Twitch’s new storage limits will purge huge swaths of Internet gaming history
Amazon-owned platform says “costly” historical archives don’t drive “engagement.”…
A hot and uneducated take: nothing of value will be lost. Nobody will ever go searching through a defunct twitch account's 142 hours of Minecraft speedrun attempts. If it's valuable, back it up locally
While I don’t particularly care about this specific thing, I have read articles and what not suggesting that the times we live in…. In the future, are going to be similar to the dark ages because there won’t be much data that survives from all of these companies deleting everything…
MySpace is another example… geocities before it…. We have paper zines that were printed in small quantities from before the internet was around, but stuff on the internet just disappears…
I think that’s why they even started the internet archive.
I'm surprised Twitch hasn't done this sooner honestly. Considering some users have tens of thousand of hours worth of 1080p full length streams, I can only imagine how many terrabytes of data these users have been utilizing on their servers.
This should be a cautionary tale for anyone that relies too much on the cloud. You need to have your own local backups for when, not if, this eventually happens to other cloud providers in the future.
I once received 1TB free 'lifetime' storage from a hoster. After gladly using it for 5 years, I suddenly had to start paying €5 per month because "they could not maintain the operating costs".
they should just build and maintain more datacenters to store millions of hours of useless video instead
Once again reinforcing the fact that "the cloud" is still someone else's computer. If you want control over your data, you really need to look into self hosting. Otherwise, don't be surprised when that someone else decides to change the rules for using their computer. I also can't help but think that the more the internet matures, the more the version we had in the 90's makes sense. Web 2.0 was a mistake.
The cloud is one of the worst industry terms ever created. Old people still have zero concept and ability to understand how it works. Just had to deal with this with a grandmother who "backed up everything to the cloud before I reset it!"
It basically started out as a literal cloud for "everything else" in network diagrams.
speedrun.com leaderboards are going to be a wasteland of dead links. What do we do with records that get lost?
I'm particularly worried about all the historical records. Summoning Salt & similar channels are gonna have problems after this, especially after the policy has been in place for several years and stuff made in this very era expires.
I wouldn't be surprised if Archive Team tries their best at archiving the current situation (difficult as it is) but nobody is going to bother doing it on-going and a WR obsoleted for months is interesting material only when edited into a documentary.
I'm way more surprised that Twitch even has video storage that old.
I have streamed a bit, and my videos were limited to one month? Maybe even less.
Twitch was never meant for video storage, so this move is not unexpected.
If you want to keep a video, download it, always. Even on Youtube you are not guaranteed to have videos forever. They still have my vid, which is almost 20 years old, nobody watches it... and it's helping no one.
Which is to say we need better preservation methods for digital content.
VODs do expire automatically, but Twitch has explicitly said in the past that if you want to archive something, highlight it. Highlights WERE meant for storage. So this feels like they're suddenly reneging on that.
Eh. The Internet is too full of useless crap thst costs energy to keep alive. No one needs endless swathes of boring videos. If there are some valuable recordings there, then they can preserve those.
Who gets to decide what’s valuable?
There's definitely a spectrum, but I would hope creators themselves could do that.
Hopefully the content creator instead of the platform.
We have all got very accustomed to the notion that we can put content on a website and it will stay there forever, permanently available, as if that site somehow has an obligation to look after it. But they don't.
It sucks, and there will be a lot of stuff lost, but it's also good to have a reminder that if there's data you really care about, you need to look after that data yourself.
It seems like since my generation had "If you put something on the Internet it'll be there forever" drilled into us as kids, many of us feel entitled to "the internet" preserving our data for us. Most people don't realize how much labor and resource usage goes into preserving data forever.
Did you genuinely interpret that as a child to mean "If you put something on the Internet will be safe forever"?
As I'm sure you are now aware as an adult, the intended meaning is very much "If you put something on the Internet which is embarrassing to you or damaging to your reputation, then it will be around forever"
It's a warning that the things you don't want to stick around could end up being precisely the things which do.
In announcing the change, Twitch cited the "costly" indefinite storage of these highlights, which it says are responsible for "less than 0.1% of hours watched" across the site.
I don't know how many hours are watched on Twitch, but I bet it's so many that 0.1% is still a fuckton of hours.
it definitely is and I bet a lot of the people that are watching them are spending more money on the site than many other people because they are so dedicated to a content creator.
it's not as easy as it sounds. The hosting on Twitch wasn't just for videos but for the chat logs synced to that video as well. So you can't just download the videos and upload them somewhere else you have to download them using Twitch's shitty tools so that you get the chat as well.
That takes a lot of time but they only got about a month to do that. And that assumes that one actually has the time, energy, access and expertise to download the stuff. What about disabled streamers? What about families of deceased streamers? They now have a month to figure all this stuff out if they even receive the news at all.
It sucks but I understand the reasons. Anything of true importance to someone should have been downloaded and/or upload somewhere else as it happens.
Streamers can host it themselves. From what I hear around Lemmy hosting and streaming video is so cheap it can be done without money from ads ;)
"cheap" is relative.
Another win for peertube and owncast.
It’s time to use Peertube and Owncast!
Peertube won't cut it. Those people in the article have thousands of hours of videostreams there. If you're streaming at 1080p, that will be around 1.5GB of storage per hour. 4k will be worse. So if you have 5000 hours of videos like the one guy in the article, that is a neat 7500GB or 7.5TB of video. There is no instance around that will allow you to save that amount of videos.
So hosting your own instance would be the only way. Looking at Hetzner storage box, 10TB of data will cost you 25€/month or 300€/years. That is money, but should be possible to pay out of your own pocket.
Good, that's a part of the internet that brought more brainrot than anything.
Well, yes.. there's a lot of brainrot and useless content there, but also a lot of fond memories for people. Not all streamers are made equal. You're also forcing all the GDQs, esport tournaments and all the individual moments from over the years to find a new hosting source..most likely youtube.. whose monopoly we're also trying to get away from. (at least I hope they can download and upload somewhere else, because if not...)
Again, server space and app stores are the new feuds of the modern feudal lord. The sooner all that dies and we can rebuild a decentralised model, the better. It's a shame for the fond memories, however, how pathetic one's life has to be that its fond memories are on Twitch surrounded by ads for gfuel and hello fresh...
