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Elon Musk Suggests Getting Rid Of All Regulations In Midnight Call

www.huffpost.com Elon Musk Suggests Getting Rid Of All Regulations In Midnight Call

"If it's not possible now, it'll never be possible," Musk said of his proposal to simply ignore all federal regulation as a baseline.

He's just going to get people killed. But that's ok he doesn't give a shit anyways, so it's moot. What are a few thousand dead peasants when we could make big stock number go up?

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a few *million dead peasants
and if another nation attacks while we're dismantling ourselves, a few *tens of million dead peasants.

This would immediately isolate the US. Nothing would leave its perimeter.
Moron speaking absolute nonsense yet again.
- I hope his submarine implodes

immigration policies are federal regulations on the labor market. i say we open the borders

Get rid of SEC regulations so he can be defrauded on the stock market. Get rid of copyright and trademark laws so his parts can be made by anyone and his company names reused.

Is he including Private Property among these discarded regulations?
- Or Federal firearm restrictions?
  Dakka-dakka-dakka-dakka.
  Just sayin'.

Side note, Im still not buying this "Worlds richest man" Label.
I believe that title still belongs to Vladimir Putin. his wealth is not published though. He Robbed a vast nation blind to the point that he is a living god in Russia.
- If that's how Putin got rich, Elon is soon to catch up
- He mostly lives off debt with tesla being the collateral. Of tesla shares tank hes going to get margin called so to speak
- I've been reading for 20+ years that the real richest in the world are oil barons in the middle east. I believe a few people are projected to have up to a trillion dollars in assets/wealth etc, but they aren't celebs or post about it via publicly traded organisations etc.
  Who knows though
  
  I mean the House of Saud is worth over a trillion dollars I believe.
  Putin could also easily have over a trillion dollars in assets, but they'd obviously be hidden. Does he? We'll never know.
- Putin has Musk and Trump by the balls, for sure.
  
  I think its less of a master giving orders to a dog dynamic, and More of a "I'll have mine, you have yours" dynamic.
  I still dont know if they are fucking crazy enough to try it. but this is whats in the back of my mind with this aggressive and jingoistic rhetoric against Canada, the EU, and Ukraine.
  America may have stepped down from the stage of the Free world, and the Free world may very well be finished. but whats left of it still has nuclear weapons.

Remember that we're not allowed to call for violence, but it's okay when Elon does things like this, because allowing industry to poison whole towns isn't violence, it's just capitalism.
- This horrible for sure, but it's worth noting they just made it so there are no on-paper repercussions for industry poisoning people. Poor people in rural areas have been getting poisoned (and/or driven from their homes) all along. Major media and unfortunately even EPA officials (as we saw for East Palestine) seem to just ignore or bury it most of the time, similar to the treatment environmental activists have reported when there's an oil spill/leak and media don't want to touch it. Here's the latest example I've heard about recently. (I'm not specifically trying to follow this stuff incidentally, but I'm always interested in who corporate media tend to ignore or treat unfairly.)
- Sharing the names of Musk's helpers? Not okay.
  Letting nuclear plants operate in a way that risks big swaths of the country uninhabitable? Totally cool.

My power company fucked up my autopay, they then preceeded to not tell me, then they shut off my power without a note or an in person heads up, leaving it indistinguishable from a regular outage until it was dark and my neighbors lights turned on and their billing department was closed for the night. In February.
I'm saying this because all this was illegal thanks to regulations. I reported it to the government because it was danger, irresponsible, and a dick move. I think a lot of people think of regulations as stuff like wheelchair ramps and no knowingly giving entire towns cancer, but it's also shit like this, that you have to tell people that you shut off their power for non-payment and warn them before you do so they don't have to spend a night eating takeout by candlelight for no reason.

World's richest person drunk on power
News at 11

Why americans even pay taxes?
- For the military and giving handouts to billionaires.

Silver Spoon Autist Nazi Watched Iron man, and Played Cyberpunk, and became infactuated with the fiction of Tony Stark, and Sovereign Corpos. and decided "I want that"
- Autistic people aren't born spoiled or privileged and certainly don't all have entitlement issues. Let's not treat Autism as an insult please.
  
  yeah this is a huge problem even on lemmy. i guess ableism is cool to a lot more people than i realized

If industrialists can pollute wherever they want, we should be allowed to live wherever we want. Private property is just a regulation at the end of the day.
- Rich people can afford private well-armed security guards... (No, the police don't count since we're not doing regulations any more)
  
  Well time to stockpile then
  
  The police are the weak armed security guards for rich people....

