Yay! More centralisation!
Yay! More centralisation!
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Stop making good the enemy of perfect!
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Yeah, anything to get them from reddit is good.
Plus, once they get a feel for Lemmy and the wider fediverse, they can then migrate their account elsewhere.
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Some of them maybe, but a lot are super toxic and I just hope they stay on reddit and make each other suffer rather than the good ppl on lemmy.
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That’s a moderation issue, and if we can’t handle it here, Lemmy is doomed regardless.
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No, it's not. Lemmy is immortal.
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Anywhere but:
- lemmy[.]ml
- lemmygrad[.]ml
- lemmy[.]world
- he xbea r[.]net
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I hate the communists on this platform developed by communists
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I don't hate communists. The reasons I don't recommend those instances are:
lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments
lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot.
lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues
hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.-
Supporting nazi governments is frowned upon, yes
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Do you honestly agree with the idea that Ukraine was a nazi country?
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Was? No, the nazis are still in charge. I said government, don't pull that shit where you make no distinction between the people and their jailers. Ukrainians? Probably mostly cool, haven't met them. Their government? Absolutely nazis, absolutely put in place by us to do nazis shit.
I had a whole thing written about Operation GLADIO and America's almost century-long history of doing exactly this all over the world, how the word "Tankie" comes from the time the Soviet Union stopped them from doing it to Hungary in 1956, but then I remembered a picture is worth a thousand words. Here's several pictures:
That's a picture of Stephan Bandera by the way, head of the OUN-B organization which participated in the Holocaust. Here he is in his in his spiffy military uniform:
Eh, times change, right? It's not as if any recent high ranking government officials have been see-
Ah. Hm.
Well, it's not like they're doing hitler youth shit, right?
God damn, what the hell is going on? Is there some kind of documented, easy-to follow trail of obvious causality that I can use to make sense of this??
Of course there is, and it's only a minute and a half long!
Okay, joking is done. Real talk, do you honestly believe the obviously bullshit narrative that Ukraine isn't a country whose people live under the Nazi boot?
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By nazi country, I meant ruled by nazis. Sorry if that was unclear.
Even if Ukraine has a "nazi problem" russia's invasion is nothing but imperialism.
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I appreciate the clarification, the trap of assuming class unity within a country is one that these conversations unfortunately fall into easily.
I have to ask though, what imperialism means to you. It wasn't too long ago that most people made fun of communists for using the word, and now it's a popular word to use but I never see it defined. What's your understanding of it?
Also, why do you put nazi problem in quotes, as if to distance yourself from accepting the idea?
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Also, why do you put nazi problem in quotes, as if to distance yourself from accepting the idea?
Yes, that is why.
what imperialism means to you
Pretty much the same as the definition google spits out:
a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means
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hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
This is exactly why you should tell people leaving reddit to check it out.
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No thanks, people like that make reddit a miserable experience. Its the same here.
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"boo hoo people shit on me for being reactionary"
That is all I get from this comment without further elaboration.
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i'm not getting anything from your comment either, I don't even know what you are talking about. reactionary? people shit on me?
It's just a miserable reading experience even when I don't interact. Hopefully blocking certain instances helps, but what makes me wary is that blocking certain people for example seems to hide the whole threads if someone in the thread is blocked.
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I don't even know what you are talking about. reactionary?
Wait, are you getting involved in political discussions without any familiarity with actual politics? Or even a willingness to google terms to pretend you know what people are talking about?
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What terms should I google then? I'm familiar with the terms i've seen in the thread this far.. Like, I know what reactionary means, I just don't know why they are using that word. .. Are they suggesting disliking communist content is.. reactionary?
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Some people don't come here to talk politics.
There are some people who may just use reddit for non-political stuff, like crafts, gaming and news from their country. Most of that stuff is on lemmy.world.-
We do all that too, we're just cooler. We have DIY comms, anime comms, I run the gaming discord where we mostly just chill and play Foxhole ARMA and project zomboid.
