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'Stop Playing Nice,' Says AOC as Senate Dems Help Approve Yet Another Trump Nominee

www.commondreams.org 'Stop Playing Nice,' Says AOC as Senate Dems Help Approve Yet Another Trump Nominee | Common Dreams

Democratic lawmakers are outraged at Elon Musk's takeover of federal agencies, calling it the beginning of a dictatorship. Rep. Ocasio-Cortez demands action to stop Musk's power grab and urges Democrats to block Trump's nominees.

And this is why Democrats will keep losing.

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People think the Democrats are losing relevance because they're "Too woke", and "No one cares about transpeople when there are bills to pay"
It's really because they do shit like try to compromise with someone who wants to kill you by agreeing to let them cut off an arm.
- "I don't want any harm to me?"
  Republicans: I want blood. You have it. Give your body to me to harm.
  Democrats: Look he said he wants blood, have you considered they are frustrated with this economy? Maybe a figner as an olive branch will solve this. ...not mine.
  
  how will you protect trans people?
  Interview question
  I'll follow the law
  Harris.

No. Send in Schumer again. Surely it'll work this time.

At this point US needs leaders who can mobilize people and spearhead protest marches in the street. AOC is perfectly positioned to call for such protest march. If she does that and become figurehead of the Dem Allies against MuskTrump axis,, she might get elevated to same status as MLK and may be even Lincoln. And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
- Kamala lost and she lost badly. She’s not going to be the figurehead
  
  it wasn’t that badly by the numbers, it was badly by the electoral college….
  incidentally trump won every and only states that passed new voter suppression laws….
  this election was stolen and that’s only one piece of it….
  i still hate kamala, but she won.
- And on that note, why Kamala is quiet ?
  Kamala Harris is the new Hillary Clinton. The GOP boogeyman and now political poison after she embarrassingly lost to Donald Trump.
  Kamala Harris was deeply unpopular both before and during the Biden administration, and (sorry to say it, but it's true) she was largely picked because there was pressure for Biden to pick a minority female to "balance out" the fact that he was a white man. You know how some people, particularly (but not entirely) on the right, believe that affirmative action means that minorities end up getting positions that they otherwise probably wouldn't have gotten because someone needs to fill a "diversity quota" or whatever? That's how a lot of people felt about Harris -- picked not because of her qualifications, but because she was a black woman.
  She's basically been the poster child for this as far as the GOP is concerned ever since. And not in a good way. Right now, with anti-DEI sentiment gaining traction in this country at a record pace and DEI initiatives becoming political battery acid, the last thing you want as the face of the movement is someone believed to be the poster child for DEI initiatives run amok.
- I do not think AOC has remote same appeal or adeptness of rhetoric to ever do something like this. Would recommend listening to MLKs speeches if haven't already. Someone like that will come eventually, but they can't be forced into that position. Also, the situation has to call for it. If it were possible to wake up and choose to be MLK we'd have a million.

These aren't Democrats we're talking about, they're just more affluent folks trying to keep their pockets lined. Moral bankruptcy is a required trait to be a politician these days apparently
- When they're allowed to fly the democrat flag, then they are democrats and it's right for us to judge the group based off their actions.

10+ brand new accounts commenting in this thread, with 2 of them less than a day old. Did Lemmy get an influx of new accounts or are these bots?
- Hello, new acct. I have no particular reason for joining besides discovering the existence of this place when booting my android.
- Some Reddit users. Reddit was A/B testing a zuckservative sub Reddit ban, so spooked people probably. I found my way here thru a Reddit thread.
- Reddit had a "bug" that banned all NSFW and lgbtq+ subs stating that they were inactive (they were not) and ONLY those subs. So a bunch of people moved here (myself included now that most subs I follow moved here)
- Probably both!
- bots

Where are all the 2a folks who are going to stop the 'tyRAnNicAl gOvERnMenT'
- You mean the responsible gun owners who don't shoot until they have verified the target, cleared the surroundings and are ready to kill?
  We're not quite there yet.
- They're helping a tyrannical government seize power. Time to exercise your rights.
  
