Democrats now openly attack Mamdani

Nice, I think this is the most honest confirmation that Mamdani is in fact the best candidate.

They're really gonna fuck him like Sanders huh

Democrats are more scared of the left than Nazis.

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Glances at Eric Adams
Some of those that work forces...
- sometimes ya gotta......
As (neo)liberals, they stand to lose a lot if real leftists were ever in control.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
Well they are still on X which is owned by a guy who does Nazi salutes and whose AI chat bot calls himself Mecha Hitler _{(over giga Jew, but still wrong choice)}
So they will stay on that platform but won’t vote for this guy, yeah your comment rings pretty true
F A C T S

I love how this asshole talks about "cannibalizing support" when he's openly against the officially recognized Democratic nominee for mayor.

What a fucking joke. I hope to fuck he gets primaried too. We need to stop letting these corpo democrats suck up all the oxygen in the room.

How did he manage to stay relevant after his approval rating dropped to 27% in 2009?
- Because democrat leadership is powerhungry controlled opposition. Same reason they didn't release the Epstein files either.
  in case you forgot: https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/

Why even have primaries??

If they don't respect the candidate elected in the primaries, then the party has to go. I ain't voting blue no matter who any more. I fell for that these last 3 elections and look how far that took us.
To undermine the actual elections.

The "lesser-evil" party. The lesser part maybe true but so is the evil part.

The lesser part maybe true but so is the evil part.
Always has been, otherwise it wouldn't be called the "lesser-evil" party, it'd be called the "good" party.
We've known for decades (and I do mean everyone by 'we', I'm not even American) that the democrats are also corporate bootlickers. It's just that their policies tend to be less anti-human generally. For a while, it was clear: Vote dem, get some consumer protections and slow improvements in healthcare, LGBT rights, etc. Vote republican, get every good thing repealed and new anti-consumer, anti-lgbt, anti-healthcare legislation introduced. Now the dems want to cater to the right for votes and the "lesser" part of "lesser evil" is starting to diminish. They're still the lesser evil, but they're also more in the way of true progress than ever.

Democratic leadership is controlled opposition, there's no other way to say it

Even Jon Stewart said it this past Monday.

Just like the Republican factions in The Spanish Civil War attacking each other for having the wrong ideology while the Fascists tightened their grip.

Was one of the Spanish Republican factions fascist?
- With a wide brush you can paint the picture like this: The Republicans were left wing communists (or at least they wanted a democratic republic) and the Nationalists were right wing fascists.
  Nationalists won and they had a dictator (Franco) in Spain from 1939 to 1975.

They are gonna hand the election to the GOP because they refuse to fucking retire and let a new generation make decisions.

The DNC is just as culpable for both Trump terms as the GOP voters imo.

