Logic

Conveniently you forgot to mention a short list of terrorist groups financed by Iran.

Here you go

Hezbollah (Lebanon) – Iran’s most heavily backed proxy; receives funding, weapons, and training. Operates militarily and politically in Lebanon; hostile to Israel.
Hamas (Gaza) – Though Sunni, Iran supports Hamas with weapons and funds due to shared anti-Israel stance.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Gaza/West Bank) – More directly aligned with Iran than Hamas; receives significant Iranian support.
Houthis (Ansar Allah, Yemen) – Iran supplies weapons, intelligence, and training to Houthis in their fight against the Saudi-led coalition.
Kata’ib Hezbollah (Iraq) – Iraqi Shi’a militia backed by Iran; part of the Popular Mobilization Forces; responsible for attacks on U.S. personnel.
Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq (Iraq) – Another Iran-backed Shi’a militia operating in Iraq; heavily involved in sectarian violence.
Harakat al-Nujaba (Iraq/Syria) – Shi’a militia supported by IRGC; operates in Iraq and Syria.
Fatemiyoun Division (Afghan Shi’a fighters) – Recruited and trained by Iran to fight in Syria.
Zeynabiyoun Brigade (Pakistani Shi’a fighters) – Similar to Fatemiyoun; deployed in Syria under Iranian command.

America.

I mean, Israel is just the USA's preferred method of conducting proxy wars in the region... Not that the Zios aren't also happy to massacre their neighbours, of course.

I think I can finally relate. I just had a Civilisation VI game last night where I was trying to win by the domination method (I'm still pretty tame, waiting for a casus belli to start a war), but suddenly three civs got way ahead in culture, science and military, so if I still wanted to win by dominating, I had no other choice but to just surprise buttfuck all three at the same time. The aztecs had been working on the space race already.

...so yeah, I guess Israel just realised that they need to chop chop before Iran builds the Mars base.

(obvious /s, it's disgusting how such aggressors can just get away like that)

I used to play Civ III a lot and one of my favorite strategies was to borrow a bunch of money from a neighbor and then attack and destroy him, which would of course wipe away the debt with the only consequence being that everybody else hated you. It was amusing to learn that this was actually Hitler's strategy with his invasion of the Soviet Union (minus the "destroy him" part, of course). Part of the nonaggression treaties between Germany and the USSR was actually a massive loan to Hitler, adding to the debt that Hitler had already racked up to achieve his "economic miracle".
- Wow, you have yet another thing in common : ). Jokes aside, it's crazy how many things games can teach you about.

I don't know how they did it, but Israel has made America its personal bitch. Everything they do, America just comes and help them wagging its tail and half of Americans will just nod and follow behind like pups.

AIPAC, it funds politicians on both sides. Our gov't is set up like a mafia payout, and the Zionist are running the show.
I don’t know how they did it
This is one of the dangers of having a corrupt government in the modern world that is openly for sale. Conservatives might think it's fine that money can and should influence politicians, but they're dead quiet about the fact that the money doesn't have to only come from American sources.
You don't know how they did it? I thought it was obvious, Israel lobbies all of the US politicians: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
AIPAC - that’s how.
I believe the Russians refer to it as "kompromat"

I wonder: would that region of the world have reached some sort of equilibrium if the rest of the world didn’t constantly fuck with them, or would it just be a different kind of shitshow?

