Apple business executives ban Fortnite from iOS. People around the world - including in Europe - say their iPhone is preventing them from playing the videogame.
Apple bloque à nouveau Fortnite sur iOS, et même en Europe
It's happening again!
Didn’t they literally just lose a court case about this very thing?
So they're wilfully ignoring the EU's Digital Markets Act and a US court-ordered injunction that prevents them from punishing developers for trying to circumvent the use of the App Store for in-app purchases, after one of their execs was caught lying under oath and potentially facing criminal repercussions.
I'm not the biggest fan of Epic Games, but I really want to see this backfire spectacularly. Apple's business practices are so bad that it makes me want to see Tim Sweeney kick Tim Cook's ass in court.
If you care about freedom, use open source operating systems, and only buy hardware that support it.
say their iPhone is preventing them from Installing what they want.
Mind blown that's what you are paying 1000€ for every few years for you Starbucks capitalist - coffee (a coffee for about 25€ thats just a normal coffee so those Hippies can feel like they are fighting capitalism) drinking dipshit.
How does it take someone so long to realise one of the main points of a product they are buying? Like, its like if I'd use a toilet plunger from public bathrooms as totthbrushes, and just after getting e.coli 10 times I realised that they aren't there to brush teeth.
You want the 3 f's? Freedom, Foss and fortnite? Start standing up against such business practices.
Yes. I'll add to this that when I look at prices of hardware, it's not even an option. Buying an iPhone would be equivalent to buying a good laptop, except you just can't do much work on a PDA. When excluding actually doing work, as a tool for the job it's equivalent to something 4 times cheaper.
And in addition to that it has disgusting elitist advertising, relies on sweatshops for production, and isn't even fully usable without company's permission to run this or that.
I wanted one when I thought they look very cool.
To be fair, Theres not really any phone that dosent use sweatshops except fairphone if you disregard the Qualcomm and other proprietary parts
But yes, Its really shitty, like, I am using an old samaung S3 as internet radio to this day, and an S7 with lineage as Retroarch gaming console, and they both run completely fine with and without battery. If those were iPhones from that era, they wouldn't even work anymore
Wish people cared this much when Epic shutdown the servers for the Unreal Tournament games.
That title sounds redundant. "Apple banned fortnite. People are reporting that it's banned."
I surmised that people are more than just reporting the ban. They seem to be highlighting the unfair hand of Apple preventing them from doing what they want on their device
They targeted gamers.
Gamers.
We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.
We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.
We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.
Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.
Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?
These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.
Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
Is this a copy pasta? If it weren't for the 1 typo (8n), I'd swear this is a copy pasta. If it's not already, I'm definitely saving it and making it one. Nice pasta, bro
It's copy pasta, I've seen it before.
It definitely should be a copypasta, if it isn’t already. It has all of the right makings of a copypasta.
It's a copy pasta, either reddit or 4chan
GAmErS rIsE Up!
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If you don't want to be called racist misogynist rape apologists don't be racist, misogynist, or apologize for rape. Pretty simple. Gamers are not actually an oppressed identity my guy. Nobody is out to get you.
I don't know whether you've been alive during the "games make people violent" craze, where the establishment was trying to pin school shootings on a harmless hobby: The same establishment which caused the systemic issues driving youth into desperation was now blaming an escapist hobby for the issues they, themselves, caused. It's like framing jugglers for knife attacks. Do some jugglers juggle knives? Yes. Does that have anything to do with anything? No.
Is that in any way comparable in scale and intensity to what various groups had to go through historically, or are now, no of course not. But gamers, as a wider culture, know what it's like to be victim-blamed. The average person who picks up playing games as a hobby is not any more racist, misogynist, or drivelling rape apologia than the population average. They do it because they enjoy it, no further qualifications necessary.
But OTOH, nope. The copypasta is pumped-up to 11 when it comes to the capacity of gamers to be a community, to organise, take joint action, be a force, everything. I'd be easy to go "no true gamer" on some people but face it "gamers" as a group are still pre-ordering games and letting GPU scalpers have their way with us. Just as powerless as, say, football fans are powerless in he face of FIFA corruption. Concert goes in the face of ticket platform monopolies. We're a hopeless case in any other aspect but whinging: That, we are masters of.
Didn't they just have a court thing saying its illegal for apple to do so?
Good. Play better games. Like Elden Ring.