The DNC already handed the election to Trump. And now that a leftist gets any momentum the DNC are still doing everyhing in their power to prevent leftists from winning.
- And they're flubbing it so hard, which is half the joke of all this.
  Cuomo was a shoe-in, according to the polls, two months before the election. The dude was going to walk into Gracie Mansion without breaking a sweat. Then Mamdani - a virtual unknown State Senator out of Astoria - gets a bit of traction with his campaign platform and a ton of hate from the Zionist national media. Suddenly, this dark horse candidate is on everyone's TV screens. He's the center of the national fight over the Gaza genocide. And he's getting up on the TV to say things like "Buses should be free at point of use" and "Maybe we could get grocery store prices down if we ran them like the Post Office", which are the crazy left-wing ideas that nobody else is suggesting.
  He's glad-handing Brad Lander after the man is bullied by ICE. He's talking about housing reform in one of the most expensive places to live in the country. He's getting car bomb threats from a guy who doesn't know he takes the subway to work. All the worst people you know hate him.
  Wins by 12 points. Obama didn't have it this good.
It’s not really a generational thing.
The DNC has been bought by the donor class. They operate under the (not insane) belief that they need huge sums of money to win elections.
Mamdani makes the donors unhappy, it’s as simple as that.
Mamdani is around the same age Pete Buttigieg was when he started getting into the national spotlight. Buttigieg doesn’t threaten the donor class, so full support. Fun memes and tweets about him going on Fox News and making a host look like a fool.
You see any popular candidate get crapped on by the DNC, go read what the candidate wants to do and ask yourself a simple question “does this threaten the wealth of the donor class?” If the answer is yes you are guaranteed that the DNC establishment are going to be fighting that candidate.
- The DNC and the top of the party would MUCH rather lose to the Fascists across the aisle they have a corpo bribe sharing agreement with than win with a candidate that campaigns on bringing accountability to those wealthy bribers.
  Or to put it another way, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer would lock arms with Republicans and treat President AOC, for example, the way most Democrat voters wish they were treating Trump. Scorched earth, not a single meeting, not a single appointment, just bill after bill trying to strip all Presidential power until a hypercapitalist sits in the chair again.
  Neoliberals are much closer to Republicans than they are to anything resembling a leftwing, politically. The only thing that separates them is not actively pointing and laughing at you when they hurt you to line their pockets, they just shrug, call it market forces, and hand you an affirmation ribbon you can neither eat nor live inside.
  Which is why this nation is beyond repair and we need to force collapse and start over, with a constitution barring capital markets and any profit sharing that isn't tied to working/laboring for what's being profited from. Speculative investment is cancer that breeds sociopathy, division, and death ☠️. No neoliberal or fascist is against the for profit deathcare confidence scheme we call American healthcare for all but the wealthy. They're both paid to defend it from us.
They are gonna hand the election to the GOP because they ~~refuse to fucking retire~~ are beholden to and allied with the 1%
FTFY.
One of the youngest members of congress is Kyrsten Sinoma. Its not age, its that they're trusted to protect the interests of capital.
- One of the youngest members of congress is Kyrsten Sinoma.
  Kyrsten Sinema. And she declined to run for reelection, ceding the primary to Ruben Gallego (slightly younger, at 45) who looked good-ish on paper a couple years ago. But now he's fallen in with the Crypto-Bros, he's been seen taking money from the Qatars, and he's otherwise indistinguishable from any of the other pro-war, corporate-friendly Schumer style liberal Democrats.
  they’re trusted to protect the interests of capital.
  The irony of it all is how we're immolating our industrial base and flinging trillions into tech sector lucid dreams in a way suggests a very bleak future for actual physical capital in the country.
this ain't new https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/

So "blue no matter who" and "the time for debate is during the primary" is only meant to benefit corporatist, war-hawk candidates?? I'm shocked, I tells ya.

Its clear that Democrats are now the center (maybe center-right) party and there is no mainstream liberal party in the US

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/
have been for quite some time now
My friends from Canada have been saying this since the Obama years
I think the last one was probably Bill Clinton? Pretty much since 9/11, America has moved towards the right and continues to do so. The Overton window had shifted so much for America over the last few decades.
- Clinton was just as much a neoliberal as Reagan. He gets a pass though because was charismatic and was the president during the dot-com boom/bubble.
- I think the last one was probably Bill Clinton?
  Clinton kicked off the whole mess with his constant triangulation.
- I think the last one was probably Bill Clinton?
  LOL, wut? Bill Clinton said "The era of big government is over." then proceeded with the largest dismantling of the federal welfare state until maybe now.
- The last vaguely leftist president was Carter.

The Hillarycrats Ride Again!

"Democrats will be doing a disservice [...] if they don't come together and decide to support whichever candidate has the most support among them"...

what do you think a primary election is? it is literally seeing who has the most support among democrats. so this guy is the one who is doing the disservice of not deciding to support Zohran

Yeah but the people don't know who they want. The DNC knows who the people want. This is why I nominate Hillary Clinton as NYC mayor.
- yeah, let's stop "cannibalizing each other's support" by attacking the nominee and giving support to others. very sound strategy, mr paterson.
  sheessh. can't he SEE that the democrats need new blood
- It’s been so fucking ridiculous to watch the US left spend three decades just completely buying into the conservative smear job against the Clintons. Just licking up every drop of the trash they’ve fed you.
  Perfect? Not by a long shot. But you’ll be goddamn lucky to ever get another president as qualified and capable as Bill or Hillary ever again.
oh for as long as it’s been a thing, primaries are simply a way for the owning classes to convince themselves they manufactured enough consent. when it fails them they pull this crap and it will all be forgotten when the next season’s newest life changing emergency drops.
For DNC democrats are the donors and most probably AIPAC. Democrat citizenry are not the target for them.
For AIPAC Mamdani is antithesis to Israel, which is much more important than US.
I was thinking this myself.
Yeah, but socialists don't count, obviously. \s

Maybe finally people will start getting it in their heads that the current Democratic party - aside from the obvious outliers, Bernie, AOC, Warren etc - is not acting in their best interests...

