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You should've used this image:

Yeah, russophobia is when out of 80+ comments no one mentions that author may have implied some bad connotations for Soviet Union. To decrease the amount of anticommunism under this fascist post, everyone repeat after me:

Through days dark and stormy, where great Lenin led us... and I forgot the lyrics.

Well, considering I'm a human myself, and it's not like humans were better at some point in time... I'll pass

Can exploited proletarians choose to start revolution and stop being exploited, or not? If yes, they have freedom of choice and being exploited is their choice, If not, then proletarian revolution is impossible.

Where?

In some interview or article, I believe.

They stated that as their goal. The Nazis stated a Reich enuring 1000 years as their goal. Did those succeed?

So unless someone achieves communism, they're not a communist? Btw, since 3rd Reich didn't follow all nazi tenants and didn't achieve all nazi goals, maybe they weren't nazis?

Name one socialist that came after Marx that doesn’t agree with him in some manner or the other

Hitler

Sorry, but you've set up this perfect punchline yourself.

Please, enlighten me

Oh, so you don't know what my views are, but have already concluded they're absurd. Well, jokes on you, I'm an anarcho communist (no)

1. Left wingers are pro censorship.
2. Wtf is exclusion?
3. He wrote book about nazism, not fascism. But nazism is left wing as well. And since he wrote book about leftist ideology, it makes him leftist as well.

Tell me you just did a quick google without telling me

Tell me you did a quick Google without telling me

And the CNT/FAI?

Dunno wtf this is, but I bet another bunch of bourgeoisie

You said yourself that you think nazis are left-wing.

You said my worldview is internally inconsistent. Nazis being left wing contradicts some of my other beliefs? Or is it that my worldview contradicts your cringe communist worldview? Well, fuck your worldview then. You're wrong and I'm right.

The thing about class war is that one class takes the freedom to chose away from the other class.

Oh really? But that would mean that proletarian revolution is impossible since proletarians can't choose to conduct it, bc they have no freedom to choose. I wonder what Marx thinks about that.

Ah, yes. And Hitler clearly stated that he was a socialist… somewhere

I didn't say it. Although he did.

You have to read between the lines of “Mein Kampf”, where he clearly states that he’s right wing.

Where?

Btw are bolsheviks communists? Bc they clearly stated they are. No need to even read between the lines.

And all the companies who profited immensly from all that slave labour

And what's the relation between capitalism and slavery?

Got any proper points, or are you just gonna “umm actually” me to death?

The point is that socialists can be socialists without applying Marx works in any way.

You’re a weirdo who deserves to be ridiculed for having such a stupid worldview

What worldview? What is my worldview?

I disagree. Communism won the propaganda war in 20th century, and now what we consider left and right are all on the left side. US is slightly righter than Europe but still left from center.

They literally said that while people are born into a class, they decide their future and whether to stay in that class. I literally quoted it word for word.

No. They were state-capitalists.

Ok.

You agree that companies made profits. That’s a capitalist policy.

Considering what was before, it was a gradual step towards socialism. Nazi Germany existed for like 30 years. Not everything can be implemented immediately.

All socialists apply Marxist analysis at least partially

Uhuh. Is Charles Fourier socialist?

You’re enough of an ancap

What is that even supposed to mean?

I’m not here to defend bourgeois revolutions

Ah, so you're a communist with the real-communism-was-never-tried flavor. Ok then.

Explain how e.g. Nestor Makhno or the CNT/FAI “exterminated” the bourgeoisie.

What about him? He was bourgeoisie himself, participating in bourgeoisie revolution. He's irrelevant to the question.

Yeah. I figured that you didn’t have an internally consistent worldview.

Where's the inconsistency?

He persecuted socialists

Are bolsheviks socialist? Bc they also persecuted socialists, communists, anarchists, etc, etc.

and had capitalist policies

He literally limited the profitability of companies to 6%.

Any reason to suggest he was fond of Marx?

He's non-marxist socialist. Not all socialist are Marxists. Btw, fascists are Marxists. They're what you call "revisionists".

Go bother someone else in some ancap forum, where you belong.

I'm not an ancap.

The far left would actually rather “expropriate” that certain “social group”.

Oh, but somehow they ended up exterminating that social group instead of expropriating. Given the experience of the 20th century.

To “exterminate a social group” means genocide done by the exterminators

Yep.

But you centrists usually can’t tell the difference between violence and expropriation.

I'm not a centrist. I'm right-wing. I'm so far right, that I consider nazis to be far left.

How comes?

Any reason to suggest he wasn't socialist?

Yeah. Are you suggesting that I should be instinctively repulsed by the nature of humans?