Do you want Corporate Wars? Because this is how you get Corporate Wars.
Good luck, chooms.

Hey, Elon: I got some fresh snake oil that will make your dick bigger, make you actually good at video games, and women will actually want to have sex with you and not just because you have more money than fucking God.

I feel like I'm a crazy person, but I'm starting to believe the conspiracy of tech billionaires trying to dismantle the government to create network states. I'm almost certain they will gut the SEC eventually as well, so they can deregulate cryptocurrency. This was a summary I've recently read: Day One of Venture Capital Takeover.
Everyone should google Network States and the cities these VC billionaires are trying to create. Stuff like Próspera, Pronomos Capital, Praxis Nation, Bitcoin City in El Salvador, Afropolitan in Africa etc. etc. The same website has long page on it: The Status of the Network State. They are essentially creating sovereign states or cities that aren't beholden to any local government laws and use their own deregulated cryptocurrencies, so that they can control all the rules and power within.
I have no idea how trustworthy the site I linked is, but I can't see what they would gain from lying about it
- Peter theil has been working on it for at least a decade
- For a fee and a background check, one can become a citizen of Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong, Inc., which operates as a sovereign entity within the various territories around the globe in which it has franchises.
- Bitcoin City in El Salvador will never happen now, because they no longer have it as legal tender.
  https://ticotimes.net/2025/02/02/el-salvador-abandons-bitcoin-as-legal-tender-after-failed-experiment
  
  That's hopeful to hear, but just reading the article, two things stand out:
  The reform eliminated the word “currency” when referring to bitcoin, but says it is “legal tender.” Despite the lack of clarity, it lifts, as required by the IMF, the obligation to accept it in transactions or debt payments, a key condition for it to be “legal tender,” according to economic analysts. With the change, “if someone owes you money and wants to pay you in bitcoin, you can refuse to be paid in bitcoin, but you cannot refuse if it’s legal tender,” economist Carlos Acevedo explained.
  The government, she assured, will continue buying bitcoin and having reserves in this cryptocurrency. According to the National Bitcoin Office, El Salvador has 6,050 bitcoins worth $634.8 million. “President Bukele continues buying bitcoin, we have a Bitcoin Office, we have the Bitcoin Law, bitcoin can be used in El Salvador. It hasn’t been an easy road,” Mayorga summarized.
  They are just removing it as "legal tender" to meet the conditions for an IMF loan and will continue investing in bitcoin.

Decades upon decades of progress are going to be gone by the end of this.
We'll spend the rest of our lives living in a system slowly being rebuilt, if we even get that lucky.
There goes our futures. And we voted for it.
Truly a shit nation full of shit people.
- Voting ourselves out of a democracy was always a choice.
- Imagine us growing up at the peak of civilization (1999, per the Matrix) and not knowing it.
  Now we're going back to the 1800s with robber barons and 20 hour/7day workweeks.
- With RFK Jr pitching in, you're going back hundreds of years.
- Yes, but the libruls made them do this, because woke/dei/crt and the trans. The amount of actual TDS (transphobic derangement syndrome) out there is something to behold.
  The crazies are obsessed with trans and other bullshit that has no impact on their lives (b-roll of migrant caravans, poor people living high on the hog on steak and lobster, etc) that they are completely willing to end democracy over it. Not even fucking kidding. It's one thing when you see the elites saying democracy is over, it needs to be shunted aside so they can rule, it's quite another when they have convinced a lot of stupid peasants to say the same kind of shit. As if the peasants' lives won't be remarkably worse under what the elites have planned....
- The wounds are too deep for rebuilding, imo. Even if we do get the chance, there's just not enough Band-Aids, political will, and time in four years for the democrats to repair it. We're facing the complete implosion of our federal government and its legitimacy along with it.
  
  The worst part is that there's not enough of an organized opposition to stop it, or even really slow it down. Neither major political party acts in favor of the people; major news outlets and social networking tools are owned by billionaires; a sizeable chunk of the country is perfectly OK with getting ratfucked so long as José next door gets it worse. We aren't facing the implosion of the USA into a TechnoFascist Hellscape, we're LIVING IT.
- B-bu-but grandstanding uncommitted Jill Steiners told me not to worry and they're all the same though!!?
  
  Well, keep in mind that Biden was indecisive about Gaza...
- Don't worry. WW3 will be the world against the US within the next decade.
  