I really don't understand why Warren keeps being put in the company of Bernie or AOC.
Bernie and AOC are leftists (center left), and Warren is firmly center right at best.
- I really don’t understand why Warren keeps being put in the company of Bernie or AOC.
  For the same reason Corporate Dems kept screaming "Biden is the most progressive candidate since FDR!" at any left-liberal who would give them the time of day. She's not a serious politician. She's a fence post. This is how far the party is allowed to go and absolutely no further.
  You put Warren in with Bernie and AOC today. Then, when we get another Hillary or a Buttigieg or whatever on the ticket in 2028, you can tell progressives "See? Warren is being reasonable and joining with the very popular center of the party. They have progressive cred. Idk wtf Bernie and AOC are on anymore. They've clearly gone off the deep end. Besides, Bernie is a misogynist and I think I heard AOC is part Chinese. And don't even think about voting for the Green Party. They're all a bunch of KGB-infiltrated Russians."
- You know what, you're right. I only mentioned her because of that right to repair thing she promoted. To be honest I always thought that the right thing to do would be for her to just endorse Bernie in a united front against Hilary instead of splitting the vote and capitalizing on those sexists who wanted to vote for a woman instead of an old white man.

This whole situation has been the final straw for me and my support of the Democratic party. I used to think they were just incompetent and disorganized but this has shown that they are perfectly willing to openly sell our country to fascists to keep someone who is actually going to make a change for the positive out. I have never seen the democratic party unify so solidly behind anything other than hating on this guy.

They also unified around hating bernie and let trump win
They are extremely competent and organized, just not for you. Welcome to reality.
No joke. Fuck'em. I'd sooner throw my lot in with actual leftists than have it be counted for these useful idiots and Vichy assholes that capitualte to fascism daily.
If they actually gave a fuck about fascism like they claim they'd be doing real shit with real people. Out in the streets leading the charge like the leaders they're supposed to be. At most you get a speech and "good luck with all that stuff I'm off to the next comfy event I have scheduled"
Instead they "try" with bullshit hearings - that only serve as sound bite harvesting sessions - and bullshit bills - that they know won't amount to anything anyway. They only care that their select faction of rich fucks aren't the ones benefit the most of all the rich fucks. They only care that the bombs, cages, trampling of rights, and preventable deaths aren't under their command.
If they didn't secretly love fascism, they'd be out telling people how to arm themselves and build solidarity in their communities. They'd be telling people how to protect themselves and those around them from the violence of the state. Instead it's a lot of "trust in the system and make sure you vote again ❤️🏳️‍🌈✊✊🏿 oh yeah and be back to work on Monday, we got more bombs to drop"
These aren't your folks, my dudes.

I don't understand.

Mamdani is bad for New York because of what Trump has done?

While simultaneously using Trumpspeak?

Unity will allow the democrats to prevail?

A glob of unified uselessness is just as useless

Nooo you can't do economic populism to win an election you're support to run solely on identity politics and protect the billionaire class! - Democrats.

Mamdani: It's about the policies

Democrats: Gee whiz, you ran such a good campaign

Voters: It's about the policies

Democrats: Gosh, if only centrists could find such a charismatic guy.

They think everyone but them is so stupid. It's infuriating that the system is set up so we're forced to work with these twats.

We found that charismatic centrist they're looking for. His name is Barack Obama, and we're still dealing with the fallout of him campaigning on "change" and failing to deliver.

