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Fellow MSTies, what is your all-time favorite episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000?
  • I'm very fond of Jack Frost. It's as corny and delightfully bizare as one could want from a Russian mythology movie made in 1965 USSR, and the riffs are obviously great.

  • Why was the genetic engineering research at Darwin Station in TNG 2x07 "Unnatural Selection" legal?
  • The idea of deliberately creating otherwise illegal augmented people purely for the purpose of making it easier to systemically identify other augmented people is so brazenly unethical, I am at a loss for further comment.

  • Why was the genetic engineering research at Darwin Station in TNG 2x07 "Unnatural Selection" legal?
  • it does explain why Bashir’s father was imprisoned but the Darwin station researchers were not.

    Does it?

    The Darwin Station researchers are human, as are their augmented subjects. Julian Bashir does not live on Earth at the time his augmentation is discovered. The Bashir family did not get this treatment done on Earth, and given the extreme lengths they went to get Julian treated, alongside Richard's documented inability to keep a job consistently, it would have been utterly insane not to move to a different world (instead of a different city on Earth, as they actually did) after they got the treatment if this would also free them from any risk of legal repercussions.

    Further, Strange New Worlds explicitly refers to this as a Federation law, and the principal reason why Illyrians are not welcome in the Federation.

  • Why was the genetic engineering research at Darwin Station in TNG 2x07 "Unnatural Selection" legal?

    Darwin Station was an explicitly Federation genetic research facility which was creating human children with telepathic and telekinetic powers, rapid physical maturation, and immensely powerful active immune systems (the last of which unwittingly killed the crew of a transport ship). This seems like precisely the sort of genetic engineering which has been banned in the Federation since it's conception, in regulations which are repeatedly referenced in TNG, DS9, and VOY. And yet, nobody even hints at there being an ethical, legal, or regulatory issue with what these researchers are doing. Dr. Pulaski even says of one augment child, without any apparent concern, "We could be looking at the future of humanity."

    One would think that if one has a broad reaching policy against genetic augmentation principally motivated by the genetic wars, and by subsequent reinforcement of the idea that arbitrarily enhanced people are likely to be dangerously unstable, this sort of genetic program is exactly what that policy exists to prevent. And yet, there is it.

    So, what happened here? Was this the product of a brief lull in Federation policy regarding genetic augmentation? A Federation research team going way off the rails, meeting an Enterprise crew feeling unusually liassez-faire about Federation law? Or something else?

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    Civilization 7 dev on Ages system and series shakeup: "It's going to be the hardest thing for fans to get adjusted to"
  • Ahh yes, Civ IV. From ye olden days, when the dev teams cared about such weird and obsolete ideas as testing the game before release, or creating an interface that tells the player what the fuck is actually happening. Or useable asynchronous multiplayer, or an AI with enough of a clue to play the damn game competently... I could go on.

    Some people apparently liked V's whole "don't build too many cities, we don't want to have an actual empire here" deal, which definitely isn't my thing but does create less micro. But most of the mechanics were reasonable and the UI shared more or less enough info to follow along. They also opened up the code after the final expansion so modders could do some really great things.

    IV had a lot of really good ideas, and zero polish. The current version of the game is laden with silly bugs, ride with bizarre balancing choices, and hideously opaque with simple questions like "how much research have I put into this tech", "how much production overflowed off this completed build", and "how likely is this unit to kill this other unit, vs simply damaging it." They haven't opened up the code to modders, nor have they put any effort into fixing these frankly silly errors themselves.

    Civ IV is great because of relatively simple mechanics which allow a lot of interesting choices in how to construct and develop your empire. It accentuates this by getting all the boring stuff right: bugs are few and minor, the interface is communicative, etc. it's not perfect in either regard, and yet somehow it far exceeds its successors in these simple categories. This is how you make a good turn-based 4X game actually fun, even with 2005 graphics.

    And yet, V and VI sold extremely well, and VII seemingly will as well, despite inevitably being a grossly inferior product at release which will be dragged most of the way to a truly finished state over five years of patches and DLC.

