Windows 11 without a Microsoft-Account = terminal required. Linux Mint = terminal not required.
Someone add Haiku to this and make it a sliver. Hilariously easy to install and so fast (yes I know it's not an everyday OS but super cool and noteworthy)
Isn't debloated windows just a regular windows install after running https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater ? Is there more to it?
There is no way Gentoo is that low.
I've never "debloated" Windows so idk about the top half.
The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it's just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.
I assume Microsoft doesn't care much about the installer since it's generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it's a first impression so it has to be polished.
Biased as fuck lol. Installing windows is not difficult. I did it first time at the age of 8 witn WIndows 98 and their newer installers are made so the general public can do it. And the bloat and spyware? Thats windows dude. Its not meant to be your OS, its meant to spy on your ass at the benefit of being familiar and (relative) easy to use. Anything you do to it post clean install is your own tinkering. Linux distros are great yall, but install difficulty is not a metric I would use to attack windows. Comparing between distros makes sense.
What an absurdly sycophantic graph.
Installing gentooInstalling regular Windows 10/11 is definitely more than twice as painful than installing Debian 12.
Once, I was trying to install Windows 10 and wasted an entire day! The installation would systematically fail at the beginning of the installation with a BS error message that doesn't give any hint about what's going wrong. In the end it just didn't like USB3 as an installation media! I reflashed it to a USB2 and it worked, but OMG was it super slow ! It took literally hours to install !!!
Debian, even as a noobie, you'll go from flashing your ISO to a booted system within an hour. If you've done it once before, you will get it done in 20 minutes.
brother, 99% of users will never even consider installing their own os. the issue isn't that Linux is hard to install, the issue is that pretty much anyone brave enough to even mess with their operating system is either already on Linux, a boomer, or trapped by professional software that isn't available on Linux (that's me, a videographer)
the only way Linux is breaking out of extreme obscurity is if it starts coming pre-installed on commercially available and desirable hardware. the steam deck did more for Linux in a single product launch than the entire decade of combined efforts before that. before the deck i would have said it was simply never going to happen, but who knows. maybe it'll be up to eccentric billionaires that never went public with their companies to push the Linux future we all want.
If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don't need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal to access the full potential of your hardware without any overhead from virtualization or emulation.
Okay I’m a big supporter of Linux but this is misinformation.
Windows 11 LTSC install was the easiest install I’ve ever done, even easier than mint (or as easy).
The image I used even asked me the username when I was creating the bootable usb so I would save some time.
It also let me opt out of data collection and the rest of the bloatware.
Came with office and it was pre activated.
Now, if only that’s what Microsoft offered their mainstream consumer…
Edit: I don’t understand the downvotes. My last sentence does point out that Microsoft doesnt intentionally make it easier but imo we shouldn’t circle jerk by just claiming things that can easily be false.
difficulity
The difficulity of spelling difficulity is very difficulit.
Kubuntu is also super easy.
I call bullshit. It only took me 3 hours to compile and install gentoo on my latest build and get proper desktop environment working. Granted I'm still tweaking the config files 4 years later, but it's perfect!
post windows 7/early 10 versions, I would place it harder than arch. I had to go through a bunch of shit to get my mobo mount nvme drives to show up, then came the cursed hell of just clicking through all the setup questions where they make it sound like you have a choice, but you don't unless you do the custom install image bullshit aka the harder windows install on the chart.
Funny meme but let's be serious:
The steps to install Arch.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
The steps to install de bloated Windows:
Download Tiny Windows.
Use Rufus to make a boot USB. Click ok.Mint is where it's at.
Hobbyist here, in my opinion reading the manual or the wiki is easy, understanding it quickly is not. You can obvioulsy follow the instructions blindly and still succeed.
For the most part is very comprehensive but sometimes you are left alone to connect the dots which is very daunting when instructions get technical and you do not understand them.
In the end it felt like one of those half semester courses Universities try to cram in.
- oobe bypass.
- A post install script.
Alternatively, Tiny10
Hey! You missed nixos!
First time install for smb. Double the windows Bar.
Second time (if you backed up your config file)
No bar!
Why is Debian more difficult than Fedora? I could understand older versions, but these days they fixed pretty much all the small annoyances. No need to use the "nonfree" iso, because that's integrated into the installer. And post install sudo works as expected out of the box. I'd say they should be equal.
This is 100% true, but the chart inverts when you have a problem you're trying to fix.
I‘d place archinstall lower than mint 🤭
So by linux, you mean not every open OS? Can we add freebsd? Not the easiest but lots of users willing to help on a forum post.
Is there any guide to install this Debloated Windows? 🤔
So far what I used is to use debloater script and also to disable that windows update service related stuff. Just wondering whether there is more unhinged part in it.
Also no custom rom android image? because technically it use older and customized linux kernel.
The debate has never been so intense! It might not be the Year of the Linux Desktop, but that's certainly a great one
I installed windows 11. It was a shit show. So many updates with a 6gb iso. Took forever.
Windows 10 is easy to install... If everything goes well. And 2 out of 3 times in my experience, it doesn't.
op never heard of preinstalls
LTSC is pretty easy to install. But it's still Windows.
I suppose its all relative, but I didn't find debloated windows to be much worse than anything else. I used microwin though, is that a different experience?
All these threads make me want to take the leap to Linux. My work laptop runs on Mint, but as for my home pc.. guess I'll still have to wait for more Proton development/compatibility. Last time I checked, part of the games I want to play soon (Remnant 2, Supervive, Legion TD 2, Morimens, Sengoku Dynasty, Ravenswatch and a few others) seem to require a little more experimentation than I'd like.
Don't get me wrong, as a modder of obscure Chinese games and at work, I'm all for experimenting. But for the 1h per day I can play, I'll wait until I'm quite sure I won't spend it tinkering around to get my current games to work.
But I sure hope it will be sooner than later!
Windows is a pain in the ass to set up
- the guy with a tiling window manager
Isn't mint a downstream product of Ubuntu? I haven't paid attention to them since they were distributing images from a compromised WordPress site years ago 😂
Maybe I've been DDing Ubuntu for so long that I just couldn't be bothered to try another distro based on it. I want to try a rolling release distro, but I'm too old to distro hop. All I care about is a functional system anymore.
Lol it's not that hard. It's just a matter of what you are used to.
i seriously do not understand what's up with some of you, why do you spell stuff like in "m$". The extra work to type it like this doesn't matter at all. It makes no difference, Microsoft will not shut down because you spelled their name as "micro$oft" on your lemmy post or something like that. why do you keep doing this, i don't understand.
Yes, please stay away from Windows if you have such difficulties installing it.
Maybe, but Linux will fuck up that boot partition within a year and any non-techie will be screwed.