Because of Obama I had health insurance. Because of Obama I was not in medical bankruptcy.
But then again that was almost 10 YEARS AGO. Blaming a black American man for White Backlash is so American it hurts.
- Because of Obama the banks got bailed out.
- The last time a non-change candidate won a presidential election in the US was 2004. No president since Obama has had enough of a majority in congress to enact meaningful change, and it was squandered. It's not entirely his fault, but as the leader of the Democrats at the time he takes the plurality of responsibility. The ACA started off as a change that could have fixed healthcare in the US but got watered down into propping up a fundamentally broken system.
  Trying to deflect a politicians legitimate failures as racism or sexism is so Democrat it hurts. Yes, racism and sexism played a part in Trump winning, but discontent with the status quo pushed him over the finish line. If racism and sexism alone are enough to fuel the Trump regime and keep it in power, then I guess it's time to flee the country, because we're a lost cause.
- He can have done some good and still have been bad overall.
Barack... Obama? Oh! You mean Captain Drone Strikes?
Gosh, if only centrists could find such a charismatic guy.
The Overton window has moved so far right that the DNC only has humorless executives and dead faced lawyers left as candidates.
- I think you mean right

By this guys logic shouldn’t he be supporting the winner of the primary and admonishing those who say they will vote 3rd party instead of the other way around?

I'm actively telling dem politicians to remove me from their stupid fundraising lists over this. Hell if a dem has offered anything but open support for Mamdani I will not even entertain the possibility of donating.

As long as Democrats block popular leftist policy they are no better than the Republicans.

If a party only allows policy that consolidates wealth into the hands of the rich then it is useless to workers.

overton window. US democrats are not considered democrats in other western countries. You have no "left" party worth voting for.
Sorry babe, but vote blue no matter who.
And, uh, by blue we mean red this time.

Welp, at this point anyone calling the us any form of democracy has to put the clown makeup on thick first.

You have a two party system with one party having no access to anyone not on a list of approved individuals vs the other party having a glorious leader and no access to anyone unless approved. The real sad part is only one of those two cares about holding power, so you have a nation of fascists (remember they did win that election) and a bunch of people who can claim some sort of moral high ground.

- Given republicans are now fascists its maybe a little cheeky to post this. I think its like "dems: long windy path to fascism" "republicans: direct, immediate trap door to fascism"
basically its a uniparty, justa coalition of the 2 sides, more often than not they pass things benefit themselves and the donors more than the actual voters. most of the time its backdoor deals between the 2 parties and the donors, that doesnt make news, because msm will not let it happen. GOP gets to enact thier plan in exchange for dems enacting some of thiers.
- It's a power sharing agreement.
- Makes sense if you can limit who can run in the party there is zero threat to you from the general population. I think it is stranger that people think the voters in such a system have real power.

Democrats are clearly unwilling to do anything to fix the problems we have.

"Democrats will be doing a disservice to the people they wish to serve"

So.... billionaires

Are recalls a thing there? Because that Paterson guy needs to be recalled.

Edit: He’s not even governor. He served a partial term in 15 years ago and wasn’t even elected. This is madness.

Exactly what you'd expect from these anti-DNC crowds, madness and malice.
Mamdani is the DNC candidate, vot for Mamdani

We cannot aford ideas without a plan for implementation or funding.

From Zohran's site:

Taxes on big corporations and the wealthiest New Yorkers
Zohran has a plan to bring down the cost-of-living through city-owned grocery stores, universal childcare, and other bold proposals, and he knows exactly how to pay for it, too. Zohran’s revenue plan will raise the corporate tax rate to match New Jersey’s 11.5%, bringing in $5 billion. And he will tax the wealthiest 1% of New Yorkers—those earning above $1 million annually—a flat 2% tax (right now city income tax rates are essentially the same whether you make $50,000 or $50 million). Zohran will also implement common-sense procurement reform, end senseless no-bid contracts, hire more tax auditors, and crack down on fine collection from corrupt landlords to raise an additional $1 billion.

There’s some unspoken words there:
We cannot aford ideas without a plan for implementation or funding.
“…that must not impact our wealthy donors.”
Shhhh, their corporate doners are trying to push propaganda through them! Stop defending a candidate who is not at all sympathetic towards the upper class!
- the DNC is so desperate they had to pull cumuo out of the dredges of the sewer as a candidate. im guessing alot of rich billionaires live in or around NYC so they wouldnt want a democrat mayor most of the time, they want a status quo to be maintained.

They've spent more time and effort going after Mamdani than they did trying to stop the "Big Beautiful Bill."

Hey, don't be disingenuous, they got the name changed in the senate and Booker stood tall with his little-league baseball bat! You can't expect perfection!
Well yeah, easier to fundraise this way.

https://act.dsausa.org/donate/donation

Slander is spoken, libel is written.