    I guess this is very "stop having fun meme", but why the hell are the only games in this genre (of all genres) trading balance, bug fixes, and comprehensible interfaces for fancy graphics? Is it really not profitable to make a game like Civ IV in 2024?

  • Gender and Sexual Orientation in FERENGI society
  • I think you're probably on the right track here, but I think your takes are on the charitable side. The Ferengi would clearly like to believe their attitude is “If you’ve got the lobes and you’ve got the Latinum, I don’t care what you do,” but in practice they are very committed to some massive societal disparities which are not financially profitable.

    In a society so deeply stratified by sex (and far from egalitarian in other regards), MtF trans folks would likely be looked down upon for apparently abandoning a way of life which Ferengi males clearly consider both morally superior and far more pleasant than the lot of a woman. In practice I suspect very few would condemn themselves to the legal status of a Ferengi woman by openly transitioning. They'd seek out secret treatment, and private expression, but publicly continue to appear as men.

    Conversely, FtM trans people would be viewed with intense suspicion: a conniving, cynical Ferengi would likely view such a case as a woman attempting to escape from her rightful lower place in society. Frankly, given the horrific situation Ferengi women are placed in, if FtM trans folks were accepted as men even in the minimal legal sense, I'd expect at least a few cis women to attempt to take that avenue out of the societally mandated hellhole they would otherwise be condemned to. Perhaps the Ferengi have reliable tests for gender dysphoria that would doom these efforts, or perhaps not.

    As for non-binary folks, I don't think they'd get it. Either you're a normal (male) Ferengi, or you're an inferior and powerless woman. How could someone possibly fall between those two states?

    In short, the incredibly pervasive and legally enforced sexism of Ferengi society creates significant complications for trans folks of any kind. It's a really horrible and frankly depressing setup, which the Ferengi themselves are willfully oblivious to.

    Post Rom, I would expect the women's liberation movement to be a watershed event for trans folks of all sorts, and lead to a fairly rapid normalization of Ferengi publicly being their true selves. It's still going to be a rough road socially, but clearing the legal barriers will go a long ways.

  • Gender and Orientation in Vulcan Society
  • The only logical argument I can find in all of this, is that choosing a mate based on feeling/preference, instead of logic, might demonstrate that an individual is more emotional and therefore less logical. And I think we all know how Vulcans feel about things that are not logical and/or things that act upon their feelings....

    Personally, I don't see that having a preference in a mate, even one that steps outside the heteronormative, is a flaw in their logic. If you enjoy your time with your mate, and that makes you a better, more productive individual, then I fail to see a problem.

    I don't see any evidence that Vulcans don't completely agree with your own personal stance here.

    Vulcans clearly do act upon personal values, desires, preferences, etc, that we as humans would view as emotional responses. "I want [a cookie/you to live long and prosper/to have galactic peace/to solve this math equation/etc]" is, for a human, a statement inherently rooted in an emotional assessment. The Vulcans themselves, however, clearly do not view these things as emotional expression.

    We see partnerships which don't produce children, and despite Vulcans having no filter whatsoever when it comes to criticizing others for being "illogical", nobody seems to have anything to say to Sarek for apparently having no children with his last wife Perrin. When Tuvok is separated from his wife, he acknowledges on multiple occasions that he misses her because he wants to be able to spend time with her; he certainly doesn't bemoan the missed opportunity to fulfill a societal obligation to pop out more babies.

    We don't have explicit counterfactuals here, but we all know that ultimately comes down to Doylist reasons. There's no reason we should assume that Vulcan society shares Rick Berman's personal sense of morality in this area.

  • Gender and Orientation in Vulcan Society
  • That (non)response leaves those Vulcans without acknowledgement of what they are and trapped in a society constructed around heteronormalcy. They may find one another and form groups, but still be expected to take heterosexual mates and be part of a “logical” family structure.

