Bernie Sanders: Vote Harris because Gaza is ‘not the only issue’

I was a Bernie-or-Bust-er in 2016 because I was confident Hilary was going to win with or without my vote. I deeply regret taking that stance and feel like I let down every woman who's lost rights to their bodily autonomy, every family who was separated at the border, everybody whose life was lost or ruined due to the Trump administration's incompetent response to the COVID-19 outbreak, and everybody else who has been harmed by the Trump administration.

Don't be like me. It sucks having to vote for the lesser of two evils but that's how our system works and not voting or voting third-party isn't going to change that but it does run the risk of things getting a lot worse.

Unfortunately Gaza is a non issue. The situation would only be handled worse under the other candidate. Along with just about every other conceivable thing.

Not voting for a candidate is not the only, nor the most effective way to push a party to change positions on an issue you care about.

Protest voting doesn't work when the candidate you are protesting is the least worst option. Democrats that will not vote out of principle have been conned as badly as MAGA republicans. End of story.

If you want to engage those bad faith accounts, don't respond to the Gaza thing; that's a trap. Instead, ask about other issues like climate issues, housing issues, food insecurity problems, etc. ask them what their third party candidate has planned for that and ask for evidence of these plans. They'll move goalposts and attempt to get back on Gaza. Keep them coming back to those other issues that affect Americans daily. Many of those accounts are here to derail conversation. Derail them in turn and force the conversation back on track.

Or do what I do and downvote then block, then post the occasional reminder that most of those accounts are bad faith at best.

Once you are under dictatorship, you can't vote to hold anyone accountable. Vote for Trump and you won't have a say in what happens to Gaza. Or anything else.

“Gaza is not the only issue” should not be the takeaway here:

“Even on this issue [Gaza], Donald Trump and his right-wing friends are worse,” Sanders said in the six-minute video, which he posted to X. He noted that Republicans have fought to block humanitarian aid to Gaza and that Trump — who has praised Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — has suggested Gaza would be a great site for beachfront development.

Here come the tankies to call Bernie Sanders BlueMAGA in 3...2...

I'm not sure why people haven't been saying this more.

Hey look, someone finally posted an article about this so the mods don't remove it!

Gaza is not the only issue? Tell that to the main stream media.

Current Politics can be summarized into 3 things.

• Israel
• The Opponent
• The Election

Anything else doesn't exist in their eyes. My grandfather had his Fubo running last night, I kid you not 10 minutes of ads, and every single one of them was based off one of those 3 categories. I asked him why he's paying 95$ a month to watch smear campaigns and the same 3 topics over and over.

I'd really like to see someone who has the power to actually do something stand up to Israel and knock them down a peg or 2.

The information that I've seen about Israel's attack on Iran over the weekend has some outrageous levels of discrepancy. Israel claims it crippled all of Iran's air defenses and its ability to produce drones and missiles. Iran claims it intercepted the attack with limited damage (and a few confirmed fatalities). The truth is almost certainly between these 2 points with tons of propaganda and straight-up misinformation, but despite the "Iran Dome" bravado I'm not convinced that Iran's defense was particularly successful.

I am no fan of Iran by any stretch and would prefer a more benign entity to step in and do something, but seeing them keep Israel in check would have been a welcome change. I guess my mindset is that you never really want one group to have too much power over others because being able to act with impunity opens the door for the worst types of behavior.

Holy hell, you liberals really have gone completely off the rocker in your corner of Lemmy, huh? I mean, Jesus Christ the shit I am reading in these comments is completely insane.

“Everyone I disagree with is a foreign agent”, say the people whose same views Israel are literally running bot farms about.

“Trump would be worse”, say the people who have admitted that the genocide of Palestine is an acceptable means to an end, as if queer folks are supposed to believe you won’t be their next tool of convenience to be discarded.

“Look at all these policy differences”, say the party who brag about being half Republicans and use their policies.

Y’all are going to lose, and it’s not going to be because of the 100 US leftists on Lemmy.

I’m sure you’ll blame us anyway though, because liberals have objectively abandoned reality.

Look at yourselves. You’ve become MAGA, and don’t even try to deny it. This is the shit you made fun of Republicans for doing for 4 years of Trump. I thought Democracy was about winning votes, not demanding them under threats of violence? Or is this another one of PugJesus’ cronies?

hoohoooo, all the single-issue "progressives" and Bernie bros who have been screaming at me for saying the same thing have to scream at Bernie now.

that'll be funny.

Stop pretending Harris also doesn't have absolutely horrible immigration, environmental and police policies as well.

Yea for real the amount of myopic one issue voices must be that of the privileged or Russian propaganda because WE ALL KNOW that hardworking normal Americans struggle with more than one issue that is 5000 miles away.

Gunna vote twice, once for each candidate, so I double my chances of ensuring genocide. It's what america was founded on, it's what our forefathers would have wanted.

Just say you do not care Bernie. We all know it. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/bernie-sanderss-failure-to-back-gaza-ceasefire-disappoints-us-supporters

Unless you have friends and family there. People here act like it's irrational or hateful to want byut to vote for Harris, and I get it, Trump is worse, but at the same time, this is literally the only way some of these voters have to influence the candidate and her platform. I have stepped away from this conversation because I have changed my mind and think you should vote against trump, but also because it's full of trolls and it's impossible to have a reasonable debate.

Someone running for office should not be entitled to a vote simply because the opposition is bad. Even if they're as bad as Trump. I wish more people demanded better from their leaders, it would stop this ridiculous slide to the right the entire American political system has been going though for decades.

Is this going to be American politics for the rest of time: continually voting for least worst of two options which will cause observable harm?

If yes, it would be nice if that changes at some point, thanks.

the antisemites have to be clearly and succinctly told this, you see

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