It's not good. In my understanding Fortnite didn't break any rules of appstore, so it was banned because of bias. Someone didn't like it so it got banned, which shouldn't happen in global market.
you're not even my real dad
Honestly Fortnite mobile wasn't very enjoyable to begin with
this might be enough for people to switch phones to android, you dont mess with peoples addiction to games.
Fortnite hasn’t been on iOS for like 5 years already at this point, anyone who was going to change ecosystem because of Fortnite is long gone.
There are so many platforms that Fortnite is on that it not being on iOS isn’t an actual issue.
They'll be right back unless they're downright chemically addicted. Android is a shovelware trash operating system.
Like for expample the Bluetooth quick tile sorting by most recently paired Instead of most recently connected (and no its not rearrangeable without re-pairing devices)
That's the most specific and irrelevant example I've ever heard in my life lol
"This car is unusable and nobody will ever like it! Did you know that under the trunk, if you look at it with a UV light, the paint pattern is using a slightly different hue than the rest of the body?"
And iOS has shitty notifications. Both os have their advantages and downsides.
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I get not liking android but your best example being that you can't sort Bluetooth devices is just ???
Wow, what a short-sighted view. Android, despite its many shortcomings, gives you orders of magnitude more freedom in almost every way imaginable. And none of its shortcomings are blocking you from using it, rather more or less annoy you.
nobody is forcing you to use the far superior operating system. it's funny because I'm pretty sure most Android developers use Macs, as do many developers, but everyone who likes to use FOSS and have control of their device uses an AOSP based OS on their device.
Keep it up Apple, keep pissing off the gamers. Shrink that monopoly. Seems pretty fucking insane that they can stop an app from working remotely. If an app that is being used to coordinate a rebellion takes off the US government can order Apple to disable its use. I hope the degoogling Android trend takes off further.
If you're trying to organise a rebellion via any privately owned company, you're a fucking idiot.
Yeah keep pissing off gamers. The pro consumer group that got lootboxes, battlepasses, denuvo, endless copy pastes and lazy remakes, nintendo and sony practises, shameless pay to win, day 1 on disk dlc, anti cheat that just blocks only linux users, not cheaters, kernel level anti cheat, ea and ubisoft clients on steam games and pay to win mechanics on already full priced games popular and successful.
Apple is NOT ready for the way gamers are going to make this practise normalized and profitable.
If an app that is being used to coordinate a rebellion takes off the US government can order Apple to disable its use. I hope the degoogling Android trend takes off further.
Apple already did this in Hong Kong to appease China. They took down apps that were used by protesters to coordinate, they even modified AirDrop so it couldn’t be easily used for ad hoc communication.
Imagine if now, at the height of their success, Apple finally decided, for the first time, to alienate the core audience they’ve always shown undying dedication to: gamers /s
It's actually Epic's fault this time. They pulled it from the EU app store.
Finding it hard to sympathise with either of these dickhead corporations. Let 'em sue each other into bankruptcy for all I care.
They pulled all iOS versions because their iOS update couldn't be approved in time (they're live service and need simultaneous updates on all platforms) and "Apple has blocked our Fortnite submission so we cannot release to the US App Store or to the Epic Games Store for iOS in the European Union."
Plus nobody playing Fortnite on an iPhone anyway
GaMeRs aren’t going to do shit to Apple lol. Fortnite hasn’t been on iPhones for years and Apple hasn’t been hurt one bit.
If an app that is being used to coordinate a rebellion takes off the US government can……
lol
They targeted gamers.
Gamers.
We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.
We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.
We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.
Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.
Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?
These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.
Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
I have a very particular set of skills…
The DMA should never have allowed Apple any oversight of apps distributed outside their store.
I don't think this is distributed outside their store, flashlight man.
Epic was planning to distribute it in its own store in the EU.
flashlight man.
I'll take it.
People buying Apple products want to be told by Apple what's allowed. The walled garden is core to Apple's product philosophy. It's not like everybody was expecting Apple to be super open and inclusive with anything and then be taken by surprise from the Fortnite situation. Even before they deprecated open standards because their own tech is supposedly evolving faster and are better integrated.
People wanting to play Fortnite on phones can just get a reasonably specced Android phone and install EGS next to Play Store with just a few taps.
People buying Apple products want to be told by Apple what’s allowed.
I get that this crowd generally thinks Apple is hellspawn, in spite of also having devices made by other, also shitty corporations, but this is just a dumb thing to say. They’re just devices. Yes some of us prefer them. I didn’t switch after every mainline Android phone from G1 through Nexus and Pixel because I wanted a paternal imposition of allowed apps. Stupid fucking comment.