- That dude nailed that character in one of those 'best in history, nobody else could have' performances.
- Technically correct, and OP changed the headline to say "attack" instead of slander. But even that's inaccurate. What the governor said was very polite criticism, saying he doesn't think Mamdani is the best person for the job - not even "bad", just not "the best". And it's the governor - one person - not "Dems". OP is just spewing standard MAGA bullshit.
I'll change the title to 'attack' instead of slander because the grammar police is getting out of hand

Fuuuuuck the Democrats. The other right wingers.

I've been saying for years and years that the whole American political system is WWF theater. It's all scripted to catch the attention spans of people who only care about seeing "bad guys versus good guys" and it's been wildly effective. It was somewhat cathartic to see this idea take off in the mainstream and people like John Stewart calling it out now.
Too bad it's too late now. We could have used better representation and actual leaders who care about people about 30 years ago. Instead we have pathetic actors shit-talking for the camera and voting on bills with their investment portfolios.
- If there was only one single thing that I could teach everyone about politics, it would be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe
  I feel like our political system would be so much better if everyone understood how most of it is a show, instead of a competition.
- Nah, even wrestling has more than two factions
- what a coincidence WWE and UFC heads are shilling for trump.
Mamdani is the Democrat, Paterson served unelected for 2 years over 15 years ago.
- I'm not seeing any condemnation of Paterson, just downplaying his influence.
Im so glad this happened. You don’t owe democrats a damn thing.
- You owe them a vote for Mamdani in the generals.

Not only does the destroyer have a funding plan for his policies,

If anyone ever tells me I need to support the democrat candidate blue no matter who they get a slap in the face.

Did he delete this I can't find it?

Edit: never mind I found it. I swear Twitter used to be so much easier to use and whatever this fucking thing is now is a soup of bullshit in the wrong order.

https://x.com/NYGovPaterson55/status/1942243889202561240

The US is fucked.

Mamdani is a glimpse of hope

Third party time!

Mamdani is the officially recognized Democratic nominee. So third party is exactly what this asshole is advocating for.

He hasn't been NY Governor for 15 fucking years. I haven't heard a peep from him since. Now all of a sudden he's issuing press releases using his old title?

The GOP must love seeing the Democrats doing the work of destroying the Democrats for them.

Mamdani is the Democrat.
Paterson is advocating for third parties and as you said has had no affiliation with the Democrats for over 15 years.

But why would he be in the fascist lite party to begin with?

Because independents don't get elected
- The endless loop of self defeating thinking.
  Plenty of parties start with a few percent and then grow.
  Yet the banana republic keeps fooling itself with this BS and delude themselves they can fix this party.
  Really shouldn't complain then, you get what you deserve.
  No sympathy here.

these shills put a lot more effort fighting for trump and oligarchs than against them.

hopefully mamdani is the beginning of trend of booting out superpac pimps from dnc. these parasites have grifted enough with lesser evil excuse. no more compromise, dnc either becomes a democratic party or the progressives should form a new party.

I would say forming a new party is probably the best move, but ultimately getting another party that isn't red, blue, or yellow (sorta) on every ballot in the country is incredibly difficult, as in the laws are specifically designed to discourage it from happening. The Green Party, for example, only appeared on 37 of the 51 state ballots (DC Included.)
It's actually kinda insane that our national election doesn't have a nationally standardized ballot.
- Yeah the horrible spoiler laws that make a party get 5,000 signatures to appear on a state ballot. Outrageous.
- The Green Party also has 0 representatives in Congress, and get a lot of their funding from conservative PACs like Badger Values to use as Spoiler Candidates.
citizens united was probably more damaging that allow this to happened.
Why do you think Mamdani is a shill fighting for Trump? Clearly the DNC candidate is pro-tax-the-rich and that third party advocating Paterson relic from over 15 years ago is the shill.
- sorry if it was not clear but i was calling out Paterson as shill. he and Coumo have been helping each other hide their corruption for decades. schumer the scum is another one. that hack puts more effort into financing israeli genociders than fighting gop legislations.
  Mamsani, aoc, warren and bernie are the progressives that should either takeover dnc or form a new party.