The area has a deep and rich history, but also a violent one. Countless of peoples have been actually genocided (as in: nothing remains of them) there several centuries before rest of the world had civilization and therefore any means of manipulating them.
European colonialism lasted roughly during years 1400-2000. A significant time, but also significantly shorter than the history of Middle East.
- Calling the Ottoman empire a relatively quiet backwater is wild. There was a ton of conflict and it was a huge trade and culture hub. It had its highs and lows. Even its the most peaceful times (which followed decades of war) it was a wack a mole of rebellions.
  A relatively quiet backwater damn dont let a Turk hear you disrespect the Ottoman empire like that.
Almost certainly the former. Same with Africa.
Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.
- Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.
  The world was a peaceful paradise before colonialism
Why do you act like it was aliens coming from space? It was just humans doing what they've always done. Do you think they didnt know what war was? They had been warring for millennia with other people from Europe, Asia and Africa.
- I wouldn't think of it as somehow absolving people in the region from wanting to make this stuff happen, but without the resources and support from outside, they might be a bit more restrained by necessity/unable to inflict quite the scale of disasters.
  Like how North Korea would have probably started some shit but they can't because they don't have anyone willing to boost their military capability to the requisite level. Meanwhile every player in the middle east has some bigger country happy to pump up their military resources while simultaneously tending to distance themselves from the result because a proxy war is safer than direct conflict.
As with other regions, the wars between neighbouring(ish) countries subside with cultural & economic development - if the countries (ever) get to that point (cross several big thresholds). And we don't even have enough data to verify if this is even actually true.
But like Europe, constant warring for millennia up until 19th century, then sure, two really big wars, but you could already see how culture & economy of the masses shifted & favoured peace over war ("even with the stinking neighbours who we are racist towards"), it became harder to entice wars and/or to convince people we need a war with a neighbour.
I feel like this sort of rule of majority (in practice) & low scarcity is the natural equilibrium where huge efforts for maintaining peace aren't required.
\ (Even both WW were because of this equilibrium shifted massively into huge inequalities.)
African countries (so lower industrial development & big inequalities even on small scales bcs scarcity for basics, like food & life opportunities, exaggerates those) see constant proper wars (1 on 1 skirmishes between two countries or even regions), but since mass starvation became a thing of the past, so did the fighting become less intense.
\ (Africa is huge tho, generalisations like this aren't representative of actual issues.)
With that I think Middle East would definitely be a much more peaceful place without massive colonialist fuckery over the centuries, or at least without Russia & USA (which covers establishing Israel). Longer lasting stable culture & increasing trade dependency & prosperity + no foreigners financing radical terrorist groups (which comparatively quickly become the dominant power by sheer asset value), yes, I think it would be a much better place & wars a lot shorter.
Now, imagine that Middle East but if the world was already off of fossil fuels for the last century (so less inequality between countries).
\ Maybe a great (and accessible) active cultural hub between Europe & India?
- I feel like without oil the middle East would be like northern Africa. No real natural resources to kickstart an economy leading to seemingly perpetual poverty.
Everything improving for the better is part of that "equilibrium." Peace and stability improves education which just makes everything better over time.
When Taliban first took over Afghanistan they had banned women from attending highschool. They later opened up "training courses" with same curricilum as highschools that women are allowed to attend.
Progress is slow, but the many economic sanctions placed on the country doesn't help.
Overall situation is still extremely bad there but the reason Taliban got to run that country in the first place is two centuries of imperialism (The British) so more of it isn't gonna help.
Mmm - I think for a particular definition of equilibrium, yes. That definition might be pretty horrible though. And it's a moot point either way.

Who owns the US Congress?

I believe Russia and Israel are currently enjoying joint custody of the US, though Israel has the majority of custodial rights.
- Russia during official events and gatherings, Israel the rest of the time.
- Russia owns the majority through the MAGA/Evangelical wingnut lobby and ExxonMobil/BP/Shell in other cases. Israel covers all bases.
I S R A E L

I don't have an answer to how to handle the region, it's beyond me. The Israel state sucks ass and it's committing genocide.

But the Iranian state are also extremist and I don't doubt for a millisecond would do terrible things if it had the support Israel has.

two things can be bad at the same time
- But certainly three things cannot be bad.
What do you mean would? They already contribute massively to destabilising the region. They dont just attack isreal either.
- And you don't think it would be worse when an air force and nukes?

And Iran and Russia are a close second.

Hey, you can't just rebrand literal propaganda as satire!

I mean, it is satiric & very funny, but it's on the same level of fuckery as The Onion reporting regular news - unbelievable, sounding sarcastic, fucked up, & funny (until you realise it's just true :D).

(This is a joke comment ofc, the standoffishness is faked for lame comedic purposes.)

The message of this post is spot on but im weirdly annoyed that the meme format has been used wrong lol.

If they all just died there would be peace, duh /sarcasm/

Well, exterminating the entire human species would be a working and simple way to achieve peace
Once Israel expanded into all these countries, there will be a whole bunch of new "threats" neighboring it.

My eyes did a little dance as they purused those crispy edges.

while Israel has nukes, and is subject to MAD, there's a ton of debate and uncertainty about how much Iran cares for MAD when they finish their nukes

thats most of the reason why people are worried about them rn if you cant tell

It's a good thing that Israel and the US did everything they could to get Iran to decide not to make nukes instead of antagonizing the poop out of them.... Oh wait.
- The government of Iran supports terrorism across the Middle East, including the Triple-H of terrorism which they term the "Axis of Resistance". Hezbolla, Houthis, and of course Hamas, which brutally massacred over a thousand people and took hundreds hostage forcing a ground war in a densely populated area so they could make genocide propaganda. Hezbollah was plotting to do something similar and the Hotuthis would if they had the capability. Also Iran has people regularly chanting "death to Israel, death to America" and that kind of rhetoric is spreading into the west, and we've already seen all of this result in violence in cities like Boulder, CO. So that regime starts enriching enriching uranium in the amounts needed to build a nuclear device, according to the UN. And they publicly announce they're going to start testing missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to Israel.
  But sure, that's not antagonizing at all!
  It's the internet posts that's REALLY antagonizing!
It's a theocracy that ritualistically chants "death to America, death to Israel."
Nuclear proliferation is never a good thing. But a regime like that getting nukes is a major crisis.
- Because the US and Israel have been killing tens of thousands if not millions of Iranians directly and indirectly over the past century.
  Israel and the US helped the Shah build his intelligence forces, which murdered, tortured and dissappeared tens of thousands of people. Then the US lead Saddam Hussein to invade Iran, killing a milliom Iranians over the course of 8 years. How much Israel was involved in that is unclear.
  Imagine Poland would have adopted the slogan "death to Germany" after WWII. Would you consider Poland a major crisis? What about Ukrainian sentiment towards Russia since the invasion? If Ukraine would seek nukes in 30 years, would you also see that as major crisis?

