actually happened.
It can be both, though. He could be a sack of shit who is now going through dementia.
I mean, of course it's related to mental health, no psychopathic idiot has ever owned a gun and misused it.
In other worlds….
America.

Fuck guns

Fuck religion, alcohol, politics, financial inequality, unaffordable health care and brain dead sports fans.
- Yes, but fuck guns extra hard.
- I could marry you
- But fuck politics IS politics. Fuck everything else is politics too.
- Those too.
  Except politics, that makes no sense. Politics is literally public debate. You don't like people trying to solve their problems through open discourse?
- Religion is kinda fire ngl
Seems kinda dangerous.

wtaf?

Valez believed that two women had come to the house to evict him and he lost his temper

so… how did that relate to his partner and son?

so confused

daughter in law and his partner were the two women maybe?
article is kinda bad
yet another shining example of the kind of quality republican needed to prove the value of the second amendment
- Republicans prove the value of the second amendment everytime they open their mouths.
  Trump is the greatest argument I’ve seen for it.
  (Just… for the record… I’m generally pro gun control.)
- But he tried to shoot his son? Lmao
- Man did his patriotic duty, shooting his useless kids. Semper fi.
- Daughter-in-law? Where’s that coming from?

Boomers don't need guns.

Dementia + lethal weapons. Terrible combination.

Pretty much no one in rich countries need guns these days, no matter the generation.
- It's really depressing. Yesterday I packed out an order for a hidden magnetic gun holder.
  Like great. That is wonderful. Someone out there, possibly a paranoid deranged asshole, wants to keep a presumably loaded gun under their bedside table or desk...
- Spend some time in Alaska before making comments like this.
don’t forget drugs, tons of drugs
- As something they need more or less of?
  Because with the right dose of sedatives I can't imagine this story happening at all.
- that’s the only explanation that makes sense
They are buying so many of them now too. My dad keeps buying guns, doesn't hunt, just preparing like the "news" he watches fears him to.
Not all boomers. They had hippies too
- A lot of old, former hippies vote Republican these days, unfortunately.
- If they were really hippies, would they willingly have firearms? That seems very unusual for them.

I am confused by the way this is reported. Did he mistake his son and his ex-partner to be officers who had come to evict him and shoot at them? Or did he hold them responsible for his looming eviction?

Anyway, US really need better gun control. Looks like any nutjob can get a gun there. It is tragic to see a young life ending this way.

Also the fact a mentally healthy person can snap in the heat of the moment.
If there's a gun nearby that can be all it takes.
- Death by cop is quite popular in the States.
That is ridiculous, let's take a hypothetical example and replace guns with red buttons that fire nuclear missiles- why should responsible nuclear missile button owners have their rights to own nuclear missile buttons be infringed by the actions of a few nuclear missile button owning crazies? Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, there's plenty of perfectly normal everyday situations where owning nuclear missile buttons make absolute sense and is in fact to be considered a patriotic duty. So said musket wielding men in wigs 250 years ago, and dang nabbit, so we all say still!

A quote from the judge according to the article:

"I just can't believe being evicted would justify picking up a handgun in that small of a space with children present"

What I find particularly concerning about this is that this implies that being evicted would justify picking up a handgun provided you're not in an enclosed space with children present. Why in the actual fuck would there be any further qualification after "I just can't believe being evicted would justify picking up a handgun". Full stop. You're being evicted. You fucked up. Firearms don't belong in that conversation at all with the only possible exception I can think of being if you are being directly and illegally threatened with a firearm.

Ugh.

They were just listing all of the reasons why it was a bad idea, not qualifying each reason as "okay if the other ones didn't occur".
- Look, if it's an enclosed space with children present it's okay as long as the rent has been paid in full.
I can fully see your inference, but don't believe that the judge meant it that way. This was more lamenting the senselessness of the entire situation.
Another way to look it at is that there are situations in which picking up a handgun in a small space with children present is justified; however, being evicted is not one of them.
Agree to disagree
Isn't that the story of Palestine?

Let's be real, he intended to shoot everyone. He's dodging his intent to murder a child before being put in with inmates who will know that.

He's supposed to be one of the "good guys" with a gun?

Well he was definitely a guy with a gun. So he was at least half way there I think.
- That's two out of three!
Those kids could easily grow up to be school shooters, so he's really just a hero before his time.
No?
- It's a rhetorical question. No one is.

Good thing there are guns everywhere so a momentary burst of anger turns into a permanent tragedy.

So, Republicans... Where was the good guy with a gun to stop this guy?

This is what libertarian thought does to a person. People lose all sense of perspective.

It's like gaslighting yourself. Huffing it hard. I honestly think it has to do with lower intelligence. You simplify things until they make sense to you, regardless if they make sense in actual reality, because you're too stupid to comprehend anything more complex than racist Disney cartoons from the 30's.
- Virtually every libertarian I know thinks that he's a fucking genius, especially the really stupid ones.
- There's an amazing book. Combatting Cult Mind Control, but even intelligent people fall for this bullshit because it's all emotional manipulation.
- I think a lot of it is clever people who for whatever reason learned to fear thinking and all their brain mass has evolved to help them justify not doing it

Valez believed that two women had come to the house to evict him

Did 2 women come to the house? Was he just hallucinating? Was he on drugs? The story is not very clear.

He shot one of his children while aiming for another of his children, story seems pretty straight-forward to me.
- He believed 2 women had come to his door to evict him. Did 2 women come to the door? It just says he believed they did. Was he hallucinating? The story doesn't explain that, which was my point.

- Dumbass dad.

Is that pixel?

Out shitty society created this situation. People need a secure place to live, and we need proper social securities in place.

And guns need to be regulated.

They would add more years if they could, obviously. Kinda reminiscent of mediaeval people digging up dirtbags to put them on trial again. When you hate someone ...

Montana seems bout right

Whatcha wanna bet he checks off all the usual red flags? Trump supporter, antivax, racist, the works. The O2 hose might be COVID related. Though even if not that dude will probably be dead from medical something way before he qualifies for parole.

But of course when corporations do this, they are not dissolved or closed for 100 years.

A corporation shot an 8 year old while trying to shoot an 18 year old? Corporations suck and I'm not defending them in any way, but it seems like a weird comparison to make.
- I mean, there's that whole Banana hit squad thing. Also all those Amazonian tribes murdered for their land to deforest. That's some corporate bs that didn't get anyone closed or punished. Not exactly the same, but close enough.
- Chiquita. Banana republics. Check them death tolls.
- Amazon?

oh no i shouldn't be laughing

As long as our military budget is measured in trillions of dollars I think we can afford to feed even this scumbag on the . 0000001% off-chance that he's not guilty. It kind of sucks, don't get me wrong, but IMHO the death penalty isn't the answer. Not only do I feel like even one wrongful execution is far too many, I also feel like in some ways a quick and painless death is sort of going easy. I say make him live out the rest of his natural born life as a prisoner that will have this on his conscious, provided he has one, for the rest of his days.