Minio strips away almost all features from AGPL interface and suggests people use their licensed "AIStor" service instead
Implemented AGPL MinIO Object Browser simplified Console by bexsoft · Pull Request #3509 · minio/object-browser
Well there's your problem.
The AI advertising is just a symptom of the underlying issue; VC funding.
The more I learn about AI the more I feel like it’s another dot-com bubble.
LLMs and generative AI are such multifaceted systems that saying “this is for AI” is like saying “this is for the WWW”
Databases, interfaces, storage, networking. All are used in AI but if you just say you make a database and not and “AI database” you’ll lose out on investors.
It’s a bit like the gold rush in that everyone is so fixated on the gold that they don’t see the real economic boom is selling the shovels and building the trains.
Well there's your other problem.
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Next, you're going tell me a billionaire's involved somehow!
Yeah, a few years ago they advertised themselves as the perfect storage solution for blockchain projects.
VC?
I’ve completely switched away from using Minio (and just the S3 protocol in general) in all of my projects.
I’ve found that the WebDAV protocol is better for object storage in almost every case. It’s also way simpler to use and understand.
Now it’s time for me to shill:
I wrote my own WebDAV server called Nephele. It’s free and open source, and you can run it on Docker. Probably doesn’t help if you’re using something that requires S3, but if you’re building something, I implore you to migrate away from S3.
Why is WebDAV better?
It’s simpler, there is a client for everything even mobile phones, it has a move command, it has props that can be edited without a copy command, pagination is however you set it up to be rather than a one size fits all approach, it can be just as scalable as S3 if you build it to be, it has much simpler locks that make them easier to use so you might actually use them, keys can be longer than 1024 characters, actual directories exist.
That’s just the protocol level. The biggest benefit for me isn’t really at the protocol level, but part of the design of my own WebDAV server: deduplication. I can throw the same file into my server with 50 different keys, and it will only take up the space of one copy on disk. This basically moved the logic of deduplication from my application to the blob store. Mountains easier from an application design perspective.
There are use cases where S3 is better, but they are few and far between. And, WebDAV is extensible. You can build whatever functionality you need into it, rather than using some proprietary protocol.
Yeah WebDAV is significantly better for our use cases, S3 has so many weird limitations and it's hard to find clients for it.
New fork incoming in 3...2...
When Redis messed with their licensing terms a while ago, I thought to myself, "which project that I rely on will be next?" And I kept thinking it was going to be Minio.
So I switched from Minio to Garage a few months ago and it has worked great. I used the AWS cli to start copying everything over one evening, and when I woke up the next day, it was done. My S3 use is just one giant bucket for my music collection in Funkwhale, so I only had the one command to run. After updating the S3 urls in Funkwhale's configuration, everything was good to go.
This has all made me start paying closer to attention to what kind of organization is behind the various open source projects that I use. Garage is made by a web development shop in France -- they might even be a coop, or I might be thinking of someone else. I could be wrong about that last part. But they're definitely not a VC-backed operation like Minio.
Advantage of MinIO was for me the UI. Set custom bucket policies for Mastodon or Outline? No problem
Adding new users and bind them to one bucket? Easy via UI, same for creating buckets.
I don't know if Garage supports vHost access or only pathstyle. I need both. Another thing was generating a public access link, it was just a view clicks.
Even SSO was easy via UI. I never needed the CLI once. It just worked and was integrated. No third party tools needed.
I've never used it but I hear it is actually good but less well known
Monetary needs and all that. If it's a startup with VC then there is either not enough people paying or not enough private users supporting by other means like bug fixing, support, etc. Or greed by VC. But in general, what do we expect where the time comes from people spend on coding for us? See openssl that is essential and was about to loose its main dev. Pay or donate or contribute. Preferably to a non VC project.
Monetary needs and all that. If it’s a startup with VC then there is either not enough people paying or not enough private users supporting by other means like bug fixing, support, etc. Or greed by VC.
Well, VC is greedy by design. A VC-funded business will never be optimized for longevity, a good product or happy customers. They may achieve those things en passant, but they're never the objective.
For example: Any case of "there is not enough people paying" can also be rendered as "the scale and moving speed of the business is way off".
They not only force their user to buy their crap, they also intentionally and maliciously frame the AGPL in a certain way.
Luckily I wasn’t even using the UI in the first place, still, not a good sign and probably something to look into for replacement.
God damn it. I chose minio for my S3 implementation. I wonder if there is a migration path to garage...
mc mirror is a pretty straightforward method of migration. Should work if the other end is S3-compatible.
Fucking cunts.
Are they fucking kidding us? No more user management, no more sso, no more policies via UI... What the fuck? Changelog on Github says UI cleanup, but this is entirely a removal 🤬
I don't like the CLI for MinIO
Will switch back to 2.0, I hope for a fork.
Look into Garage
I quote myself from this reply:
Fork yourself!