The funny thing about this that nobody here cared when Iran was bombing these places and treating Palestinians like human refuse for decades. Post 9/11 Americans literally think they own the Middle East and treat it like their playground and want it to bend to its will.

Fix your own dumpster fire Americans, i know it’s easier to just criticize other countries though.

Nobody is saying that the Iranian government isn't evil. We're saying the Israeli government is evil. Iran too, USA too Russia too, and I can go on for a bit but you get the picture.
Right right now, the Israeli government is committing genocide and if you have a problem with people calling this out then you can go fuck an umbrella. Kindly.
- The evil genocidal empires like America don’t get to lead the pack against genocide and imperialism. They cheapen the cause . Fuck Americans
- Nobody is saying that the Iranian government isn’t evil.
  nobody here is saying they are btw, its just glossed over and ignored and too many people here think Iran is in the right

Ah yes, the people (Iran) doing this are TOTALLY NOT a threat to peace

It appears ShartDick has been huffing glue again. I've told them they can't afford to lose any more brain cells, but it's hard to kick a lifelong habit.
At least in those cases the Iranian state didn't use their military to conduct the acid attacks. The Iranian government paid reparations to the victims on behalf of the fact the perpetrators were not caught.
I am willing to risk suggesting the damage causes by Israeli bombings has outstripped the acid attacks already. They're completely different orders of magnitude.
People are doing this in other parts of the world too. Maybe we should consider everyone a threat to peace.
So when your neighbour hits his wife, you think it's justified to just straight up murder them both?
- By their logic, you'd need to murder their parent, maybe their boss.

When your instance shut down don't migrate
- Their mod history is pretty funny though
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Just discovered this (first link random):

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Terhan+clock+israel+wiki&t=fpas&ia=web

It's hard to set points in this story but let's try it.

Israel now is kinda theocratic state with a fascist in charge indeed, but Iran it's no second to it. I hear many talking shit about Us imperialism, never heard a word about China, Russia or Iran's one.

Iran is indeed a threat to Isreal (yeah, I know, those dictatorships like to flex bit they're much worse than they depict). And its imperialism drove to 7/10.

Israel has in my opinion the right to face Iran, what's mad is how they're facing Hamas/Palestinians instead. But we said no? Bibi is fascist to the bones.

Still, Israel doesn't want to destroy Iran and has never set a clock to Iran's destruction.

Israel doesn't want to destroy Iran
Tell that to all the Israeli politicians calling for Tehran to burn, and bibi saying that they're trying to kill the Supreme leader.
Israel definitely wants to force some sort of regime change in Iran. Multiple Israeli politicians have posed with the pretender shah saying he's coming back any day now, and they've tried to decapitate the top of the Islamic Republic multiple times hoping it will instigate some sort of revolution.
- Persia has been around for a minute or two, taking down this government doesn't end Iran
- And that's good for Iran.
  Just cause Bibi's Isreal is shit it doesn't mean getting rid of Ayatollah is a good move. It's good for Isreal, for Iran and everybody else except fucking Russia and those terrorists like Hamas or Hezbollah.
To my knowledge, Iran and other middle east countries are part of the no nuclear NPT treaties with the US. The only one that isn't a member of these treaties is Israel. There is no real proof, despite them trying to pull a W Bush 'they have nukes' lies-to-war propaganda, Iran has any nuclear weapons. Do you know who does? Israel.
- It is worth noting, though, that Iran did just refuse to meet their obligations under that non-proliferation agreement (regular inspections of nuclear infra, etc) for the first time since 2003.
  But I do agree that there's worrying echoes of the Iraq war here, given Israel seems to be the only country claiming to have evidence of active nuclear weapons development
- That's probably cause of the link I just posted?
  They say in every possible way the want to destroy Israel, would you believe them cause they are part of a program?
- And russia. They may have 'mispaced' a couple in exchange for some drones.

Honestly, the whole region would be within their right to leave the place a pile of ash.

I think most of the world feels that way about the US at this moment.
- Fair enough.
iirc, they tried, and when the us intervened they put sanctions on the U.S. .....yeah, the U.S. didn't take economic sanctions for thier war crimes very well and uh, committed more war crimes.
- Like my dad always said, there's no war crime a few more war crimes cant fix.
- You mean 1973? That was retaking territory they had lost in 1967. By 1973 Israel's existence was a fait accompli and they really weren't going anywhere. The war crimes bit is true, however, though it's a small comfort that the Oil Crisis precipitated the economic crisis that got Reagan elected.