Home ownership rates by country

the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
- I love this video because it really concisely breaks down what needs to be done, in a common-sense way. Countries thinking they can solve their problems while skipping the most important step the PRC and other socialist countries took - eliminating the parasitic landlord class and nationalizing industry and finance, are deluded.
  Paul Cockshott - Obstacles to the China path in Latin America.
- Land that they don't actually own, right? The government owns it and leases it?
  
  The government represents the people of China, and land is owned collectively. That's what communism is, collective ownership.
  
  Do you think socialists are out to collectivize your toothbrush?
  No, the siezing of factories and large estates is not equivalent to siezing your sewing needles or your backyard garden. They seize these means of production because their previous ownership was about denying people access to the means of production, not because they don't think individuals should have their own means of production.

eh close enough

Why is the flag of Chile used for China?
- They goofed.
- "It's CH, right?"

this misses an important point i think.
in germany people live for a very long time in the same rented apartment. 20-30 years is common, as i understand it. homeownership is not seen as a "goal". i think adding an axis for tenancy length would be useful.
- In Spain at least, a lot of ppl live in what looks like highrise apartment buildings, but many are actually condos owned out right. I'm surprised that's not more of the case in France and Germany, just letting landlords gobble up real estate like the US.
  
  What is the difference between a condo and a highrise ?
- Literally nobody I know is happy renting. They've all just accepted they can't afford buying.
  
  In Germany a lot of people can afford a mortgage, but they choose not to buy. It's in part culture and fear of commitment, in part a need for high mobility within the country.
- It is a goal as far as I can tell from my social environment. It's just financially unachievable for most of them and me. Heck, my brother-in-law works at VW in a rather high up position and still says it's not realistic to them. At least not without moving to a different state.
- There is a subsection of the population mostly made up of pensioniers that occupy flats with ~30-70 year old renting contracts that mean through a web of interdependent laws they pay reasonable accomodation for their dwellings, close to, sometimes under, maybe slightly over upkeep.
  That is entirely a privilege of having moved into a state or workers coop-built appartement in the 60s or 70s at the latest though and is entirely irreproducable to anyone born after that fact. Homeownership in germany is not seen as a goal on account of people having given up on a pipedream they'll never reach anyways for the most part. It's basically not possible for large swathes of the population born in the 1980s and onwards.
  Incidentally, germany is a hotbed of money laundering and storing for organized crime in the EU because the laws around buying and selling houses are set up in a way that makes it incredibly easy to basically nullify any search and discovery or building enforcement on them because as it stands it pits, if I transliterate to an americanized audience, Cletus the slack jawed Yokel from Nowhere, PA against Shadow Housing Dealings S.A.R.L. (registered to a cyprese postbox that currently resides at the deep end of the mariana trench). Nothing will ever be done about this because the same laws also benefits people like former health minister / organized crime head Jens Spahn when he is gifted a multimillion flat that not even convicted journalists can get info on
  
  That is entirely a privilege of having moved into a state or workers coop-built appartement in the 60s or 70s at the latest though and is entirely irreproducable to anyone born after that fact.
  It is very possible to create more coop and state housing
- Might also have something to do with tenants having so many rights that they just don't have many of the disadvantages they'd have in other countries.
  
  Here in sweden at least, even a second hand renting contract is not that much worse than owning your home. And if you have a first hand contract with a municipal landlord i would argue it's the best form of housing you can have, in large part because you just don't have to do anything other than pay the oftentimes quite low rent. No need to perform maintenance and stuff.

Oh Garretts, that’s Chile’s 🇨🇱 flag, not China’s 🇨🇳.

Actually extremely surprised it's 66% in the US that sounds unreal. I know very few homeowners
- Same, looking at my peers, none of them own the home, maybe 1/5 has a mortgage, and the rest either rent or live with parents.
- Was about to say, 66 sounds unreal but then again would explain how insane the politics are
- because a lot of them are owned by boomers, unless the age distribution of people you know are equal, the home owner percentage will not reflect the same.
  Also it makes sense that a country with majority homeowners will oppose to any policies that can fix housing problems.
- wildly skewed towards old people

Viva la República Popular China!!!! 🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱

Wonder what their criteria for adding a country was.
If it was just all the highest, Norway should be on there with 76.3%
https://www.ssb.no/bygg-bolig-og-eiendom/bolig-og-boforhold/statistikk/boforhold-registerbasert

In Spain, the rate has decreased 4 points in 10 years:

Blue line: 30-44 years old. Green line: total.
Source: https://www.ine.es/jaxiT3/Datos.htm

86.6% looks too high for India.
- Yeah, it's probably misreporting and probably also, "well they have a tiny hut for all members of the family in this god forsaken village while being stuck in eternal poverty, but that's enough to call it a house"
- India is often dishonest with their data. Many politicians will lie to save face. But even if the numbers are "real", it's worth asking yourself what they are considering a home. Plenty of people live in scrap houses on land they don't own, are they "homeowners" in this data. India has squatters rights, if they can't be removed from someone else's property they've lived in for decades are they "homeowners" in this data? If someone's has a live in servant who has a separated house on their property, are they "homeowners"? My guess is that india is defining homeowners very loosely.
- It'd be worth looking into their source there.
- I think with "awas" yojnas more homeowners are there

I didn't know China was using the same flag as Chile

China is in south America?

I found this list of home ownership rate in the EU and EU-associated countries. If you order the list from most to least home ownership, the top 13 countries for home ownership are all former AES states. Even from beyond the grave, a socialist economy is improving life for the peoples of the post-collapse statelets.
- Its also really surprising to me that western europe, especially germany, being a front line of the cold war, doesn't have higher home-ownership rates. These are very rich imperial-core countries, which had huge infusions of resources from the US to raise standards of living after WW2 and provide a more appealing "alternative to communism". Yet home-ownership is still pretty low in a lot of these welfare states.
  
  Very rich global powers = exploited working class. Simple as that. German houses are very expensive to buy and most regular Germans have to save a lifetime to buy.

Is it fair to call a 70 year lease from the government “ownership”?
- Nobody "owns" land. Even under capitalism. If you think you do, stop paying the ~~rent~~ tax you pay the government in order to "own" that land and see what happens.
  Point is, even if you "own" a house, if the government decides they want to confiscate it, they have a whole army to do it. All ownership is always at the mercy of the government. (More accurately, ownership is at the mercy of whoever has the monopoly on violence, since they can only take ownership through it.)
  
  Just curious - what happens after that 70 years is up? I get to keep my property in perpetuity and pass it down generations as long as I pay my taxes. Is there any such guarantee in China?
  
  "...if the government decides they want to confiscate it, they have a whole army to do it."
  This feels pretty random to include. Did I miss something? Has the army been kicking people out of homes lately?
- Other than the set duration, all ownership is at the government's pleasure everywhere. Luckily, in a lot of places governments serve at the pleasure of voters.
- Yeah China should definitely not be on this list.
  Looking forward to the bot account's mental gymnastics to tell me why I'm wrong
  
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  Right? I call BS that 90% of China's 1.4+ billion people own their homes.

Japan weirdly high on that list, though Japanese real estate is within reach even for me

Not a very useful measure if a country has cheap and reliable publicly owned rental apartments. I would prefer rental because it's easier to leave.