X.com blocks access to Ekrem Imamoglu, leader of Turkey political opposition
X blocks access to jailed Istanbul mayor's account after Turkey request, group says
Reason # 3,487 to get off/stop paying attention to X, the 'everything app'.
Well, that's one way to get off the Nazi platform.
But Elon has no clue why everyone thinks he's a nazi
Just a friendly gesture among right-wing autocrats.
Free-speech absolutists gonna free-speech.
Expecting Bluesky to do the same in a short while.
Why?
There needs to be some sort of unblockable self-hosted broadcast system where users can spin up their own cloud hosted instance by entering a username and password and choosing one of hundreds of providers for a small fee, or self hosted instance as quickly and easily as installing a single app on an android phone. These with act just like websites, but with a common protocol and API so they can communicate with each other and with clients with no specific add-on. Then, Turkey or whoever could block Turkish ISPs from fulfilling that request, but anyone else could still access the instance in their client as long as their own instance doesn't block it.
Hostable on a phone, a windows PC, Linux PC, self-hosted VM, cloud rented VM, whatever. And easily portable from one place to another.
Sure, uptime and reliability would suffer, EG when PC is turned off, but that's acceptable to gain resilience against ISP, central services like google and Facebook and twitter, and government interference.
I have designed a system to do this, using very reliable existing protocols and programming frameworks, I just don't have the time or money to invest to make it happen.
Hah, I designed one as well!
I think the flow of information has to be fundamentally different.
In mine, people only receive data directly from people they know and trust in real life. This makes scaling easy, and makes it impossible for centralized entities to broadcast propaganda to everyone at once.
I described it at freetheinter.net if you're interested
I have discovered the Gemini protocol yesterday.
Hosting what they call a capsule would be easy and extremely lightweight and I could surf from an index using an app called Lagrange, available on F-Droid.
Can you explain how your system differs?
He was prisoned on corruption charges before, which were just government funds being moved
Elon following Turkish censorship
Just do like I do. I blocked x.com quite a while back now. Along with several other trash sites like it.
I used to use it to find out information on local emergencies and stuff but now you have to log in and they don’t allow search or whatever so I never use it… I have a few accounts there but haven’t used them since at least x if not before I should probably mass delete my accounts there next time something happens
Nazi platform.
Make sure to stop clicking on Nazi links when people post them. No matter how bad you want to see someone "prank" someone or cry about their perceived persecution.
We need to stop making a Nazi platform important enough that it hurts democratic politicians when they lose access because of the Nazi in charge of said platform.
and if you absolutely must see something on twitter, use xcancel instead.
its a frontend for the same content, that doesn't add views or ad revenue to twitter.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X are also challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
You've called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
You've called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi, and that the person above didn't say anything about letting, the authoritarian regime in turkey off the hook.
I know they would comply just as well, as I stated in another comment, because they are a private platform, but actually in this case the presence on Bluesky of the Imamoglu account in perfect condition with 129K followers proves that something else must be the case here.
Also, X didn't give a shit about complying in Brazil.
Nah, Nazi platform does nazi stuff, it's that simple.
You can come down the mirror now.
I hear often Nazi this Nazi that? I think it has lost meaning. Can you explain what Nazi is? Vs Nazi from like WW2?
Some people wouldn't know a Nazi if he was sending people to camps without trial, trying to outlaw the political opposition, fomenting a cult of personality, launching coups, oppressing the most vulnerable people, ratcheting up racist attacks, and threatening to attack Denmark.
As a serious answer, Musk is into modern variants of eugenics and some scary techno-authoritarian stuff he shares with Peter Theil and other Silicon Valley royalty.
Maybe he’s a techno-neonazi? That’s just semantics.
His alleged Nazi salute is indeed kind of a red herring. But “Nazi” is an reasonable enough descriptor for his beliefs.
If you perform a Nazi salute, you're a Nazi.
Musk performed TWO Nazi salutes on national television during a presidential inauguration.
Musk owns X.
Anymore questions? Do I need to illustrate with crayons?