  Is a decade ten months now?
- The future is a foreign land.
- Most of them are just caught in the gears of history. It's not as if voting was ever mandatory or generally made available to the working class.
  But yes, a nation asleep at the wheel for the most part. It's such a pity.
- You are …and only a handful of people are going to be better off for it. It’s fucking wank, and it’s not just USians that are going to feel the hit, cause many other countries will use you as a blueprint.

Deport Elon.

Cool!
I'll open up my bakery and sell bread thatbisnhalf saw dust and alteady so old that worms crawl out.
I'll sell water that will cure cancer aids and I'll just hire a few actors to testify to this.
Man I'm gonna be rich
- And your cancer cure water can be full of sewage and toxins and that's just fine with Elon Musk, so long as you're making a profit.

So I visited Bangladesh one time, and learned they have insanely high rates of cancer there. Why? Well it turns out that (among other reasons) the farmers had been injecting formaldehyde into their vegetables because it made them last longer on the shelves, and therefore sold better.
This is what you get with no regulations. A sick and dying population.
- "regulations are written in blood" is a quote for a reason
- I spent a decade living around Africa, and this kind of thinking is common. DDT was what everyone put on the tomatoes because pests mean loss of food. Who wants that?
  Lack of relations is only about living in short-term survival thinking 24/7. Long term effects mean nothing.
  
  DDT isn't going to cause health problems for the people in Africa. It will cause problems for some birds near the top of the food chain however.
- Go read about how horribly adulterated food was in Europe and the US in the 1800s and before. They'd add sawdust to flour, chalk, toxic metals, rotten meat was sold regularly, etc. Patent medicines were essentially drug trafficking or just scams. Soldiers in the Spanish-American war were supplied with canned meat from the US Civil War. I saw an old film from the time the Pure Food and Drug act was passed showing a can of meat being opened and it literally shot out from the gasses inside.
  
  Well, the Libertarians and Republicans had their heads poisoned with total rot like Ayn Rand's horrible sci-fi, and then spent the past several decades screaming about how derrp, we don't need no regulations!
  Now I guess we all get to find out along with these dolts.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
  
  Do you have examples of this stuff happening in continental European countries? I'd love to jump down that rabbit hole.
  In the past I've read descriptions of systematic bad practices in the industrialized Uk, but I can't recall reading about similar things happening in other western European countries. Nothing systematic anyhow. I'd image that the french would have had a(nother) revolution if anyone had tried that stuff with their food.
- Fair point, on the other hand, have you considered line must go up?
  
  Seriously. It's like no one realizes the literal most important thing in all of the world.
  Line go up.
  Fuck your family, fuck your health, fuck your safety, fuck yo couch, fuck the environment, LINE GO UP!
  C.R.E.A.M.
  .... Fml
  
  What? And sacrifice my bonus?
  Think of the money to be made from selling medical care for contaminated food.
- They will just call it Freedom Juice™ and write on the packaging that it makes the food taste more better.

In my experience, if you have a boss that bitches about OSHA and how they're totally unnecessary, you've got a shitty boss. I'm talking the kind that would get you killed to save a nickel and then go on about how they're the real victims of you going and getting yourself killed like that.
- Yeah, as someone who has to design around Osha, I fucking love them. It's incredibly convenient to have "safe enough" written down and with requirements that I can tell the money people I'm professionally obligated to not knowingly contribute to bypassing. And the recommendations are great, "we won't stop you, but if you get sued you're at fault" is excellent.
  Without this, employees will still get hurt, they'll still sue in accordance with the employers legislatively maneat3e requirement to maintain a safe working environment, but now without chevron and without Osha recommendations and requirements I have no idea what the judge will decide. And furthermore I don't have a handy guide to safe enough. And without that I'm left grappling with management and my conscience and my limited knowledge of something related to but not fully my field.
  I feel the same about the EPA. These regulatory bodies are great reference tools to obligations that remain.

I say we get rid of all patent and IP laws too and see how he does.
- Throw copyright on the pile too, lot of billionaires coating off that shit
- No, that like that! -fElon
- Now THAT is a good idea
- This is how you can fight back and help us. This would be very effective.
- Probably okay honestly. IP isn’t as strong of a barrier as the infrastructure to build the product. And he has both a car factory and a rocket factory. Twitter is the only thing that might annoy him but it’s already being cloned so there’s very little there to protect anyway.
- All he gonna do on that front is to empower his and others' AI companies even further...

This man gotta stop! This is getting out of hand.
- (Assuming you are American) No my friend, YOU must stop him. If you do your duty, voting, and working as hard as possible during campaigns to get the reasonable choice elected, yoy are doing your duty. If all you do is bitch, this is what you get.