    Can you cite any evidence of this? 90s Trek presents all societies as relatively heteronormative because it was the 90s and Rick Berman was a homophobe, but I see little evidence that Vulcans society should be considered any more or less heteronormative than Humans, Klingons, etc. Nor can I recall evidence that the Vulcans would consider one man and one woman to be the singular "logical" family structure.

    Katra is how Vulcans rationalize the different opinions/desires/preferences each Vulcan has and just lumps them all into what must be one’s “soul”, rather than acknowledge the emotional identity such things emerge from.

    Likewise, I'd like to know where this description of Katras as a catchall cause for personal preference is stated.

  • Gender and Orientation in Vulcan Society
  • Reproductive organs are for reproducing and reproducing only. If you have a penis you’re a male of the species, if you have a vagina you’re a female of the species. Anything else is a genetic abnormality that should be fixed.

    There’s no room for emotion, no room to feel like you’re in the wrong body or to identify as something other than what you physically present.

    I see little grounds for this assessment.

    Vulcans not only recognize the immense complexity of the mind, but they also recognize people have a soul (their Katra). Why would it be "ice cold logic" to decide that the physical body, not the mind or soul, determines what a person truly is? Especially in a technological context where elaborate reconstructive surgeries are trivially easy.

    Vulcans have preferences, desires, and needs that we would describe as emotionally driven. Vulcans clearly do not consider these to be emotional in nature. Despite practicing arranged marriages, the actions of those Vulcans whose lives we see into (Spock, T'Pring, Sarek, T'Pol, etc) clearly show that they are not strictly beholden to such arrangements, and value forming romantic partnerships with people they are attracted to. Likewise, the need to occupy the correct type of body, and by referred to by the correct name and correct terms, would surely be understood and accepted without difficulty.

  • Children on the Cerritos
  • I think this is the simplest explanation: there are a number of married officers on board, some of whom have kids with them, but whose partners are deployed to other ships. The Cerritos is a relatively logical ship to have the kids on if you have to pick between two: it's not a frontline capital ship so it's missions are relatively low risk, and unlikely to take it especially far from core Federation space.

  • Theory About Pike's Wheelchair
  • Irreparable brain damage is something the Federation remains uncomfortable trying to "fix" with advanced tech well into the TNG era, as shown by Bareil's situation in DS9 Life Support.

    Knowing nothing of brain science, I'd extend your theory to posit that Pike also lacks the brain function to do any fine motor controls of his body: he can conceptualize simple things like "go to a place," but cannot handle anything more precise. As such, the chair and beeper allows him essentially the same freedom of movement and expression that his damaged brain could have got out of a more "conventional" set of cybernetic replacements.

    Pikes chair still sticks out as a classic example of old Star Trek having moments of not-so-prescience, but viewing it as a solution to a damaged brain more than a damaged body definitely helps make it less absurd.

  • Has Reddit’s traffic really quadrupled in 6 months?
  • From the Washington Post piece:

    But the study doesn’t go so far as to say that Russia had no influence on people who voted for President Donald Trump.

    • It doesn’t examine other social media, like the much-larger Facebook.
    • Nor does it address Russian hack-and-leak operations. Another major study in 2018 by University of Pennsylvania communications professor Kathleen Hall Jamieson suggested those probably played a significant role in the 2016 race’s outcome.
    • Lastly, it doesn’t suggest that foreign influence operations aren’t a threat at all.

    And

    “Despite these consistent findings, it would be a mistake to conclude that simply because the Russian foreign influence campaign on Twitter was not meaningfully related to individual-level attitudes that other aspects of the campaign did not have any impact on the election, or on faith in American electoral integrity,” the report states.

  • Men are turning to OnlyFans for emotional connection — and experts are split over its impact on loneliness
  • There's a lot more to successfully finding and maintaining romantic relationships with women (or anyone else) than showing bare minimum levels of respect, and assuming otherwise is both counterproductive and offensive.

  • Thomas the Train in America (2023)
  • Wrong number of wheels too.