It's... scared

The Democratic establishment are almost as bad as Republicans are at this point. He beat his competition in the primary, so that's what voters want. I don't understand why they are debasing themselves like this, it's humiliatingly shameful.

The Democratic establishment are almost as bad as Republicans are at this point.
They're the same. They're literally fighting for the same thing and hiding behind a world wrestling theater spectacle of shit-talking each other on camera, and then following the script off-camera.
We let money seep into politics and now we have thousands of actors pretending to run the country.
Paterson served 2 years over 15 years ago, and now he is promoting Independents, he is not the "Democratic establishment".
- He isn't promoting independents here, though. He's advocating for either Adams or Cuomo to drop out so that centrist democrats can coalesce behind one of them and defeat Mamdani, the progressive candidate.
  He may not be involved in politics anymore, but he's still advancing the DNC agenda with his statement here.
'at this point' LOL
And stil they don't get the theatre after more than a century

From March 2010

"Already caught up in a scandal involving a close aide, embattled New York Governor David Paterson was charged on Wednesday by the state's ethics watchdog for unlawfully taking free baseball tickets to the 2009 World Series.

The charge came days after Paterson ditched his short-lived campaign for a new term in office following revelations that he and state police had spoken with a woman who accused a top governor's aide, David Johnson, of assault last year.

After speaking with Paterson, the woman failed to appear in court and her case was dismissed, according to The New York Times, which first reported the story."

I am so sick of seeing people abuse the word "tremendous" like this following in asshat's footsteps, but at least it's a nice, straightforward way for me to identify people to hit with a baseball bat if I can ever get away with it.

Is a primary not "Democrats ... [coming] together and [deciding] to support whichever candidate has the most support among them?"

It was, which is why Paterson is supporting Third Parties to shill to centrists such as the Southeastern Brooklyn neighborhoods. To be clear, Paterson left office over 15 years ago after one very short unelected term, he's not the DNC.
- To be clear, Paterson is doing exactly what party leadership wants.

Perfect. Given how unpopular the Democratic party is at the moment, this must have positive effect for Mamdani.

the DNC is doubling down and digging a big hole for themselves by attacking him, you got some people that are low info that cant be bothered are starting to listen maybe to madami.

@finitebanjo@lemmy.world how do you defend/brush this one away?

The guy hasn't been in office for over 15 years, why should I give af what he thinks?
- It’s a good way to point out that the Democrat establishment hasn’t given a shit about the will of the people for at least 15 years then.

Honestly if these are the kinds of dregs they find still willing to serve the party line, I am a little encouraged.

What an incredible piece of shit. Fuck that guy with a cactus.

Do I have to? Ugh. Fine! You gotta bring the cactus tho 😩

If the man doesn't understand democracy, he should not hold office.

He doesn't, he made ethics violations and got forced out over 15 years ago.

What does AOC or Bernie think about him? I bet they love him. I haven't heard anything from Biden or Obama, did they say anything bad about him?

Sanders and AOC both enforced him, doesn't sound like Obama has said anything, and I think Biden might be a little preoccupied atm.
But Bill Clinton congratulated him, so there's that...
- "We need people to dislike this guy... Call in Bill Clinton"
Sanders is a big fan of Zohran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTk7vuTW24w

People when they're interested in building something good together: I think your solution may cause problems down the line due to XYZ. See my alternative implementation here. My main worry is technical debt when we need to update ABC to the new standards. Here's a list of references and further alternatives. Thoughts?

People who make it far in politics: I thank you for your work but I'm not sure if it's what we need. We should try looking at other solutions. Your points are all valid and your implementation seems fine but it just doesn't seem like a good fit. I think we should get more opinions. I just don't like this idea.

Democrats' dicks don't work.

horseshoe theory

ALERTA, ALERTA, ANTIFASCISTA! SIAMO TUTTI ANTIFASCISTI! <3

Ah yes the ol' tried and true gun control "now isn't the right time" argument. Cool cool.

Don’t care what he thinks; vote blue no matter who

Amazing that people in the same party would critize each other ain't it? That's called competition, having an opinion, not lining up in lockstep behind Daddy. Before MAGA that used to be the American Way. Try it sometime.