My point is that everything is political and for people that want a nice cozy space that is vigilantly purged of reactionaries and bigots it's a breath of fresh air from the reddit environment that carries over to a lot of the big "default" - as you call them - instances.
Shit half the posts on hexbear are silly jokes, weird special interest stuff, personal projects, or random bean posting. We are just very very militant and fairly unified when topics of politics come up and it has roots in irreverent commie shitposting so that will always be there.
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hexbear does have a lot of non-political comms, but some of the more niche ones are on .world. I think .world is still far better than
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.world is full of fascists and bigots just as bad as reddit is.
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Those people can literally go back to reddit and have their use experience be 100% identical
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Not really. Reddit has gotten really shitty. Not just the community, the actual platform itself.
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Hexbear.net defederated because of a domain problem that's since been fixed
Although I suspect the "censorship of pro-ukraine posts and comments" is just as much present there as it is in lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, and the main reason for the "censorship" is racism
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No, some instances block hex.
Also, .ml's modlog shows a clear pro-russia bias. People should oppose the U.S's imperialism, but supporting russia (even critically) isn't the answer. I feel like hexbear has a more diverse range of views compared to .ml or grad though.
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Spesifying that you shouldn't support Russia even critically shows that you don't understand the meaning of "critically"
Who benefits from the extension of the conflict? Who manufactures the soon-to-be expired warheads and ammunition sold to Ukraine?
US wouldn't cease the the siege of Iraq and Afganistan before they gained the control of the whole governing body of the country and then extending the occupation for a decade (before abandoning the puppet government to fend for itself)
If Russia ceased all operations today keeping all the area they gained throughout this war, they would have still done less harm to Ukraine than US has done in any of its conflicts
"Critical support" means support for the option that causes the least humanitarian damage
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Also, .ml's modlog shows a clear pro-russia bias. People should oppose the U.S's imperialism, but supporting russia (even critically) isn't the answer
Have you considered that reality supports Russia's justifications for intervening in Ukraine
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And what are those justifications?
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It is predictable that if you're a worldwide bully (the US) you will try to establish a military presence, through alliances, on the border of your 'enemy'.
It is predictable that the country you are trying to surround (Russia) with those military bases/allies will try to prevent it.
Anyone with the US on their doorstep is in a significantly disadvantaged position to defend themselves from the US' bullshit.
The US baited Ukraine with false promises of joining NATO to provoke Russia into retaliation, kill as many Russians as possible without sparing a single US soldier, and discouraged peace talks at any opportunity to keep the war going.
Now that Ukraine has outlived its usefulness, the US has stopped stringing them along and doesn't care anymore. This was starting under Biden and was finalized by Trump.
All the 'Slava ukraini' people are cheering on is the continuation of a proxy war that has seen the desolation of Ukraine's economy and population.
Russia going home and letting the US enact their original plan is a fantasy. So do you want the death of every Ukranian before it ends?
If someone thinks pointing all this out is somehow "pro-Russia" instead of just focusing on actual motivations for these actions, then they've shut off the critical thinking center of their brain.
Everyone on Hexbear knows and says modern Russia is an oligarchic shit hole similar to the US and would cheer it's downfall in the same way. Except that it's downfall would allow the US to expand and cause even more harm to the rest of the world it exploits.
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What a weird take. Its not promoted as an app for communists even if its made by them. Decentralized should mean that noone can enforce it to be communist.
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I think they meant that no one should be surprised that there are communists on a platform created by communists.
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I'm not sure anyone in this thread has claimed that they are surprised.
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No, decentralized means the communists won't get banned from your feed unless you block them yourself
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Same point, different wording.
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it's not, you can mold the lemmy you experience perfectly to your liking, you just have to moderate it yourself, just don't be surprised when you come across communists everywhere
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Yes its the same point, you just misread my comment.
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my apologies, I was high
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Now explain why to the masses.
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- tankies
- tankies
- centralisation
- tankies
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tankies => historical revisionism and genocide denial.
I don’t really care if they are authoritarian communists, I care that they deny or try to embellish massive human rights absuses and human suffering.