  Not american, watching from the outside
- It's our tyrannical government, so it's okay.
  
  "Tyranny is only when the evil Commie Leftists tell you that its wrong to call peoppe by slurs."
  -- Average 2A supporter mindset
  
  you know 2a extends to every american, not just the ones who want to marry kids?
  
  More like they wouldn't know a tyrant even if one shouted "I'm a fucking tyrant".

i have a question - where is Kamala Harris in all this ? She lost the prez race and decided to just give up on her dreams of creating a better USA? This is the perfect moment for her to step up, invite people for resistance, lead that resistance and be the leader she claimed to be.
- She was a failed candidate in 2020, picked based largely on identity for VP by a presidential nominee that was really only liked as a remnant from a administration for which he was also picked largely based on identity. Towed the party line during increasing displeasure with the party heads, then failed spectacularly in an election.
  Even if I believed she truly had dreams of creating a better USA, it's best for her to not be prominent member.

It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment. The fact that she is able to articulate our current crisis is amazing.
- She’s one of the most prominent progressives in America there are few more appropriate choices.
- It should not be on her shoulders to explain this moment.
  I can think of no shoulders more capable.
  
  It should not be on her shoulders only.

The democrats are the assistance. And people seem to not be able to figure this out.

Both parties need to split up into new parties. However, the money flowing is incentive to prevent them from doing that. Party splits have happened before several times in US history. This time the billionaires are funding all of this chaos thanks to legislation they started passing since post Watergate. How do we get them to split? Take the money out or give them more money than the billionaires can. Both resolutions that should not require drawing blood. How do we do that? I have no idea how to fund more money than billionaires, but being somewhat of an optimist, 99% of the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue.
- TBH we should probably stop regurgitating state propaganda trying to convince us that violence isn't a valid form of protest.
  Because the rich have backed themselves into a corner where the only thing that will snap them out of their delusions of world domination is to be forced by the rest of us to confront their own mortality.
  
  A la Luigi
  
  In this climate, you are giving them what they want with violence. BLM is now considered terrorism and did not accomplish their objective. The violence was hijacked by people that just wanted to loot and plunder and gave fuel to the media demonize it. Lives were also needlessly lost and a lot of property destroyed for a brief moment of fleeting justice. Need I remind everyone the Civil Rights Movement, just as a violent time, was not achieved with protestors throwing the first stone. Defend yourself for sure, but don't instigate it.
  Those that call for violence on either side are the first to cower or get killed on the front line and drag the rest of us into their mess. There is no regurgitation of state propaganda in my statement. What's wrong with holding a sign up that says "Fuck President Musk" ? We all know both of those clowns have thin skin. Make that your chant and make them hear it. Get into their heads. Make them fall on their own sword for once.
- Once Conservatives and “centrists” stop handing power to the worst people we could probably just start reversing this global shift to the right even just with that. Progressive candidates are all over, we’re just too collectively stupid to vote for them.
- the population can probably figure out a way once they stop this tribal mentality of red vs blue
  which is never going to happen. one side has to lose. buy guns.

It isn't playing nice if you know the people you're approving are fascists. It makes them rolling over even worse. Republicans had no issue obstructing whenever they felt needed.
- I've tried talking to Trump voters. It's fucking impossible because they live in an alternate universe and see a completely different reality than everybody else.
  
  There is no way to get through them tbh. They worship rich people want to be the next wealthy billionaire no matter what the cost. They have no demands of policy net positive for their own countrymen at all.
- You are a weird, see it with your eyes, or congress.
  
  How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

AOC is 100% correct.
- She's saying the thing the Radical Tankie Left has been saying since the Clinton Era. It's good to hear someone in her position repeating the message one more time. But the fact that it has to come from a fringe member of a fringe caucus, rather than - say - Hakeem Jefferies or Dick Durban, is depressing.
  We're so far away from a McConnell style "We're going to make Obama a one-term President" moment. Liberals simply cannot understand politics as conflict. Its always just make'n deals for your district's rich friends and stuffing your own pockets along the way.
  