When centrists criticize leftists and refuse to endorse them:
Amazing that people in the same party would critize each other ain’t it? That’s called competition, having an opinion, not lining up in lockstep behind Daddy. Before MAGA that used to be the American Way. Try it sometime.
When leftists criticize centrists and refuse to endorse them:
I blame the millions of Dems who stayed home because Kamala didn’t meet their moral purity standards and they refused to be “complicit in genocide”.
I did try it sometime and you didn't seem to feel the same way about it 🤔
- When meme-brains use labels like "centrist" and "leftist" cuz they don't remember how thinking works. Black hat BAD, white hat GOOD!
Politics shouldn't be competition it should serve the popultion interests

Slander? No. Playing politics? Yes.

yeah this wasn't slander, just vanilla despicable
- You kinda can't blame them. Anytime they do anything that helps young people they sit out the midterms. Biden's student loan forgiveness, Obama's Affordable Care Act. The media scores points calling it radical socialist agenda while alli the radical socialists sit out the next election

And you feel voting changes anything.

Democrats now openly slander Mamdani

Ffs. That’s not the case.

Slander: the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation

If you think someone saying “he doesn’t have a plan” is slander, you might want to stay the hell away from politics.

This wasn’t FPTP, it’s NYC and yes there’s a Jewish component to the race, and yeah he’s young and inexperienced. All of those are valid, legitimate concerns regarding a political election.

Unfortunately for them, the primary is over and they already lost. So no, they don’t have to blindly believe Mamdani is going to win in a lanslide, but they should at least act like it. I think we’re looking at a mayoral race through a presidential-election lens.

Slander though? No.

Saying he is not a fitting candidate is not slander?
- This is libel rather than slander, since it is written and not verbal. But even then, it's not libel either. To be libel (or slander) against a public figure, it has to be factually untrue and Patterson would have to either know that it was untrue or act with disregard for the truth. He's allowed to state his opinion - which he clearly stated as his opinion - that Mamdani isn't a good fit for the position. We can think that Patterson is wrong about that, but he's only wrong (and, in my opinion, strategically foolish), not libellous
- Saying he is not a fitting candidate is not slander?
  No. It is not.
  It’s rude, it’s dismissive, it’s a bunch of things that also aren’t crimes and your desperation to show Democrats as the Worst Things Evar is showing.
  Here, post an article from the Democrats supporting him and don’t forget to mention they’re democrats. Yeah, don’t worry no one will expect you to even consider it.
Also it would be libel, not slander anyways.

More divide-the-left noise from geneva_convenience

geneva_convenience made David Paterson write a letter that is trying to divide the left?
Not geneva_convenience fault that the left decided to divide themselves and refuse possitive changes to the democratic party

He's wrong, but I don't think it's slander. How great the risk is debatable, but it's fair to worry that Mamdani may lose the D's some centrist and (although it can't be said out loud) Jewish votes and, consequently, the election. Which would be disastrous. AIPAC certainly is not going to be dumping money into Mamdani's campaign, and if they instead chose to spend it on the Republican candidate, it could sway the general election.

However, I think Trump proved that extremists can win, so while it's a reasonably concern, evidence suggests it's unfounded. Personally, the possibility that AIPAC could focus efforts on defeating Mamdani as he represents a crack in the political wall of unwavering support for Israel is a far greater concern, because money wins elections.

Although a disagree with the characterization that this constitutes slander, I do think it's the wrong approach. Having won the primary, if Democrats want to win this thing they have to solidify behind the nominated candidate. Being divisive will only help them lose the general.

To ease the worries of the Jewish voter base not selecting him:
https://apnews.com/article/new-york-mamdani-mayor-democrats-jews-israel-39e3a3df4ce9d05c090a78ba7a1eb48b
... [Mamdani] excelled in the city with the largest Jewish population outside of Israel, and with the support of many Jewish voters.
AIPAC does not speak for all Jews.
- AIPAC does not speak for all Jews.
  Quick someone tell the entire global media!
- AIPAC does not speak for all Jews.
  But they speak to the office holders and DNC. Israel is much more important than US and it's citizen.
The republican candidate is Curtis Sliwa; we could do a LOT worse. The guy was defending Mamdani on fox news the other day. What does that say about the dems?
- Curtis was?
  It's hard to find good things to say about the established party.
Saying that the primary winner is not fit to be mayor is straight up slander.
- It’s their own party lol

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