Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency, use military for mass deportations
Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency, use military for mass deportations
Greetings from Germany. Maybe you want to skip everything that happens from now on and end this before this lunatic takes office.
On a unrelated topic: aren't you the nation with the most guns?
aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
Yes, and ownership is predominantly with those who want to kill/ deport immigrants. In the US, there are ~120.5 guns per 100 people. However, this statistic is misleading, because you might expect most people to have 1 gun, and a few people to have more than one to get to that statistic. However, most households do not have a fire arm.
So the average gun-owner, actually owns from 4-8 guns, while the majority of Americans own 0 guns. We have a culture of gun-obsessed rightwing psychopaths.
The majority of voters who cast a valid ballot voted for him, what do you even do with those people? You get rid of their leader, another take their place. The military took an oath to the constitution, that included recognizing the results of elections, regardless of if they are a fascist. The US isn't a Defensive Democracy like modern day Germany, we aren't getting rid of them until the next election, that is, if there ever is a next election.
Trump has cult of personality, it will implode without him. Vance is an empty suit, RFK is nuts and sounds horrible, Musk is Saxon African Chris chan. My point is once Trump is dead most of his movement will most likely go static.
The majority of the gun owners are also right wing Trumpers.
The dumb part is they're also targeting the people who they trained to be killers
Speaking as a Canadian, I'm confused. If you boot out all the undocumented, where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs? And many of those are in red states. What does that leave? The convict workforce? I guess that is huge in the US.
We have migrant workers here too. They come on temporary visas, so they are technically documented. But the whole sector is rife with discrimination and human rights violations regardless.
He'll be focusing on undocumented folks in blue states, first, for sure. But economists are already predicting skyrocketing grocery prices as labor scarcity is forcibly introduced by these deportations, either way.
My guess, he focuses purely on "shock and awe" by targeting blue cities with workplace raids rather than just going to literally every farm in the south.
Yup.
Getting rid of a ton of cheap labor is not good for an economy.
Red states will suffer more.
They'll ask for more federal funds to support them than they already do.
Their daddy in the big seat will give it to them.
Just more of our money going to a bunch of ignorant/racist fools who can't learn to vote more intelligently.
A migrant worker is not undocumented. Many are here in a legitimate work visa and it’s heavily used in farming.
Undocumented aliens comprise several subgroups and I suppose you can say “I really meant ….”.
For example the most common illegal is a formerly legal visiting student or worker who overstays their visa. And as you said, this is an area subject to human rights violation and discrimination: an employer can treat someone as poorly as they want, when someone is subject to deportation if they lose their job
Step 1: be rich
Step 2: bribe the government to do your bidding
Step 3: decimate the workforce of your competitors
Step 4: profit, buy out competition, become "too big to fail"
They will use the newly incarcerated immigrants as slave labor as apportioned by the 13th amendment.
where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs?
Replaced by forced labor.
Oh that’s where the queers and the democrats come in. Specifically we will be coming in chains
Likely a food shortage, if not an actual famine. It's fucking stupid.
That'll go nicely with the voluntary pandemics.
Did you expect anything different?
Don’t worry, I’m sure he has a concept of a plan for that…or he didn’t bother thinking about it yet because he’s so stupid he can’t think more than a single step ahead for anything.
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes. The only thing I hope for at this point is strong Europe.
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes.
No one thinks major downward shifts will happen in their lifetime...until they do. Our great shame is that we voted for it.
Writing's on the wall. We're squarely on the path of decline.
Only thing to debate now is the timeline.
Reposting my comment again.
Like the German version of Nazis before them, they aren't coming for their biggest target first. They're coming for their political opposition, the "abortionists", the atheists, the drug users, the mentally ill...
RFK Jr.:
"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,"
Re-education camps, huh.
If the alternative is prison, these "wellness farms" may actually be better.
The problem is that i don't trust the source
It seriously sounds like one of those bullshit dystopian things. "Oh he's getting better on the wellness farm." Meanwhile dude is in a fucking gulag.
Trump has said he is bringing back mental institutions. They don't exist yet, so, concentration camps until then.
I'm not going to a camp or prison for my managed mental illness, so I guess they'll have to kill me and kidnap my children.
Dude just watched A Scanner Darkly and stole the idea.
If you can get out of this country, get out.
