Bumble's new CEO is already leaving the company months after killing its signature feature
Lidiane Jones is resigning from Bumble and founder Whitney Wolfe Herd will return as CEO.
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There's a big problem with the "women message first" gimmick, and it's that they just don't.
If they don't simply let the match expire, you either get a shitty Gif, or something along the lines of "hey."
Maybe one in ten will actually send a message that genuinely starts a conversation.
I literally saw so many profiles being like “I don’t message first”, like do you even understand what the app you’ve signed up for is?
I always wondered if they realised we actually can't send the first message.
Well, men CAN message first, as of like 8 months ago.
I did hear about that.
Great, so I can just use any other dating app now, and don't need Bumble anymore? What kind of genius move it is to kill the signature feature. But oh well the person responsible already left...
it would work better if it was "women swipe first'. men can look at and swipe the women who swiped them already. this solves two problems:
please give me 1 million dollars
thanks
This means men will see many fewer women on the platform in many cases.
it means men would not spend hours on the app, which means nobody would ever do this
Exactly, Im 50 and Im not rich or particularly good looking. If I was straight I might only see 5 or 6 women on the app that would match with me to begin with and if those didn't become anything I'd be done with that app. It can't work
Would you rather see 5 or 6 women that all expressed interest in you or a thousand women who have never and probably will never even see you? Open the app, swipe 5 or 6 times, move on with your life.
This is very well put.
Exceptthe company that makes the app needs you to keep dating to make money. If ypu have 5 options and they don't pan out you are done with that app.
As someone who has spent a stupid amount of time browsing Tinder for shits & giggles, I'm not sure I wouldn't want that. But then again I'm gay and things work way differently for us. If I swipe right, it's very likely we match and then have a boring convo that goes nowhere. Maybe I suck at it but I never have any luck despite everything.
You're gonna have a boring convo on a chat app with a random stranger. You're both interested in each other, just ask to meet up. Do something interesting together and the conversation will flow naturally.
i am the most attractive sexy man in my entire giant city of 23 million people but i still have to swipe 50 girls to get 1 match and i might not even be that interested in her. better to meet girls in real life and follow them around on the tube and insert myself into their personal space 🚀
Who wants men spending hours on the app and why? Most of these are subscription-based, not ad-supported.
Sure, but you've got to build that habit of checking the app. Gotta lure people back for more little hits of dopamine. The men aren't going to subscribe (or at least stay subscribed) if they aren't getting that illusion of lots of options for people to date.
i dunno i thought that was the goal of all apps. it's free money basically
No, it's the goal of apps that want to serve as many advertisements as humanly possible. Most dating apps don't have any way to monetize your attention.
Yes, that's the idea. They wouldn't see anyone who hasn't already liked them.
Which means after the exhaust those few options they won't use that app again. No app developer will do this.
They're not "exhausting options". They're just only seeing the options that are actually available, rather than an endless stream of those that aren't.
You get that not seeing more people is the problem for the developer, right?
What?
If I see five options and then date those five and it goes nowhere if there aren't new potential matches presented regardless of suitability the user will go to a different app where they are given the illusion of more choice.
Facebook dating kinda has this where you get notified if someone likes you Ironically it works better than any other dating app. The whole swipe til you both match deal is just to keep people paying and using the app for longer
Would be totally cool if I wasn't completely certain that they would use that against me.
Oh definitely, it doesn’t work good for the sake of its users
That's the premium feature in pretty much every dating app. You get to see who likes you but you have to pay the money to find out if anyone swiped on you at all.
They imply that lots of people swiped on you but you don't actually know until after you've given the money.
So basically your plan is to just remove the con part which I'm all in favor of.
you either get a shitty Gif, or something along the lines of "hey."
So same result as when men message first.
Might just be my experience, but men put in more effort. Probably because women are more desirable so they don't really need to.
*superficially desirable
*men are hornier
*some men are hornier.
