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I'm going to vote.
I can't pretend it matters much though. No matter which lever you pull we're getting a cognitively-impaired sock puppet.
It matters which Supreme Court nominees get appointed, it matters who’s potentially breaking ties in the senate, and it matters who gets appointed to direct departmental policy.
The president doesn’t do everything
And either the effecting people behind the one or an all new set of criminals behind the other (because all the last ones went to jail)...thinking you are voting for a single person is such an ignorant take...
Well it does matter though.
The way I see our choices is, one old man, the blue donkey, has the goal of continuing to support the status quo, for better and worse. He also has that baffling willful ignorance about the increasingly rabid violent behavior of the other guy's colleagues and voters, and how he definitely needs to fucking do something. But at least he hires people who are less old and more mentally secure than himself, since a president's cabinet and advisors are vital to the administration's function, and tend to fill in where they fall short.
But the other old man, the red elephant, he has the very well-published goal of severely lowering the quality of life for all us citizens besides wealthy white men, in some cases removing the right for some demographics to live at all (trans people, for one). The plan also includes smash-and-grabbing the federal government and raiding its wealth; this is all that Project 2025 thing that people need to talk more frequently about. He also hires unqualified criminals for his cabinets, and is a convicted criminal himself; just not in the eyes of his dogmatic culty voters, or in the majority opinion of the unelected for-life supreme court that he had previously rigged in his favor. And he is known to be in the pocket of a sadistic oligarchic foreign government for whom the cold war never actually ended.
Sure, long term this country won't last, but in the short term, this is the last shot at renewing our fragile democracy subscription while we still can. If we lose it completely with this looming fascism takeover, it will require the spilled blood of tens of millions of lives and more, to ever get it back, and at the minimum it will come with the severe decline of quality of life for all US citizens, besides wealthy white men, and the destruction of decades of history and culture that we currently take for granted. Think a US version of China's great firewall, book burnings, server wipings, cops raiding your home and smashing up all your hard drives.
And that's only if this country could even be taken back, considering, you know, the USA has the most guns and nukes of anyone, and I don't see an average Joe who happened to already own an assault rifle being successful in employing the second amendment on a missile drone swarm. Probably the best case scenario would be Balkanization, and being lucky enough to end up in a good region of the former-US, and just getting bombed over the border back and forth occasionally, and hoping everybody continues playing nice with the nukes. Because the only alternative in an unshattered fascist US at that point would be waiting for a natural decline. But as we've seen with the likes of North Korea, that process could end up taking so long that none of us here will live to see it, just the kids of our kids and on.
I'm never voting for the crazy felon cult guy who officially wants me dead, among so many other things. I don't think that any combination of our laws or legal system should have ever allowed him to return to the polls for this election, or done anything besides end up in a cell or be executed as a high threat terrorist traitor. But it's just how it ended up. But please don't act like it doesn't matter, and nobody should be keeping up with that bullshit propaganda bot lie that the outcomes will be the same either way. Sorry for the long incoherent rant, I barely even remember what your comment was, nor do I particularly want to scroll up to read it again, but nothing makes me more irritable and verbose than people giving into hopeless apathy.
nothing makes me more irritable and verbose than people giving into hopeless apathy
LOL
Man, I wish I lived a life where voter apathy was my biggest problem. I am legitimately happy for you.
Yeah but one is trying to control women’s bodies and erase LGBT people and the other isn’t, so maybe think of your neighbors when you pull the lever in defense of those who don’t have the privilege of being able to lay low when shit goes south.
Or if you’re among the above vote in your own interests lol
the other isn’t
LOL
I saw how the Democrats responded to the Roe leak. They fundraised.
That is it.
$80,000,000 was the cost of your bodily autonomy, so at this point, I'm not really able to pretend that Biden's going to stand, drooling over the Resolute Desk, and do anything meaningful to stop the spread of fascism.
Idaho got away with criminalizing abortion, so now, 2/3 of the states will follow within the next year. You can bank on it.
“Yeah may as well go vote Trump then”? Is that the response you want?
Nope.
I'm voting Green. I like my candidates to be able to form coherent sentences.
Then you are voting for whoever wins.
Ah, so you’re a Russian shill then. Voting 3rd party is as effective S not voting. You’re pulling for Trump.
Yeah, that's what the Trumpists say when I tell them I'm voting Green.
You all are the same.
Because you are voting for whoever wins not the green candidate.
You are incorrect.
If the Green candidate wins one single electoral vote I will donate $50 to the charity of your choice. Surely you wouldn’t throw your vote away on a guaranteed loss so what have you got to lose?
Surely this year they’ll actually run in all 50 states.
I think you need to reevaluate what winning means.
How badly do the Dems have to betray you before you're willing to do anything different? Was it not enough to see them shrug their shoulders and the doubling and tripling of the cost of living? What about when Roe was repealed and all they did with their majority was fundraise? Or how about that time when you needed aid to live, or someone you know did, and instead they sent your tax money to fund the genocide of children?
When is it enough?
So you're voting for the end of America and in full support of destroying democracy, all just because you're an ignorantly proud and stubborn dumb fuck.
Nice.
There's something pure about a Green candidate. The fact that they stand no chance of winning is kinda Zen, they'll never stop being a candidate.
It's absolutely ghoulish to throw your vote away on Green when so many stand to suffer when the left splits their votes, but it is pretty Zen if you care more about abstract principles than human suffering.
The reason yall are in this mess is cause you quit caring about abstract principles a long time ago.
You're exactly 100% wrong. The reason we're in this mess is because we let perfect be the enemy of better, and prioritized unactionable abstract principles over tangible policy.
Every third party vote is an admission that the voter prefers pristine, incorruptible (because it will never suffer the test of implementation) fantasy over ugly but effective pragmatism.
No. It's because yall gave the democratic party near ties instead of complete blowouts that would force strategy change. Just one 80-20 election would have changed everything. Republican voters are voting for what they want while you sad pseudo intellectuals support what you don't.
Uhh… you know, usually if someone loses that hard in popular consensus, it’s a pretty widely accepted strategy to get their policies closer to the ones who won.
Like how after three consecutive Republican terms, the left propped up Clinton.
Not how it works long term. You make your party very different than the winner, give an actual choice to be made. When things go to shit under the incumbents, provided your party members can give compelling reasons their ideas and policy will succeed. Or they're just sick of the incumbent and want a change. Within a year there's gonna be a complete blow out of the Liberal party in Canada and replacement by a quite different conservative party. There was a time the Liberal and PC parties leaders and policies were nearly identical, watching those debates was surreal, them angrily saying the same thing back n forth at each other in different words. The PC party no longer exists, has been replaced by an actual conservative party that does quite well, already has had a ten year prime minister despite only being a party since 1990.
80-20 blowout for who?
This sort of thing happens in other countries. The Conservative party in Canada (federally) is not the same party as the previous Conservative party. After Brian Mulroney, the party got blown out so bad it lost official party status, theyd been around since 1850. The current conservative party is the renamed Reform party, founded 1988 or so. Went from a new party to governance in roughly 14 years. Ever now and then, the media still tries to call them "Tories" but they're not, that party died, federally. Still exists in some provinces on a "state" level, Doug Ford is one, premier of Ontario, but works fairly closely with Federal Liberals more than Federal Conservatives.
So you’re throwing away your vote got it. Jfc the Green Party? You need to do some research man.
Totally.
Did you watch the debate, by chance?
Did you watch the Green candidate with Russian puppet strings?
Oh ffs please drop the faux polite pretentious bullshit.