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I mean I don't care if they're communists but the authoritarian bit is a no for me.
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Authoritarian anything; within reason - is generally a bad thing. Ie communism, capitalism, and all spectrums in between :)
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I mean yeah that was my point lol
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To expand:
On .ml, you'll likely end up being banned for "bigotry" if you dare criticize certain authoritarian regimes. The mods and admins cannot handle any sort of dissent, so censorship is quite heavy there. You'll even get banned from unrelated communities. It's the least toxic of the "Big Three" tankie instances, but still not a great place to be. There's also the issue of overcentralization since it's such a large instance, as getting an unwarranted ban can block off access to a good chunk of communities.
Grad is .ml but more extremist. They're widely defederated for good reason, as their users are pretty horrible to anyone they consider a shitlib. I can't say much about them from personal experience as they've been defederated with my instance for as long as I've been here, but many have alts on .ml where they do engage in shitty behaviour.
Hexbear is by far the worst. Take grad, and turn the hostility up to 11. If you say the wrong thing, it may end up posted in their "dunk tank" where they'll then proceed to harass you as a group for days or longer, even taking it to DMs. They do not federate with other instances to participate in good faith, they federate in order to push their agenda and "dismantle Western propaganda". And by that, they actually mean flooding threads with oversized emotes and graphic pictures of pigs shitting on their own testicles when they decide to brigade. They're also widely defederated for good reason, and most threads involving defederating with them have plenty of examples of their awful conduct outside of their instance. Many have alts on other instances to bypass said defederation though.
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Sounds about right.
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abbout righht indeed
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Because most Americans can't handle any other worldview and have no identity beyond mindless nationalism.
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Tankies simply partake in a different nationalism: Russian or Chinese
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Not everyone against tankies are American or even from the West. You ARE aware Lemmy has many worldwide users, right?
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Lmao spend one minute on meanehileongrad and say that again.
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lol 🤡
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What the heck does this have to do with choosing a social media platform, comrade?
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Facts
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"I hate centralization, we should do less centralization"
posts a list of instances to avoid, 3/4 of which are actually much smaller in active users than his own, presumably just all instances he politically disagrees with
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Not really.
- lemmy[.]ml - Censorship of pro-ukraine posts
- lemmygrad - see above; also defederated a lot.
- lemmy[.]world - too big, has a lot of toxic people, some moderation issues
- hex - defederated from most of the mainstream fediverse.
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so that's 3/4 that you're saying to avoid because you personally have deemed their moderation policies objectively inferior (and judging by 1 and 2 you probably think the same about hexbear?)
sounds like they're just instances you politically disagree with, one of which does happen to also be massive. I'm not saying redditors should come to those 4 instances, they mostly shouldn't (grad and hexbear don't want most of them, .ml has been trying to not be "the default instance" since forever, and world is a shithole and already massive/centralizing), but your choice of list was transparently more political than it was about centralization, why not just be honest about that?
Or are you going to pull the "moderation policies are (or should be) objective and apolitical" canard?
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I never said it was about centralisation, it was about instances being recommended to newcomers. Sorry if that was unclear.
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I don't know if you realise this but we can actually see the titles of posts we're commenting on.
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The comment I was replying to said "Don't make perfect the enemy of good!", likely referring to getting users onto the fediverse from sites like reddit. I think recommending almost any instance but those ones is a good idea to newcomers.
Also, just because the title references centralisation, the biggest problem plaguing LW, doesn't mean there are other reasons to avoid it.
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What context do you think they said that in? Were they referring to a completely different post? No, obviously not, the entire discussion has been about centralisation, because you made the title of the thread about centralisation, and now that's being used against you you're pretending that somehow the entire discussion you created about centralisation isn't about centralisation.
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Don't forget:
- vegantheoryclub [.] org
- tankies
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wait, what?
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They love simping for the CCP and Putin.
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Here fucking here. 3 are blatantly full of Nazis and one is just Reddit.
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So like the big servers that everyone's on, gotcha
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Pretty much yeah. Spreading stuff out so there is no single point of failure is a good thing.
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