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Do we actually know the truth or are we just blindly believing terrorist media spins because we hate Israel?
We might know more of the truth if Israel didn't systematically target journalists.
Unlike hamas?
This isn’t the gotcha you think it is
Israel is supposedly a democratic state. If your only argument is that literally a terrorist organization is just as bad then what does that say about Israel?
Also, why are we forking billions of dollars annually to a terrorist state.
This isn't about trusting Israel, which is not even the case for me. This is about people here trusting hamas. So better ask yourself what this says about you all.
I could continue arguing why you are wrong but it’s very obviously not worth it
From the up and downvotes most people agree with me and with the truth
Of course a platform filled with and made by Tankies is going to agree with the Hamas / Russia narrative.
The people with the tanks in this situation is Israel.
Wow, now we're Russian tankies if we believe that Israel targeted and killed children in a school? Nice one buddy
Yes, that's exactly what I said. lol The mental gymnastics... Thanks for proving my point about propaganda & agenda pushing though.
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:
*- Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;
- Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
- Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
- Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);
- Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;
- Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);
- Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).*
Welcome to Hell: The Israeli Prison System as a Network of Torture Camps [EN/AR/HE]
(And just because you're gonna question the sources as some sort of 'Hamas propaganda', here's who they are: ReliefWeb is a humanitarian information service provided by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). The service is managed by the Digital Services Section of OCHA's Information Management Branch)
And about the kids?
UNICEF says over 13,000 children killed in Gaza in Israel offensive and that was six months ago
"Don't like Israel killing children? Then you're a Putin-lover."
Holy fuck your rhetoric is getting just worse every day
Your mental gymnastics are incomprehensible.
I think you think writing the words "mental gymnastics" is a burn, but only because you don't understand what people mean with it. Which is a fair indicator of your cognitive capability.
Unless you want to explain the specific "gymnastics" you think I participated in?
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:
*- Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;
- Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
- Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
- Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);
- Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;
- Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);
- Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).*
Welcome to Hell: The Israeli Prison System as a Network of Torture Camps [EN/AR/HE]
(And just because you're gonna question the sources as some sort of 'Hamas propaganda', here's who they are: ReliefWeb is a humanitarian information service provided by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). The service is managed by the Digital Services Section of OCHA's Information Management Branch)
And about the kids?
UNICEF says over 13,000 children killed in Gaza in Israel offensive
So... what are these "mental gymnastics" I'm practicing? Because I try not to. I just go with reality. Which coincidentally is something you're incapable of doing.
This is the article in question, as you can see from the url structure it has the original headline. The article has been continually updated since press yesterday (including three hours ago) and appears to have changed a few times according to others / records at archive.org.
I didn't question the edits themselves, that happens all the time in media. But the first statements seem to been made by word released from hamas, and that's "facts" and numbers you cannot trust inherently by the fact that they're a terrorist organization. What I'm questioning is the entire meme format that seems to just been here to push an anti Israel agenda. I don't mind shitting on Israel for shit they do, but that does not mean I'm going to just eat up hamas propaganda. Memes like this are a huge part in foreign propaganda to discredit western news sources.
The numbers supplied by Hamas have been pretty accurate in the past, according to multiple UN investigations. There's simply no reason for them to exaggerate the numbers, since they are already atrocious enough.
BTW: back in December, the IDF itself released reports saying that about two thirds of the dead are civilians/not Hamas.
You can spin it like you want, what Israel is doing over there is not okay. Simple as that.
Even if true (citation needed, not that I'd trust the defunct UN anyway with China & Russia sitting on the table), that would still not give credibility to hamas or the narrative the meme tries to push.
You're moving goal posts.
lol, no. I'm literally iterating on the point I'm trying to make here. You're just proving my initial point of eating up hamas propaganda.
Nope.
You first doubted Hamas, when I mentioned, that the UN agreed generally, you say, the UN is also not a good source, without any proof of that.
The fact about the IDF was completely dropped by you, because it doesn't fit your bill.
BTW: do you have any Israeli sources? If Israel would doubt Hamas' numbers, they might issue their own reports. But they don't. Well that's weird, isn't it? But the IDF probably is also just an anti Israel agent.
So me replying to your point about the UN is somehow moving the goalpost? That would mean that you moved the goalpost. lol And Russia & China being on it is proof enough, it made the UN defunct since forever. But I guess hamas sympathizers would not see it that way since you're likely think positively of those countries too.
By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. The Ministry's figures have been contested by the Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate by Israeli intelligence services, the UN, and WHO. These data are supported by independent analyses, comparing changes in the number of deaths of UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff with those reported by the Ministry, which found claims of data fabrication implausible.
What's funny is that i interpreted the changes shown in the meme as making it softer on Israel. First edit removes the reference to the school, second edit changes the number of people killed from a big number "over 100" to a fuzzy amount "scores" that is easier to underestimate.
It's since added that information back in, but in the meme it looks like it's trying to make Israel look as not-bad as possible.
What's funny is that i interpreted the changes shown in the meme as making it softer on Israel.
Yes, that's the narrative goal of the meme and what I try to point out.
Because we hate Israel? No. Because it's precisely the kind of thing Israel does all the time? Yeah, pretty much. If Hamas tells your fire is hot, are you not gonna believe them?
Nice logical fallacy. Are you saying if Israel claims something hamas does all the time it is automatically true as well?
Would you don't be if I said I ate breakfast today? When people claim something happened that happens all the time, it's common to believe them, yes. That's common sense, not a fallacy.
But that's exactly not what is happening. lol Anything that Israel claims is being dismissed as false, anything that hamas is saying is being taking at face value. That's the base level here.
Anything that Israel claims is being dismissed as false,
Maybe if they would claim some things that don't sound exactly like the lies they always tell, and which are routinely proven false, I'd take them more seriously.
anything that hamas is saying is being taking at face value
Maybe if they weren't making the kind of claims that usually turn out to be true, I'd treat them with more skepticism.
I can't fathom how this is difficult for you to understand. If Israel has less credibility than Hamas, they have only themselves to blame for being such bald-faced liars. Hamas is terrible but they haven't pissed away all the credibility they have left since Oct 7 the was Israel's government has.
Thanks for proving my point.
You didn't have a point. Bye.
Keep sucking that Hamas cock.
You can't answer anyone here.
People are acknowledging reality.
All you do is pretend that the most respectable and credible news we have is "hamas propaganda". You're avoiding using the word "Palestine" anywhere, and you're incapable of pointing anyone to a single reliable news-source.
Weird huh, how you can't do anything but talk about sucking cock when everyone around you is showering you with undeniable facts about how Israel is literally evil to it's core.
When you're bombing schools and hospitals all the time and hand-waving it away as "human shields", I get to call bullshit. You are shitting on my mouth and calling it a sundae.
Why did they destroy all of the water treatment facilities? Were those human shields, too?
Ah yes Reuters. Definitely a terrorist media outlet for sure.
All of the headlines shown come from the same site so that argument doesn't really hold water