You have to remember that musk literally, unironically, thinks we're npcs. He actually genuinely does not think that the masses of poor people are actually people.
So no, he won't fucking care.
- He should maybe remember that the deathclaws that punish you for skipping straight to New Vegas are also NPCs.
  
  He paid someone to get past that part for him.
- You got a little extra negative there.
  Not negativity, you can't overstate the direness. Just grammar.
  He actually genuinely thinks that the masses of poor people aren't actually people.
  
  Yep fixed, fat thumbs on a tiny phone screen
- So he's Homelander. That's wonderful.
  
  He fucking wishes.
- Pretty sure that level of delusion is comparable to Chris-chan. Which is fitting because if there are two people I want nothing to do with outside of homicide its them. Musk because he is a sub human Anglo African and Chris-Chan because im pretty sure id default to mercy killing them.
  
  How is Chris-chan on one level with musk? I believe you, I just genuinely do not know
  
  I'm glad to see fellow Christorians out here.

From my point of view from the other side of the Atlantic, you guys in the US don't have enough regulation as it is. There's only one class of people that benefit from removal of the regulations you do have, and that's the top 1%. It's just going to allow them to do all of the following to make more money, at everyone else's expense.
1: Treat their employees worse than they already do, AND put them into dangerous situations legally. 2: Cut corners to save money at the expense of safety. Think airlines, airliner manufacturers, car makers, construction. The list here could be endless. 3: Well, finance/banking regulations. That will be a field day for the finance sector I'm sure.
I mean the list is potentially endless. But the three points above will keep you busy for long enough I reckon.
No, I don't really feel safe even this far away. We're not immune to all of this anywhere in the world.
- Your list has most of the highlights, but you're missing 2 really important one: 1. food safety. I guess Americans don't care what is being sprayed on their vegetables or what diseases their meat might have. And 2. environmental. Burning rivers, even more wildfires, smog in all your cities, toxic waste in your lakes, etc. Don't think they won't start polluting like crazy if they can.
  All regulations means ALL regulations; even the ones most people would think are so common sense they don't expect them to go away. They will. If it makes more money, they'll get rid of any and all regulations.
  
  Yeah I stopped at three when I realised I could be there all day when it comes to regulations that private companies need to adhere to. But I would agree those should have been on my abridged list too.
  
  Number 3 is interesting for me.. The finance sector is pretty aware of the need to control stupid risk taking, and the don't want another GFC, so I guess they'd (broadly) want to keep some of the regulation around that. What else is there? General bad acting and things like excessive fees? That also seems to be a risk driver, in the long term, as it leads to e.g. increased loan defaults... Where do you think the key problems would be?
  Edit: whoops, this was supposed to be in reply to @r00ty@kbin.life

So US citizens should be able to import Chinese Teslas clones for half the price, right ?
- No. He's saying THEY get to ignore all regulations. Not you.
- Does this mean I csn buy a Hilux?
  
  Can you not buy a Hilux in the US as it stands?

All this bullshit from someone that never even took a US civics class. And likely has little to no idea of US history.
- He learned enough. Accrue enough money, and you can do whatever the fuck you want.
  
  Shhh the poores may figure it out!

Crashing two planes in his first week wasn't enough, huh?
- He’s starting with planes, but next he’ll be crashing rockets in your backyard and charge you for the cleanup.
  
  Musk does not clean up environmental messes. He just makes them.
- But that was the fault of the DEI - the secret shadow government responsible for all things you don't like.

It's all going according to plan...we are so fucked
https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no
- “Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard. It seems to me most strange that men should fear; Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come.”
  Julius Caesar, ACT II Scene II by William Shakespeare

Between this and Ulbrict’s pardon, it seems the libertarians may be happy with their choice.

You gotta break a few eggs to have your butler make you a ribeye steak.
- Breaking eggs is messy. I'll just have my egg-breaking guy do that.
  
  Look at mr. billionaire over here able to afford eggs
  
  Is he the same guy as your gaming candle lighting guy?
- Eggs? In this economy?
  
  I mean, it's one egg Michael. How much could it cost? $10?
  
  Weren't you born to incredibly rich parents like the rest of us???

He thinks we're probably living in a simulation so logically killing people wouldn't be morally wrong to him.

This seems somewhat relevant
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling

They had more regulations in the middle ages.
- It all started with the original 10.

Someone with the means and knowledge should start broadcasting Rickrolls across FAA and maritime frequencies.

Never mind that it is a horrible idea:
They ~~think~~ know they can just “get rid of” regulations.

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