  Liberals ✊✊✊💦💦💦
  Updoots to the left
- She suggested the full dem party to stop focusing on pronouns and idpol way back when Biden was still on ballots.
  She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
  
  She took her pronouns out of her bio which is 100% correct, no one cares about that shit
  Except for the people with gender neutral names

"We're literally losing our democracy!!!"
votes for it to continue for the 200th time in a row
"How could this happen?!"
helps them do it again
- Sounds very democratic of them
- A vote for the democrats is a vote for Trump.
  
  Uhhhh

Fuck the democrats. Let's take BERNIE and AOC, and replace the rest in the next election.
- That's part of what the republican partys done that's made them so successful. If your representatives don't represent you, primary them.
  
  Shit, Democrats don't even give us a chance to primary, they just pick whoever they want.
  In NJ, they had what was referred to as the county line, which would basically put the Democratic party's candidate first on a ballot. It was abolished this year, but the idea was that the positioning on the ballot made it easier for people to just vote down the line, but the result was that you didn't necessarily have a fair vote.
- They're not even good enough. Both of them are turncoats. Bernie "the word genocide makes me quesy" Sanders is voting in Trump's nominees. AOC endorsed Kamala and reinforced the "working tirelessly for a ceasefire" bullshit, every two minutes she's folded on something new.
  
  AOC endorsed Kamala
  Right, I'm sure the current situation is better than endorsing Kamala...
  
  You know what, I'd take "not good enough" over "actively dismantling our democracy", but fuck me I guess
  
  I mean I disagree, but I am curious. Who then?

AOC and others who are prepared to fight this bullshit need to spin off their own political party. I figure it would only take the departures of a handful of high-profile progressives to make the whole house of cards fall. The country is being pillaged, and the Dems’ response has been completely fucking impotent. Time to build a new party that isn’t run by geriatric milquetoasts.
- spin off their own political party
  I think the idea behind organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America and the Working Families Party is to have party-like organizations that work within the Democratic party so they don't act as "spoilers" given the 2-party system. (I could be wrong about that tho...)
  
  This is how they lose.
  If you had a party actually for the people, you would get a lot of the Trump votes as well. Most of MAGA weren't about racist bullshit or half of what's happened since the changeover.
  They are tired of the corporate and government corruption and Trump promised (lied) to do something about that. We need to offer the same hope without all the hate. We need to offer change without just saying the other side is evil. It isn't the 'other side' that is the problem. It's the corrupt people in positions of power and the ones that tell you to blame the 'other side'.
  
  Who the fuck cares about spoiling a vote between mask off and mask on fascist. The democrats are lost we need real leadership.
- It's too late for that.
  
  No it isn't and talking that way is not helpful. Although, if you're ready to give up before experiencing any actual consequences of all this then you weren't going to be much help anyway.
  
  And people say .ee has the worst responses

The elite Democrats aren't worried about fighting back.
They are trying to figure out how they can win the next round AND HOW THEY WILL USE THE SYSTEM TO THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE ONCE THEY REGAIN CONTROL.
We need another party that is actually for the people.
- Green party right there
  
  Green "Sitting Down With Putin For Dinner" Party?
  Yeah, we want a party not beholden to oligarchs...
  
  Stop nominating psycho con artists and we can talk.
  
  What if I don't believe in the healing power of crystals?

Playing nice again nazis always worked out fine. Remember how we defeated Hitler by just asking him politely to stop killing people?
- Is Neville around? We should ask him.

If there’s one thing corporate dems hate more than the Republicans, it’s AOC and her squad.
- Most of the long timers are rich white people in safe seats, so Republicans are no threat to their personal interests but a challenge from the left is.
- Yeah, besides when she's endorsing their candidates and voting the exact same way as the rest of them.

