Scientists warn US will lose a generation of talent because of Trump cuts

If they move to Europe they’ll still be serving the Empire. No big deal.

It's too late for that they already fucked up.

The future of America is a small loyal fascist middle class and the elites. Then the rest of Americans will see degradation of society and culture that creates the conditions where cheap labor can be had domestically. The elites realized they don't need a prosperous and happy populace, that's expensive. They need people to work cheaply in factories and to stop questioning them.

It's short sighted for sure, but that's where America is going. I'm leaving first chance I get, I don't care about the US, let it collapse without me.

The US is barreling toward open fascism, and the consequences for its talent pool will be catastrophic. Educated professionals are precisely the people who find this political shift most intolerable and who also happen to be the ones with the means to leave. Historically, the U.S. has compensated for its weak domestic education system by poaching global talent. But as the country becomes an increasingly unattractive destination, that pipeline will collapse.
Meanwhile, domestic talent can’t fill the gap given the current state of the US education system. On top of that, a wave of retirements among scientists and engineers is already thinning the ranks. The cracks are already forming with Raytheon recently having to recall retired engineers because no one left in the workforce knows how to produce missiles anymore. It’s the inevitable result of a system that prioritized short-term exploitation over long-term investment. When the talent leaves and the retirees aren’t replaced, the decline will accelerate.
- This is what kills me. Like why are all employers so picky, so gatekeepy, yet there’s a skills gap? Like just admit you’re not hiring and stop the narrative of any skills gap.
- The educated people in the west dont really have anywhere to go. Most people have China anti-authoritarian brain worms plus casual racism so I dont see that being a major hub for them. I think about the bourgeois intellectuals like Timothy Snyder who went to fucking Canada of all places to escape fascism. But I get it when youre analysis of fascism is all about aesthetics and ignoring the link between liberalism and fascism.
  Thats not to say China or the global south are doomed, as they will just educate and cultivate their own populations. Its just the masses of the global north that will suffer.
I don't think the elites are realizing anything, they are just stumbling into contradictions. Capitalism needs to constantly prop itself back up after its contradictions threaten to blow up the project. It'll need to do this again in dramatic ways soon.
- I would never underestimate my enemy, Kissinger knew exactly what he was doing.
- I largely agree, and it may be a necessary result of a transition to an increasingly financialized stage of capitalism in the west. Back when industrial capitalists ran things, they had a fairly well developed understanding of how things like supply chains and factories worked. They knew what it takes to spin up production for a product, do design, testing, and so on. Now, things are run by people who predominantly deal with abstract numbers on spreadsheets, and they have little understanding of what's involved in material production.
- I think elites are kinda aware but they don't really give a shit because they're 60+ years old and will be long retired or dead by the time the consequences of their actions really kick in
They need people to work cheaply in factories
That's a strange way of spelling "call centers and fast food joints"
- That consumerist culture requires a large consumer class, bigger than just elites and some petty bourgs, you need a working class with at least some disposable income. Now that america is losing that I think they are gunning for some kind of techno-feudalism where manufacturing is brought back but like in the shittiest way possible.
- Thats right now but the long term goal is cheap third world style production
The elites realized they don't need a prosperous and happy populace, that's expensive.
they realized it in 1992

Because American science was doing awesome before the cuts? If you had talked to any postdoc pretty much anywhere in the country during the Biden years about how much they're making or how they felt about their career prospects, the answers you got were not optimistic. This is worse but I'm increasingly cranky of people acting like everything was humming along smoothly until the more obvious destruction started.

Hey guys, how's addressing the replication crisis going? Anything? 🦗 🦗

I mean yeah the working conditions in American labs have been absolutely appalling for decades, but they were nevertheless exploiting those postdocs to produce some really good science. I dunno if it's just in my field but when I was still in academia a few years ago it really stood out how many deeply original, creative, groundbreaking papers were coming from US institutions. Mostly from international researchers obviously, that's how it is everywhere in the west. But it seems you really will lose that now.
- but they were nevertheless exploiting those postdocs to produce some really good science
  Were they though? Most of this "good science" was serving private interests in accumulating more profit rather than actually accomplishing something societally meaningful. They were producing science sure but was it doing anything? Making crops and medicine and technology that nobody can afford or use isn't really good science regardless of what the potential benefits could be

Oh they're already lost, kids can't read anymore

Adults aren't much better lmao
- 54% of adults can read at a 6th grade level, checkmate commies.

Good. We know the US can't be trusted with science or technology.

China has an opportunity to do the funniest thing ever

Actually China is already trying to take advantage of the situation and offer positions to American scientists.
But read my comment here - the Chinese academia is way harsher for foreigners to survive the environment and work culture. Most Americans are probably more suited to the more relaxed European academic culture than in China.
- China's academic work culture is even worse than the US? Fuck
idk how much they'll do, Xi won't even fulfil every mutual aid post on here
- I mean they could do some fast track for residency for Western academics

the us had talent?

Yeah, they gave em all a green card to identify them

“请我需要将学金”

They won't be lost, they'll be working overseas.