Stupid fucking comment.
I was merely stating in simple words what Apple's product is and that their customers respond to exactly that. You choice of words shows that a loud fraction of their user base is a cult, though.
No, apple is a piece of shit for not allowing you to flash whatever firmware you want on there. It makes my job harder and no one wants to do ios pentesting because of that.
I hope that apple burns to hell.
Eh, not really. I buy Apple because I’ve had 3 Android phones crap out on me literally days after their warranty died. I got tired of that shit, I paid a bit more and got myself an iPhone 13. It still works as good as it did on the first day. While I do know that Apple devices have a set death day (when they stop getting security updates), I believe I generate far less e-waste by buying 1 iPhone every 7 or 8 years instead of buying a brand new Android every year.
As far as Fortnite goes, I don’t care for the game itself, but I am happy that they fought Apple in court and gave developers the freedom to implement third party IAP, albeit I have no use for it as I only use my phone for phone calls and messaging and the occasional web browsing.
I only use my phone for phone calls and messaging and the occasional web browsing.
Why not use a feature phone, then? Cheaper, more repairable, and the Nokia ones will also last longer.
Android is an operating system. It has nothing to do with crappy hardware. At least they're somewhat repairable when they do break.
What a disingenuous arguement.
You said you paid more for an iPhone, which means you were buying cheap Android phones and then complaining that they don't last. Well yeah, because they're cheap.
You can buy Android phones that make iPhones look like the budget option if you want to, I'm not advising it but it's possible.
buying a brand new android every year
We've had wildly different experiences with these companies, for what it's worth.
I bought an iPhone X back when they were new, and had to get it replaced twice within the first 6 months because of hardware failures.
Conversely, I kept my Pixel 3 (from 2019) until last year.
I had a MacBook, while I was typing on it, suddenly just turn off, never to be turned on again. Took it to the store, they told me it was cheaper to buy a new one.
Which Android phones did you have?
Again???
they big mad they can't tax it?
SailFishOS looking real good right now
Epic isn't wrong about Apples payment requirements being BS, but Epic also isn't exactly a hero here.
Will be interesting to see how this pissing match plays out over time.
Should you be able to use other payment providers outside of apple pay YES!
Should you be able to install other APP stores on an iPhone? Not sure.
Why shouldn't you be able to install whatever you want? Maybe I'm missing something..
You are missing the gene that makes one an apple fanBoi apparently.
You’re missing that you don’t make the OS, and the OS maker doesn’t have to make a way for you to be able to install whatever you want. Sony doesn’t let you install Switch games on your PS5, do they? Should they be forced to?
I am in the camp that there is a benefit to the managed store. Since moving family members to iOS devices the number of times they have loaded malware or asked me for help installing ANYTHING dropped to zero.
Should techies be able to side load if they want? Sure, should that be a primary install method? No.
their iPhone is preventing them from playing the game
Epic are the ones preventing Fortnite from being available on iPhones. They have no one to blame but themselves for the way they planned to intentionally break the App Store rules and had a lawsuit ready to go when it was rightly removed from the store.
They fucked around and found out.
Funny someone with your username would advocate for people who outright bought a piece of hardware to be controlled by the manufacturer in terms of what they can do with their device, while also forcefully taking an enormous cut of any transactions involving it.
Epic has forced Apple to give users more options, and that’s a good thing. Epic are usually the bad guys - this time they weren’t.
Epic intentionally broke the rules of the contract they agreed to, and had a lawsuit ready to go as soon as Apple rightfully removed their game from the store over the breach of contract. Epic were not the good guys.
You guys need to get this idea out of your head that the makers of the device that you bought need to provide ways for you to do what you want with it. They don’t, and any attempt to force them to write software to do so should be denied.
You can do whatever the hell you like with your hardware. Take it apart, take it fishing, try and hack it, have sex with it - whatever you want! But the device makers aren’t responsible for giving you ways to hack it.
I have a genuine question:
How does arguing in support of arguably bad business practices in general benefit you?
What are the “arguably bad business practices” here? I would argue that Epic pissing off the manufacturer of the most popular phones in the world, which have over 90% of all in-app purchase $$$$ spent in the mobile world, is bad business practice - not even arguably.
As for anything “benefiting me”……am I not allowed an opinion or to express it unless it’s echo chamber aligned? Is it only allowed if it ignores all logic and is just mindless anger against [insert big corporation name here]?
I’m giving context to the situation.