@inclementimmigrant
IKR?!
WTF Dems...?
Stop enabling a tyrant. This is gonna bite you in the ass quicker than you thing.
- I mean what the fuck are they even doing?
  When the Republicans were out in 2020, they pushed back on everything and everyone, fuck the consequences, which there never are any, and let their base know they had their backs regardless, and even if they voted they damn well made it known they did so reluctantly.
  Here you've got Democrats who aren't even putting things up for a fight and then they have members going on air touring how great these guys are, fucking Fetterman.
  There's no spine in any of these Democrat assholes so why the hell would I vote for any of them at this point if your going to make it easy for fascists? There is no lesser of two evils now, just sickening enablers.
  
  They're doing what they always did: uphold the status quo.
  The veil is pulled back, neither party (save for a few progressive senators) actually gave a shit about anyone but themselves. The DNC was just better at pretending, using rainbow capitalism to hide it.
  
  @inclementimmigrant
  They still govern by 'gentleman rules' but the GOP and Trump aint fucking gentlemen. They're fucking Nazis using the system against them...
  
  Perhaps the Dems realize there won't be another vote, and they're better off kissing ass now if hey want their jobs.
- Then they'd piss off their own donors too...
  You know when the last big cut to the federal workforce was?
  The 90s when Clinton was in office.
  You know what trump was doing in the 90s? Donating so much to the DNC that the Clinton's came to one of his sham weddings.
  If you want to know why neoliberals aren't opposing Donald Trump, it's because they've literally been working together to destroy the federal government and replace it with oligarchs for the last 30 years.
  So stop acting surprised already, and start opposing them.
  
  Say it with me:
  👏 Democrats👏 are👏 not👏 coming👏 to👏 save👏 us👏
- Ah but bipartisanship. Mr. Hitler will surely see sense any day now, if we're polite and reasonable and try not to anger him.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Democrats would rather be fascists than fight fascists.
But when you try and run a campaign as off-brand, Mr Pibb, diet-fascists..

Fear of reprisal.
Once all these confirmations are done, you may see senators that voted against mysteriously fall out of windows.
- Oh please, even Democrats who did vote for these unqualified fascist will get thorium poisoning.
  
  Appeasement will not save anyone from the night of long knives.

The only way anything she says will have any impact is if she start getting the army ready to launch a counter-coup, or else starts building a leftwing militia.
No amount of not-nice wordsmithing and congressional wankery is going to work -- we're past that point now.
- Uncanny, Lemmy took the mask off and became a bunch of actual unhinged psychopaths calling for a military coup d'etat LMAO 🤣

Stop salty or buttering it up.

The best time for that would have been several years ago, but... hey, I mean, do it?

"But both parties are not the same" they screamed as the country burned and the elites on both sides of the aisle lined their pockets off the backs of their suffering constituents.
Come now children and give me your downvotes and paragraphs of bullshit telling me I am wrong.
- They may both be shit, but they arent the same....
  
  I mean we're talking just on paper at this point when the Democrats are enabling these neo-Nazi assholes and not putting up meaningful opposition.
  I've defended people for both siding shit but damn at this point when you've got Democrats passing Laken Riley Act, which allows immigrants to be deported for being accused of fucking shoplifting and Democrats not only voting for Trump's neo-nazi, dog killing, environment killing nominees and then going on air and waximg poetic about the votes for them. What fucking shitty opposition party is this? It's not.
  Your right, both parties are not the same, ones worse as a enabler of abusers, they're more pathetic than Trump's Republicans.
- https://youtu.be/32iCWzpDpKs

Agreed. It has gone too far.

Pot meet kettle

If only AOC stopped playing nice with the rail corporation and didn't vote to prevent a union strike.

I honestly do think they could have pushed through a lot worse than Burgum and Rubio. Hegesth didn't get a single D vote and also lost 3 R votes but still got approved because they only needed 50 R and 1 VP to tiebrake it.
We cannot stop fascism, the people already voted for it, the most we can do is damage control, and sometimes that means approving selfish assholes who at least aren't as poisonous as another Russian Plant and/or Fox News Host.

Jesus fuck, the dems are as shitbrained as the fucking returdlickans

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