7mo ago

Advisers Propose That Trump Give Security Clearances Without F.B.I. Vetting

www.nytimes.com /2024/10/27/us/politics/trump-security-clearances-fbi.html

A memo circulating in Donald Trump’s orbit says that if elected he should use private firms to check appointees’ backgrounds and give them immediate access to classified secrets after taking office.

This is exactly what you'd do if your circle was filled with Russian agents.

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7mo ago

Advisers Propose That Trump Give Security Clearances Without F.B.I. Vetting

www.nytimes.com /2024/10/27/us/politics/trump-security-clearances-fbi.html

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Remember folks, SCOTUS has already ruled that WHATEVER THE FUCK HE DOES IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL.
There is no court, not law, no constitution, no one and nothing to protect us. This will be the last election if he wins.
- It's not hyperbole, Trump literally said that he will end democracy.
  "Get out and vote! Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore! Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed, it'll be fine, you won't have to vote anymore."
  
  Take that quote and add the one about sending the military after people who are a problem to them, that's absolutely the end of anything resembling our country.
- This one probably would have been accepted, anyway. Security clearances and classification derive from the power of the Executive in the first place. If the President wants to unilaterally hand security clearances to anyone, there was never anything to stop that besides the fact that it's a horrible idea.
  Far too much power is invested in the Executive, and that was already a problem decades before Trump was around.

this is just fucking terrifying
- The issue is no one believes it. Inertia makes the world go round. Inertia isn’t just physics, it’s psychology.
  They’re so inured in “you can’t do that here” that they’ll believe it right up to when he does it.
  Then cognitive dissonance takes the helm.
  The fuel from being skeeved out by trans people and a black President got that momentum. Now, everyone’s miserable not being able to afford life, so that will continue that push.
  I think he’s winning. I don’t live in the echo chamber. I think he’s horrible. But I think he’s winning.
  
  It is really scary how close the race is and how far he is in the lead with a lot of polls.
  People out here talking about sitting this one out or throwing a protest vote out for a third party. I'm just shaking my head.

didn't he already do this before for his son-in-law (jared kushner)... after the feds rejected him?
yea, the same jared kushner that scored $2 billion from the saudis as an 'investment'.

Fuck. This. Fucker.

Gee, why would that be necessary? I'm sure no one he would tap would have recently been involved in any insurrections or under the employ of a foreign government.

he gave them to people that the fbi said shouldn't have them. scotus said he could do anything officially he wants. so why would he bother with a screening process? he's going to give them to whoever he wants to anyway.
- Which is one of many reasons it's important to not elect him.
- Because by having a private company "screen" people there's added corruption.
  He gets to simply sell clearances to private companies.
- I assume the POTUS, who is the source of all classification, could have always just given clearance to whomever they wanted. I doubt the scotus ruling has anything to do with this.

This is yet another example of our system fundamentally being incapable of dealing with someone like Trump willing to deviate from all established norms.
Legally, POTUS is the classifying authority. They can give clearance to whomever they want.
That's worked mostly fine since the classification system was established in the early 1950s because the assumption has always been that POTUS isn't wildly compromised and completely surrounded by compromised individuals.
Oops.

He’s such a moron that you could just give him a piece of construction paper that says, “FBI, CIA, Delta Force Security Clearance” written in orange crayon and he would be satisfied.

Republicans in 2003: we must do everything in our power to make Americans safe. If we have to give up essential liberties and invade other countries because they might have WMDs, so be it.
Republicans in 2024: it's fine to hand out security clearances after a Heritage Foundation signoff.

And now, thanks to the supreme court, he, and any other fucked up president, can.
- He did that last time… despite FBI vetting.

- Blasphemy, using Mr. Rodgers like that!

he gave them to people that the fbi said shouldn't have them. scotus said he could do anything officially he wants. so why would he bother with a screening process? he's going to give them to whoever he wants to anyway.

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