Norman Finkelstein on His Debate with "that thing called" Destiny

Just commenting to say this vincentmario poster all over these comments is a fucking idiot

Vincentmario@feddit.uk you're a racist, genocide loving pedophile and a defender of a confirmed sex criminal, eat shit incel

He treated him the only way that predator should be treated

Ok, at this point ANY defense of sexpestiny should be met with an outright and immediate ban, we don't need multiple comment threads arguing with a racist pedo lover who wants to defend a sex criminal

Let's have some standards and not stink this place up engaging with genuine pedos and sex crime apologists

"Mr. Borrelia..."

This is why 'debates' are pointless. People who don't know anything think Destiny 'held his own', when he couldn't even get basic timelines correct.
Finkelstein didn't even bother to engage with him because what is the point of having to literally educate him on basic aspects of the topic. What he is telling him, and you, is to actually read the fucking books the Wikipedia page is citing to make sure the citations are correct, and to actually become knowledge on the topic so you can have an informed opinion that is worth debating. The reason why this is the correct thing to do is because even if you were to do a point by point refutation of Destiny, there is nothing stopping him from just making up more shit or citing more crap from an unverified online source.
If a person comes to you as a student and wants to learn, you educate them. If a person comes to you as a competing expert and doesn't know basic aspects of what they are supposed to know, you ridicule them.
https://lemmy.ml/u/vincentmario@feddit.uk
Can't see this user's post history on hexbear but they have a bunch of posts defending Kamala and Biden and NATO. "If I can’t have no genocide, I’d rather some genocide than more genocide. Is this really that controversial?" They seem to think that Gaza is the trolley problem. I'm not sure how someone types "I'd rather some genocide" without feeling shame.
- I can excuse a little genocide, but not a lot of genocide
  
  You can excuse genocide?
- "If I can't have no genocide..."
  "Actually here's the "no genocide" candidate, you'd just have to vote for somebody other than the dems."
  "I'm not going to do that and here's why that actually makes you the real genocide supporter."
  They're on the exact same level as the "actually you pointing out racism is the real racism" magats
- lol of course an anglo genocidal dweeb also looks up to disgusting shitstain like mr. fettucini/sexpestiny.
- There is no such thing as 'some genocide'. Genocide doesn't exist on a fucking gradient. It's a binary concept.
didn’t really engage with Destiny much on many points he brought up, if at all
lmao, that's because his 'points' were willfully misunderstood citations from wikipedia, sourced from books that Finkelstein either actually read or he himself wrote.
Destiny did not 'hold his own', he got absolutely humiliated.
Destiny isn't owed attention, he has to first earn it. Since he didn't earn it, he came into the debate as lil bro to Benny Morris, who was a historian and thus worthy of a debate with Norm.
That and the "just Google it" response from Destiny cemented the L and made it evident that Destiny wasn't to be taken seriously from then on. This happened only a couple minutes into the debate.
He failed the vibe check from the start and spiraled from there, talking too fast to get his points across. He didn't even have charisma since all attacks came off as awkwardness stemming from misreading the social situation.
I don't like debates normally for this reason, they become charisma contests and truth becomes a second class citizen. Luckily this debate was a massive failure for Destiny. Your posting is the first I've heard from him for a while.
We did get funny soundbites from this, though.
mistah bonerelli
- Wasn't Destiny worthy of the debate when Finkelstein accepted the debate? I really don't understand. Why are we talking about worthiness.
  I'm not able to check the example you sent yet (Thank you, btw!!) but if you'll allow me to extrapolate, I feel like "Just Google it" means "This statement I made is correct, and is easily provable with a quick search". If he didn't cite anything, that would be kind of weird I think. I think it would depend. If I forget to come back to this I'll cry in real life
I don't think you or I for that matter can appreciate the difference in education on the subject between Finkelstein and Destiny. Finkelstein didn't just read every book on the subject multiple times, he wrote a whole number of them. He is one of the premier scholars on the subject in the entire world. Does that mean he is infallible and can't be questioned by someone? No, but there is a certain audacity in believing that you are in any position to debate this man after you educated yourself by reading wikipedia articles for a few days in advance, wikipedia articles which are probably in no small part based on Finkelstein's own work.
Still, pretty awesome a game streamer can do all this and hold his own
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- David Pakman.