The word 'nazi' has 100% lost its meaning.
Might as well just be saying "I don't like this person or group of people because they disagree with me."
Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I'll even agree he's kinda better than many other variants.
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor... is a Nazi!
Holy shit, the sheer stupidity needed to come up with such a take!
You might find this interesting, because Erdogan is also a Kemalist (at least some variation of it).
Free speech absolutism at work
It’s frustrating that we knew he was full of shit when he was saying it. And now the evidence is showing it is bullshit. And it’s like it doesn’t even matter.
They know they can do that sort of shit because they hold the power. They can blatantly and unconvincingly lie, their followers will regurgitate those lies, but neither of them really believe them. They are just posturing and having fun with words, just like fascists always have done.
Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
"full of shit" = "standing up for free speech against governments that are trying to censor political opponents" ?
Fascist speech absolutism at work
To Der Elon that's the same thing.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Do you know how legal requests work?
Anyone still on Xitter is part of the problem.
Delete it.
Has Musk ever met a dictator he doesn't like?
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
X complied with a legal order, and are challenging it in court just like they do every other time a government orders something like this to be done.
Put the pitchfork away.
No one on X should expect anything better
If they're still on Xitter it means they approve of this
People on X expected what is actually happening, not what people in here think is happening (and hope it is).
This is what most people on X expect, which is to fight for free speech on X.
Seems like a good opportunity to frame Musk and Erdogan as allies.
You're saying it's not related to musk's political views?
The speech free platform continues to remove speech.
You can speak freely about whatever suits elon :-)
You said it, it's not a free speech platform, it's a speech free platform.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X also are challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
He needs a Blu Sky account ASAP
No, he needs a Mastodon account ASAP.
BlueSky has the exact same issue as Twitter, corporate control.
BlueSky would ban his account as well. It was banned in Turkey because of a legal request by the Turkish government. If they don't comply there are huge legal consequences.
Would BlueSky, the huge fans of censorship that they are, challenge the decision in court like X are though? Not a chance.
Edit: seems bluesky have already banned his account lol
Xitler.
I thought they didn't block political figures... Guess the muskrat just meant the figures he agrees with...
They comply with local laws and legal orders, like the one that forced them to do this:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X also are challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
He should go to Bluesky and get blocked there as well.
I was gonna say. Dude better go to the actual fediverse if he wants a reliable platform that wont be instantly taken down again.
Why would he get blocked there?
Bluesk
bluesky will block too.
You can check here >> https://programming.dev/post/28713862
He would get blocked there because BlueSky will comply with legal requests as well, because if they don't they will face criminal charges and/or massive fines. BlueSky, being a platform that loves censorship, would not challenge the legal order in court like X are either.
Even fediverse instance owners would be forced to block his accounts under threat of fines and/or prosecution.
edit: BlueSky have already blocked his account lol
One more reason to not put all of your social media eggs in the same basket.
Memba when Elon Fuck said it would be a town square where everyone can speak out?
Only people that Stinky agrees with.
I saw the headline and for a split second got excited for X-Com news. Instead, I got xitter.
A little context might have been nice, but then the musk hate and conspiracy theories would be harder to justify:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
They're also challenging the legal request in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
Yeah, he is forced to, but just to be clear, he will bitch for a month if this happens for thoroughly legitimate reasons in any country that is a functioning democracy e.g. UK, Brazil, Biden US, Germany, South Africa...
X is challenging the legal order in court btw:
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
Just like they have done and are doing in basically every country that makes legal demands like this.
Edit: the dogpiling in here is insane.
I post a link to a tweet where X spell out that they were FORCED by the Turkish government to ban the account, and that they are challenging the order in court because they don’t believe in this violation of free speech……and I get downvoted?
Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision. Erdoğan is known for silencing and jailing opposition and anyone with knowledge of Turkish politics is aware of this
Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.
No it's not. Did you even read the linked X Global Affairs post?
Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.
It's not a political decision, it's a legal one. If they don't comply then the entire site can legally be banned from the entire country, for example.