*most
Edit: on the scale of all women versus all men, it’s not even close. Men are by far the hornier of the two biological sexes. There are specific women who can be hornier than a lot of men, and there are men who are not sexual at all…. This does not mean that it is incorrect to generalize and say that men are hornier.
I loved bumble when I was on it 🤷♂️ much, much higher hit rate than any other app
I have by far more luck getting matches on tinder
Well cultural habits are slow to change. I suspect it would take some 20 years to change the dynamics such than women are always expected to make the first move.
Bumble was well positioned to push for that change, unfortunately earning revenue has a priority, they are are a business after all. Still their gimmick got the ball rolling, we'll see who picks it up next.
That ratio was much higher for me. I'd say about 70% sent a message. Probably work on the profile, make it more interesting? If that is now really gone I'm not sure whether I ever install that App anymore, it was nice not having to come up with first messages with questionable outcome...
Maybe it's you guys, but I never really had this issue.
Just like with anything, if you put something interesting in your bio, women will use that as conversation starter.
No, they didn't. I had plenty in my bio about hobbies, sports etc, very few mentioned it.
That is definitely not it. Looking at my bio which I wrote ages ago I'm actually kind of concerned I'm slightly doxing in myself the amount of information that's in there.
The problem is that there is a social convention that men start the conversation, so a lot of women just aren't very good at openings, so they say "hi" and then I've basically got to carry the conversation. So what's the point in the app then? Even if they just opened with "sorry I'm not very good at this yet" it would be a start, but noooo.
Yeah I can see how women message first will tank a dating app. That fucking stupid. I get it that women get bombarded with messages from guys on dating apps. But guess what all the time I used the apps 0% was I ever messaged by a woman.
Women don't chase men because they don't have too. I knew several women I help set up their dating profiles. They would get a 1000 hits, mostly guys says "hey" or the worse be :hey baby".
How I realize just how easy and why I never had problems with dating apps. You got to give a woman more then hey and calling them baby is just cringe. Then you get the guys straight up asking for sex or nudes. Anyways point is having the app where the men can't make a move unless the women contact you? Will not work wtf was she thinking?
Hell most of them like to just scroll, none of them were interested in making the first move.
having the app where the men can't make a move unless the women contact you? Will not work wtf was she thinking?
I mean, it did work though. It was one of the top dating apps for a long time.
Work as in actually help meet people? Not really.
As a man who’s struggling with dating, Bumble has always been more effective for me than Tinder
Agreed. When I was playing that game Bumble for me was a much more effective platform. Tinder is horrible, just a cesspool of low moral high ego monkeys.
Admittedly my marriage started from a one night stand / hookup at a bar with someone visiting from 400km away, so these apps never paid off in the long term for me.
Huh the app lost 53% of stock price so no whatsoever she was doing didn't work why they fired her ass.
whatsoever she was doing didn't work why they fired her ass.
You're contradicting yourself, because you didn't understand (or didn't read) the article.
Bumble was a platform where only women could message first. It was a leading platform for a while. This CEO changed that to be a more conventional system where men could message first. After that change, the user base dwindled and the stock tanked, as you noted.
In other words, they were much more successful as a woman-message-first platform.
I see never used Bumble, well are they changing it back? What other features does it hold? Is like all the rest now were you swipe left or right? I used OKCUPID back when you had to put thought into your profile. And the longer the better.
What she was doing was making it so men can message first...
Maybe you missed the headline where this was a new CEO that killed their only unique feature...or the fact that I used the past tense in the comment you replied to.
You literally listed a bunch of reasons why men shouldn't be allowed to message first
I'm not that conventionally attractive and Bumble worked great for me in my late 30s. People on different platforms are looking for different things. Bumble had its niche and it was very successful there, even if it was not for you like the other apps we're not for me.
mostly guys says “hey” or the worse be :hey baby"
Can you perhaps understand why that might be as bad as getting no messages at all? How many dick pictures were mixed in? Many, many, many men use these apps to spam matching with everyone. Those “hi”’s rarely lead to actual connection.