  • xG Map for Brighton vs Brentford

    Brentford's defense held up alright, but they really struggled to move the ball through midfield or spring any really dangerous looking counters against a team that has had shown some real defensive frailty this season. Of course it's hardly a shock that a squad missing Norgaard and Jensen was lacking in midfield technical ability, or that Saman Ghoddos might be imperfect defensively while moonlighting at left back.

    All things considered, this could have gone much worse.

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    question about "synchronic displacement" in TNG 'Times Arrow'
  • As other posters have pointed out to you, blithely dismissing OP's question because they are asking about the meaning of "nonsense words made up by writers" is completely missing the point of this community. We all know Star Trek is fiction constructed by writers; pointing that out while adding nothing else of interest is both pointless and boring.

    We don't expect or require all answers to be from an in-universe perspective, but we do expect everyone to engage in discussion politely and seriously. If this is all you have to say on the subject, don't comment.

  • Frank explains Hickey absence
    www.brentfordfc.com Frank explains Hickey absence

    Brentford head coach Thomas Frank reveals that full-back Aaron Hickey will be out until 2024 with a hamstring injury; the Bees boss also praised his players' mentality after a comeback which saw the west Londoners beat West Ham United 3-2 in the Premier League on Saturday

    Frank explains Hickey absence

    The injuries just keep on coming, don't they?

    Hickey is out with a hamstring injury until 2024, leaving the team with midfielder Vitaly Janelt as seemingly the only remaining option on the roster to play left back. I imagine his primary backup would be Ghoddos, or possibly Ben Mee? Mbeumo has been frequently deployed in that spot when chasing games, but surely he won't be used there under normal circumstances.

    Hopefully Flekken's "dead leg" is a strictly temporary issue and he'll be back out there against Liverpool on Sunday. He hasn't exactly impressed this season, but Strakosha's only start of the season was disastrous and he was barely challenged in goal on Saturday (although his distribution was pretty good).

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    Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x10 "Old Friends, New Planets"

    This is the Daystrom Institute Episode Analysis thread for Lower Decks 4x10 Old Friends, New Planets.

    Now that we’ve had a few days to digest the content of the latest episode, this thread is a place to dig a little deeper.

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    Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x10 "Old Friends, New Planets"
  • I kept expecting William Boimler to show up before the end of the season, guess they’re holding onto that thread for next year

    I think it would be pretty funny if they just never picked up that thread again. William Boimler, already presumed dead, joins S31, does ???? because ?????, is never heard from again.

    Then again, this show could do a great job riffing off of how counterproductive and ultimately stupid S31 is, in addition to their absurdly twisted and seemingly inconsistent history. So I'd be perfectly happy to see that too.

  • Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x10 "Old Friends, New Planets"
  • This was an excellent finale (as all four of them have been, not at all a given with modern Trek or frankly modern television in general), and fully justifies the somewhat weaker setup episode before it.

    "A paywall on a bomb?" might be the best joke this show has delivered in it's whole run. I don't often crack up while watching these episodes, but this one really got me. At the very least it's up there with "It's a bomb! You can only use it once!" from Wej Duj. I'm sensing a pattern.

    In more typical lower key Lower Decks humor, Boimler and Rutherford arguing about if Locarno looks like Tom Paris was excellent.

    I do wonder what the plan is with Tendi. We've seen supposed major shakeups like this dropped into previous finales, of course, with Boimler leaving the Cerritos for the Titan at the end of season one and Freeman getting arrested at the end of Season 2, which were quickly reverted in the first few episodes of the subsequent season. Odds are that's the play here. I hope so, because losing Tendi would suck. She's a delight.

    Why was Boimler the acting captain when the command staff took off on the captain's yacht? There was a full Lieutenant right behind him on the bridge, and surely tens of others on the ship who are more senior and more qualified. A little bit of a main character boost there.

  • Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x09 "The Inner Fight"
  • This episode was okay, I guess? It feels very strange to be sitting on one half of an obvious two parter from this show, and recent Trek shows have left me with an instinctive suspicion of mystery-related plots. This is a good writing team so I have hopes they'll carry this rather bizare setup into a satisfying resolution that actually makes sense, but I'm much more nervous than I usually am.

    To play it all out: why the heck is Nick Locarno flying around in a little ship capable of disabling the systems on larger warships, transporting(?) the ships and crews to some planet while leaving wreckage behind? If this turns out to be another figurative Kelpian dilithium tantrum I'm not going to be pleased.

    I like what they were trying to do with Mariner in this episode, but for whatever reason it didn't land quite right with me. Her whole pivot into even-more-than-normal overtly reckless behavior three episodes after the supposed precipitating event felt very abrupt, and the scene where she talks it over and appears to resolve her issues with Ma'ah felt rushed, almost forced. The Sito Jaxa makes reasonable sense as a backstory component, but I found it distracting and it does add to the "small universe" syndrome that expanding IPs risk falling into. Further, the "your dead friend wouldn't want you to have emotional problems" bit is a cliche that rarely lands with me, and this time was no different: these aren't problems that people can typically resolve simply by recognizing that their emotional reactions are irrational, so being won over with a rational argument isn't very convincing. It speaks well of Mariner and Rodenberry's future humans that this worked, I guess, but it does make it less relatable.

    Maybe I'll be sold more easily on rewatch. We'll see.

    The B-plot with Freeman and her deception was decent, although as noted elsewhere Rutherford's presence feels oddly tacked on. I guess they wanted an engineer around, just in case?

    The Jaxa connection does give us a better shot at nailing down Mariner's actual age, which was presumably somewhere between 17 and 22 (and likely on the later end of that range) at the time of the Nova Squadron incident in 2368. That puts her in her early- to mid-thirties, and lines up well with her service record. We can also confirm that Mariner was not a young child aboard the Enterprise-D, which launched when she was in her mid to late teens.

  • /r/AskReddit Comments Per Day, Graphed

    Just in case anyone here was wondering how Reddit's numbers are looking these days...

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    Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x07 "A Few Badgeys More"

    This is the Daystrom Institute Episode Analysis thread for Lower Decks 4x07 A Few Badgeys More.

    Now that we’ve had a few days to digest the content of the latest episode, this thread is a place to dig a little deeper.

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    Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x07 "A Few Badgeys More"
  • We saw a CGI model for the first time in the Ferengi episode

    Can you explain what you mean by this? Isn't everything we see in Lower Decks technically CGI?

  • Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x06 "Parth Ferengi's Heart Place"

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    xG Map for Manchester United vs Brentford

    Well this one hurt. Absolutely brutal for United to score on two of their three mediocre chances in stoppage time, after 90+ minutes of getting only lousy shooting opportunities.

    Strakosha was quite poor, highlighted by his third terrible rebound leading directly to the equalizer, but the attack was also frustratingly ineffectual. There were far too many counterattacking opportunities which fizzed out before a decent shot could be made of them, and the team took an unusual number of bad shots from range.

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    Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x06 "Parth Ferengi's Heart Place"
  • Expanding on this, I've convinced myself that the whole couples dinner thing exists primarily to entertain the other diners. The way it's set up an an obnoxious and increasingly grotesque public spectacle which I suspect the vast majority of couples would find highly uncomfortable supports this, as does the remarkable timing of the (presumed fake) removal of the fraudulent couple and Tendi/Rutherford being allowed to leave on a flimsy pretense after putting on a pretty good show of their own.

  • Could we get these "goals and highlights" posts moved to a megathread?

    It's hard to get decent discussions going when everything is drowned out in a deluge of game highlight posts every time there are top level games happening. This stuff is relevant, but to have each game represented by a top level post is not helpful.

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    Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x05 “Empathalogical Fallacies”

    This is the Daystrom Institute Episode Analysis thread for Lower Decks 4x05 Empathalogical Fallacies.

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    xG Map for Nottingham Forest vs Brentford

    Brentford beat the crap out of Forest and completely deserved to win. They got horrendously unlucky to come away with just a draw.