Yup.
Obviously that's not an option for the vast majority. But if you have the means, then there are absolutely 1st world countries where you can live a longer, healthier, less stressful life where you are afforded more rights.
This ship is sinking. Maybe slowly, but definitely sinking.
History repeats itself (because humans are stupid).
Pick up a history book to find out where it goes from here.
The Gestapo is coming.
Surely nobody would ever march their army on Rome.
Oh hey look, there's the ultraconservative Sulla, why does he have his entire army with him?
among those will likely be people whose relatives voted for Trump because of reasons
Canuck here.
Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act prohibit the use of military (other than National Guard and Coast Guard) for this purpose?
I see they can be used but only if the Insurrection Act is invoked (might be other ways but that's the one that came up most frequently in my searches).
Laws don't matter any more.
Scary times ahead. That's for sure.
It does.
But when none of the checks actually step in to stop it, then what difference does it make?
Presidents are now immune from prosecution for basically anything they do in an official capacity thanks to the corrupted Supreme Court. So who's going to stop him? Even if Congress makes a new, specific law against it with dire consequences, he's putting loyalists in law enforcement and the courts can't enforce the law when the highest one will overturn any ruling because of that interpretation.
Presidents are now immune from prosecution for basically anything they do in an official capacity thanks to the corrupted Supreme Court. So who's going to stop him?
Yeah that's the scary and totally MESSED UP thing. I really hope there are some good folks in the US armed forces that will resist and go by the book. But I'm not holding my breath.
All we can do at this point is wait and see what happens.
And all of the military stationed at the border will be turned around to keep people in once Trump moves on from immigrants to trans people, or some other group who will be forced to flee the country to avoid being put in the concentration camps that will be empty and need people to keep the prison companies' profits up.
This is just a reminder/informative comment noting multiple USSC rulings since the 1970s have allowed CBP to violate the First and Fourth Amendments with impunity, as long as they are within 100 miles of an international border. Critically, ports of entry, such as international airports, are legally considered international borders. This means that virtually the entire US population is within 100 miles of a "border".
My hope is that once all the farm/meat packing workers get deported, we realize that we don't have any food left. After a few months of being vegetarian, the red-meat eating conservatives will back-track and finally open up a legal path for all those workers to be here.
They aren’t going to be deported, that’s a logistical nightmare. They will be put into privately own facilities where they will be forced to work.
Meat won't be the only impacted ag industry. A lot of fruits and vegetables still require hand picking and packing. The only product that is largely automated from start to finish is grain. Maybe potatoes, too.
The rich and powerful will still be buying meat at the insane rates, and their opinions are the only ones the other rich and powerful care about
Its one bigmac, what could it cost, $10?
Y'all ever see one of those fuckers admit they were wrong?
One key problem with using military, in national emergency martial law power, is "put anyone brown looking onto a bus". Don't you carry your citizenship papers on you at all times?
If I was brown during the trump presidency I’d carry my passport everywhere for that reason
OK, but you'd still be brown.
Girl... you know all my possés are commitatus.
The problem I haven't seen anyone address is where you deport them to. In Korea, people would enter and then throw away their passport, and refuse to say which country they came from. Even if you did DNA testing, you wouldn't be able to tell with 100% confidence. If mass deportations start, I highly suspect this will become a major issue.
If Republicans truly saw companies hiring illegal immigrants as an issue, they'd be able to easily crack down on business owners doing the hiring and make the punishment more than just a slap on the wrist.
No, the cruelty towards other humans is the point. They don't care about the non-existent issue.
The slippery slope here is that deciding who is "illegal" may vary wildly depending on who Trump empowers (legit or just some Nazis that want "safe streets") to decide this. He has had people saying just undocumented, but also people saying anyone that isn't a full citizen (so anyone here with a Visa/Green Card/work papers/migrant workers/refugees/etc.).
You also know that when the Nazis/KKK folks get to work they are just going to be grabbing people that "look illegal" or that run from them/their mob (because they look dangerous!).
This is also going to have a HUGE impact on food prices when farmers have nobody to pick crops.
It is a civil offense to be in the US without permission (I.e no visa), so the Trump admin would likely have to change the law to deport these people.
It is a criminal offense to enter the US without permission. These people could be deported.
Trump has been busted for hiring illegals and faced no real consequences