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Mastering? It's an OS not a skill.

Are really looking down on people because you open the terminal often instead of being able to click something?

I use Mac and also open terminal often. Then again, I’m a software engineer and I have work to do, that doesn’t include trying to troubleshoot problems with my OS.
- I'm in the same position. My Linux machine is for gaming and .... Interesting tasks that could be hazardous to set up on my Mac.
  
  The hardware quality is sublime as well. However, dailing Linux for a bit and going back to MacOS made me appreciate it more. Homebrew is a hair slow tho 😂
- I used to use ~~MacOS~~ OS X in the mid-2000s, and the reason why I liked it was precisely because it was the best UNIX.
  
  It's a shame Apple moved away from things like bash, Applescript, Automator, Xserve, machines with toolless chassis and good upgradability, etc.
Mastering? It's an OS not a skill.

Linux skills are often a requirement of sysadmin jobs.
- Linux skills
  
  Windows skills
  
  OSX Skills
  
  Can all often be requirements of a job.
  
  I just want to throw it out there that you can use any of these products and learn a terminal. Often times Mac does better with photo editing and programming in terms of handling the load balance.
  
  Knowing one or the other doesn't make you any better than the rest.
It's this community, so yes.
The technology labor market disagrees. Careers are built on mastering the Linux OS.
- Wow, really? So, basically, since 1999 or so, I could have had a built up career because I mastered the Linux OS. I have built up a career in something else totally unrelated. Do you think I'd be richer and famouser, too? Maybe I should have just thrown myself at the technology labor market and taken control of it, like I do with the terminal app. snort reapplies tape to broken glasses snort snort readjusts pocket protector prefers platform games with a penguin over a guy with a moustache snort snort
- In software, it seems incredibly common for companies to give developers MacBooks and then have their software deployed on a linux VM in AWS.
  
  It's just one of the lower friction corporate options for software companies. The last time I used an institutionally managed linux computer was college.
  
  There's definitely tech jobs where you need to know linux. But there's also a ton of jobs where you don't have to know much of anything about it beyond common unix stuff, and where OS X specific knowledge is more useful.
Are really looking down on people because you open the terminal often instead of being able to click something?

Uh...No. Of course not. That would be silly.

It's all in good fun...I hope.
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Linux people on suicide watch when they see someone using plan9
- Eric S. Raymond carved Plan 9's headstone 20 years ago:
  
  The long view of history may tell a different story, but in 2003 it looks like Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor. Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough.
  
  Raymond predicted subsumation as legacy:
  
  It may well be that over time, much more of Plan 9 will work its way into Unix as various portions of Unix's architecture slide into senescence. This is one possible line of development for Unix's future.
  
  I wouldn't call these a ringing endorsement of envy.
- Not many people have actually met that plan9 using guy.
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- MacOS uses Bash/ZSH...
  If you write the scripts in a POSIX way, you can serve both MacOS & Linux with the same script.
- that's why i like linux but if we ever want the year of the linux desktop it needs distros to be more gui orientaded normal users get overwhelmed if they even see a terminal window for a second
- OS X is literally a heavily modified version of FreeBSD with a very shiny GUI.
  
  It ships with a terminal that has zsh installed by default, and homebrew is a decent package manager. You can write scripts for it in precisely the same way you do for Linux.
  
  It being closed source means you can't edit the OS itself. And there's certainly a bunch of weird stuff that it does. But mastering linux and mastering OS X are pretty similar things.
Plus MacOS is FreeBSD based, it’s no less powerful/complex than Linux.
- You have fundamentally misunderstood the power of Linux. Just because macos took the Mach kernel and modified it does not mean it is a powerful way to run your computer.
  
  The power of Linux is that it is open source. You own and control the system. With Macos you are just licensing someone else tech, they control the system you are playing in another persons sandbox, I.e. you have zero power.
- You're fundamentally right, but "no less powerful" is a pretty big stretch, consideration that the majority of the Internet runs on Linux servers, not Mac servers.
  
  But your point about FreeBSD is right. It's more work, but most software built for Linux will at least run on Mac if you know your compiler flags well enough.
  
  But if someone tries to spin up web services on a Mac, they're going to have a bad time. So I wouldn't quote say "no less powerful".
  
  Edit: but I agree with your core point that the meme is silly and way off base.
- Zero customisability and plenty of poor defaults.
  
  My 4k€ company MBP 16" is sitting in my drawer while I use my personal XPS running opensuse. Feel right at home and much more productive than before.
Mac is annoying. I think the real skill here is just being able to use a terminal. I remember when i worked at EA we had a gazillion Mac mini's to build ios apps. Due to the way apple likes to handle their certs, you had to update them often. The majority of my coworkers would use a KVM appliance to do so, but it was like 4 commands.

Terminal for the win. I think we eventually just automated it in the build system. Also Jenkins can fuck off.
even thou i don't really like it but macos is more refined so that it can be used more easily. most linux distros are not really eass to use you have to invest time into it and most people don't want to do that. we as a linux community should be aware of that problem. yes it's a problem not a feature

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Love that Star Trek memes are spreading to other communities.

But is it really a different community? Sure, the name is different, but it's probably the same people.
- Literally all the meme comms are just linuxmemes.

Locked away in a box for years and suicidal?

Considering they often have the same shell, this is pretty funny

I copied my .zshrc from my Linux laptop to my work Mac, and yep, it all feels the same. A few minor differences (ls on Linux will allow arguments after the files, on Mac it won't) and a few things to learn (I never really used open on Linux, but it's essential on Mac), and the clipboard interface is different (xclip vs. pbcopy --- but that doesn't really count, since it's a GUI thing).
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- The only weird difference I've run into has been the stat command behaving differently with dif args

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So then Windows is one of the random genocidal Soong cousins?

Windows is Jar Jar who somehow found his way here.
Windows is B4 🤡

I've had to use a M2 pro for a month now. I expected dumb design choices. I did not expect the amount of bugs and incorrect implementations. MacOS feels like such a shitty operating system. Hardware is decent though.

I'm still on 12.x, works just fine for me. Got a nice M1 for work and a Dell running Ubuntu for home.
This. In the days of 10.7 it was surprising how well everything worked together, now its a buggy mess. But everything is in the cloud bro.

Apple Music is a great example, its still old iTunes but so much shit has been stuck to it over the years it sometimes fails to play music, not even mentioning handling cloud library well. Using it makes me think im on windows.
- I don’t think there is much of that legacy code floating around. Apple has been pretty public about rewriting that client. 2 years ago they also killed the parts of the app that were basically web content. Browsing the catalog is now a fully native experience.
  
  If you’re having playback issues, you may want to post something to one the Apple communities here. That not normal.
It's so bad, it feels like using an ipad. Notifications are buggy as hell and you can't even disable notification center with terminal like you could on x86 macs. I'm keeping an eye on Asahi linux but it seems a little too rough to be daily driveable yet.

Sort of unrelated but the apple support threads are all infuriating because they never answer the question. They embody the "it's not a bug" motto until it's clear there is a bug at which point they just say apple must be fixing it soon and to just keep your computer updated.

Hey it's me Nix but also it's me Nix flakes and that's not all it's me Nix language

Apple: Fisher-Price of the nix world

But man do they make great hardware.