    Story of the season.

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    Schade requires surgery after suffering adductor injury
    www.brentfordfc.com Schade requires surgery after suffering adductor injury

    Kevin Schade is set for an extended spell on the sidelines with an adductor injury; the Germany international went down during the warm-up before Brentford’s Premier League game against Everton and was withdrawn from the matchday squad; head coach Thomas Frank confirms that Schade will undergo surge...

    Schade requires surgery after suffering adductor injury

    And another one bites the dust. Already an extremely frustrating season, with excellent performance marred by poor results and a slew of serious injuries concentrated on an already shallow set of attacking options.

    Frank:

    > I still think I can put a very strong team out there every game, but maybe we can’t change it as much during the game because the depth is not as good. I have big belief in our young players, but they need time to settle in

    This was noticeable already last weekend, with only four substitutes used for lack of a fifth useful first team player on the bench (Zanka, the only remaining real option, is hardly an appropriate attacking sub). That was of course exacerbated by Maupay being on loan from Everton and Frank should have five viable substitutes going forward if Olakigbe continues to impress, but Brentford are already right on the brink of what their current squad depth can stand up to.

    Regarding Schade specifically, I'm really disappointed that we won't be seeing more of him for a while, and that he won't have that time to continue his development. Obviously the physical tools are there and I have no serious concerns about his finishing, but he has struggled with positioning and decision making and missing several months won't improve matters.

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    Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x04 "Something Borrowed, Something Green”

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    Rico Henry suffers suspected anterior cruciate ligament injury
    theathletic.com Brentford defender Henry suffers suspected ACL injury

    Rico Henry has suffered a suspected anterior cruciate ligament injury and is now set for a “prolonged period of recovery”. Henry went down awkwardly in the 39th minute of Brentford’s 1-0 defeat to Newcastle United on Saturday following a collision with Kieran Trippier. Henry was clutchin...

    Brentford defender Henry suffers suspected ACL injury

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    Obviously it looked pretty bad when Henry came off on Saturday, and although nothing is confirmed yet this his highly discouraging.

    Outside of Henry and Aaron Hickey, this Brentford team has no natural left backs and fairly minimal depth at right back, with Roerslev and Ajer the obvious choices. Both are defensively oriented players, although they've had occasional moments in attack (Ajer's gallop forward against Fulham this year comes readily to mind). This team has also made a wide range of unothodox choices at that position when chasing games, with Janelt, Mbeumo, Mee, Ghoddos, Wissa, and last week, Pinnock all occupying those spaces in the last two seasons.

    Henry's statistical profile is an odd one, mostly because he barely ever touches the ball and thus doesn't rack up elite totals of just about anything. When he does get involved, though, his involvements tend to be relatively impactful, and he certainly looks good making overlapping runs, delivering crosses, and slowing down opposing attackers in 1v1 situations. Henry's near-constant presence on the field is also notable: he missed exactly one game last season (matchweek 20 against Bournemouth, with Janelt and Ajer the starting fullbacks in a 4-3-3) and was substituted in just eight league games, only once before the 71st minute and only thrice more before the 86th. That mix of attack, defense, and stamina will not be easily replaced by any one player on this Brentford squad.

    Jay Harris speculates in the article that Brentford might shift into a back three full time to offer additional defensive cover and allow a more attack minded player to take a wingback spot. That's a reasonable option, but compounds the existing problems with this roster: there are only four true attackers (Mbeumo, Wissa, Shade, and KLP), of whom Mbeumo is both the clear first choice up top and the most experienced wingback option. Two of the best fits to play a 10 role in a 3-5-2 (Dasilva and Baptiste) are also out with long term injuries. Perhaps Damsgaard can step up to fill one of those roles more reliably than he's shown thus far?

    I'll be interested to see how Frank opts to fill the void here, but it's very unfortunate that he'll have to.

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    Episode Analysis | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 4x03 "In the Cradle of Vexilon”

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