World’s biggest PC vendor [Lenovo] takes first step that could establish Android as Windows biggest rival ever — and eliminate Google ChromeOS at the same time
World’s biggest PC vendor [Lenovo] takes first step that could establish Android as Windows biggest rival ever — and eliminate Google ChromeOS at the same time
Lenovo will soon begin to distribute devices powered by the Esper Foundation OS
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Call me crazy, but I don't want a PC run by a phone operating system.
You're crazy.
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They're not saying it will. My gaming laptop is already running the same Linux kernel as Android phones so the kernel is great. Then it's down to the GUI and that might be a good fit for hospitality/healthcare/retail as the article says where some devices are already run in more or less of a Kiosk style with specific purpose. Besides phones are just small PCs anyway, it's all about the use-case.
Well, Linux users are actually leaping towards mimicking phone operating systems, which is bizarre.
People have been recommending distros that are immutable systems + all applications are sandboxed Flatpaks. You know what system works like this? iOS. You know what system isn't so restrictive? Windows.
That's a really really really bad comparison.
Separating the base system and user installed apps is a good thing for security.
Having flatpak smooth over distro compatibility issues is great.
Locking down a platform to an app store is not.
There are also ways to change the base system still. It's just the model is to do the ideal thing, which is to install the apps designed into the modern system.
Options are never gonna be a bad thing of course.
Idk of flatpaks can really be compared to iOS apps just simply due to how much you can choose to expose
Flatpaks do allow you to later on change the permission, but otherwise, they'd actually be like iOS apps. How long before some permissions can't be changed for "security" or "compatibility"?
I totally agree options aren't bad, but I just find it weird to see the Linux community pushing those distros super hard while a few years ago they were precisely the ones mocking systems where packages carried a redundant copy of their dependencies, had to be managed by the system, and caused issues due to sandboxing. Linux users would quite literally laugh about this, yet here we are.
Linux users would quite literally laugh about this, yet here we are.
Well, Immutable Distros aren’t for “Linux Users”, but for casuals. I won’t ever advice any techblin to use a classic distro, because they don’t have any interest in learning commands and terminal, but just want to use something that’s not Windows
I prefer gentoo personally
Its an OS, period. Like in every other context it'll be adapted to its use case. Its unrealistic to think that its going to look like a phone/tablet. Android is and had been running on a hell of a lot more than phones for a very long time now, and most people dont even realize it.
I'll agree with you as an advanced user myself it most likely won't be for me either, but we're not the 99%. The normies benefit from more locked down ecosystems and especially immutable OS's.
I just spend 3hrs literally yesterday in my mothers OnePlus unfucking it, she's only had Androids since she's owned smartphones, yet cant understand Android and actually how to use it, never knows what she does, constantly turns things on and off, shit you CAN'T accidentally do. Non tech people and functionality/control over the OS is never a good thing.
MDM managed devices would make situations like your mother's much easier to manage and handle remotely. Lock down all the stuff she keeps messing up. Id love to have hardware that I could walkaway from that was cheaper than apple and had management like it when using an MDM like Jamf.
Why though? Immutable Operating Systems are great for regular usage. Android is restricted and closed up, compared to Linux or Windows. But its damn secure.
Having the app support, on this ecosystem where every app always is in its container, would be huge.
But I prefer Fedora Atomic, its more or less the same, but actually free, with wide app support and no Google.
Because I do all kinds of things with my OS that they probably didn't consider when they were locking things down. I enjoy the freedom and flexibility of a desktop OS while I'm on a desktop. Even Mac OS drives me up the walls sometimes.
Edit: phone changed Max to Max.
Yes of course, me neither. Android sucks. Its locked down and all.
But what is the typical "laptop user"?
- uses windows as it was preinstalled
- uses Edge or Chrome as its preinstalled, Bundleware or they get Ads for it
- has some weird Adobe stuff like Reader. Apps autostart in the background and phone home as they wish to "check licenses" and whatever
- has Viruses and doesnt care
Viruses basically dont exist on Android
Well yeah... We are not saying is for everyone. Like it's nice for less technical people were it's more difficult for them to fuck it up or get confused with technical stuff and they do not need anything advanced or sometime that flexible, just a couple of apps an a browser.
Yeah it would probably be great for someone like my mother. She's an expert at breaking her operating system and anything to lock her system down would be helpful. I'm sure there are millions of people who never do much more than read emails, browse the web, and maybe do some spreadsheet work, and it would be great for them too. For me, I like control. I use Arch on my laptop and Pop on my gaming computer so that I'm not constrained by whatever Microsoft or Apple are currently trying to simplify with their OS.
Edit: I also stopped using Windows because it's becoming pretty similar to spyware and adware these days, and every time you turn all that stuff off, they turn it back on with the next update. I reached my wits end about 3-4 years ago and dumped Windows completely for everything except Fusion 360.
That sounds like a lot of FUD.
somewhere tim cook is crying
You mean Tim Apple?
Phones are pcs so I don’t see the issue
The problem I see with this is that Linux doesn’t do well enough as it is so fragmenting it further isn’t going to move the needle against Windows (IMO)
You don't use a phone the same way that you use a PC, or at least I don't.
A lot of people do though. That's the problem. Most people just browse Facebook and watch YouTube. Anyone doing other stuff is "a hacker"
That’s not going to matter as far as the OS is concerned; that’s more device limits
Believe it or not Android is solidly capable as an OS without too big of a hardware requirement. Give Android x86 a shot and you'll see how fast it can be. Pretty decently optimized. Sadly last Android the supported was 11.