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Why do people still eat beef when we know it's terrible for Earth?
  • Yes, I agree it seems scary, but all it really means is that morality is not universal but specific to humans. You could say everything is inherently morally permissible in the sense that there is no higher power which will punish you for your actions, so essentially there is nothing preventing you from committing them. In short, the universe doesn't give a shit what you do.

    Still, your actions do have consequences, and you are inevitably forced to live with them (pretty much Sartre's viewpoint). Because of this, doing things you think are wrong is often bad for you, because it causes you emotional pain in the form of guilt and regret, and also usually carries along negative social repercussions which outweigh the value of the immoral act in the first place. You could say that people are naturally compelled to act in certain ways out of completely selfish reasons. In this sense, I prefer to look at morality more as a "deal" between the members of a society to act in a certain mutually beneficial way (which is fueled by our instincts, a product of evolution), than something universal and objective.

    The reason I doubt in our current understanding of consciousness is because I find its distinction between what is conscious and what isn't quite arbitrary and problematic. At which point does an embryo become conscious, and how can something conscious be created from something unconscious? The simplest explanation I can imagine is that consciousness is present everywhere and cannot be created nor destroyed. This view (called panpsychism) is absolutely ancient, but seems to be gaining some recognition again, even among neuroscientists.

    As you mentioned, "cogito, ergo sum" might be the only real objective truth that philosophy has uncovered so far. I am an optimist in that I believe surely more than one such truth must exist. If it was only discovered 400 years ago, surely there is more to be found. Maybe it is possible to collect some of these small fragments and build some larger philosophical theory from them, one that will be grounded in fact and built up using logic. I guess only time will tell.

    And yes, of course some abstraction is beneficial in order to make sense of the world, even if it isn't completely correct or objective.

  • Why do people still eat beef when we know it's terrible for Earth?
  • The issue I see with these theories is that this idea of inherent value they all arrive at is very abstract in a way. What does it even mean for something to have inherent value, and why is it wrong to destroy it?

    Another problem is that we talk about destroying life without even fully understanding it in the first place. What if life (in the sense of consciousness) is indestructible?

    The way I see it, people accept that life has some inherent value because our self preservation instinct tells us that we don't want to die and empathy allows us to extend that instinct to other living beings. Both are easily explained as products of evolution, not rational or objective, but simply evolutionarily favourable. All these theories are attempts to rationally explain this feeling, but they all inevitably fail, as they're (in my opinion) trying to prove something that simply isn't objectively true.

    Anyways, I feel like even if you accepted any individual theory that seems to confirm our current understanding of morality and stuck with it fully, you would come to conclusions which are completely conflicting with it. For example in the case of utilitarianism, you could easily come to the conclusion that not donating most of your money to charity is immoral, as that would be the course of action which would result in the largest total amount of pleasure.

  • Gorguts - Obscura (1998)

    Looks like a huge pig's head at first, but really it's just a photo of a man with a beard meditating, reflects the music perfectly imo.

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    Why do people still eat beef when we know it's terrible for Earth?
  • Why is killing people wrong, but ok in war? Why do we still kill animals even though we know it's wrong? Why is killing wrong in the first place? I bet you can't find a single rational reason. That is because ethics isn't based on reason, but instead on emotion. Given that, I don't find it very surprising that it's often very hypocritical.

  • Slovenia Pushes on With Pricey Nuclear Project to Phase Out Coal
  • Why do you think renewables are better for the environment? Nuclear is very clean and produces next to no emissions. In comparison, solar panels have a production process which produces considerable emissions, once they fail (which is in around 25 - 30 yrs), they basically turn into toxic waste. Similar goes for wind turbines, but they also totally ruin the landscape, since roads have to be built in order to access and maintain them. Additionally they're not viable everywhere and look ugly af.

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  • That's how it's done in chinese. Imo DD/MM/YYYY is better though, since in practice the year is most commonly just the current year and isn't nearly as important as the day or month.

  • What are some notable dreams you've had?
  • This post reminded me of a dream I had today.

    I was hiking up a hill through a forest and saw a snake by the side of the path. I stopped to look at it. It was completely black with a strange white dotted pattern on its back, unlike any snake where I live. Then I heard something moving a little uphill, I turned to look, and it was another snake, and next to it another. I looked around and the ground was writhing with snakes. I started running away into the forest, but it was getting darker and darker. Then I heard an ominous whirring sound getting progressively louder. I woke up and it was the washing machine.

  • Maruja - Thunder [Art rock/post punk]
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    Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970)

    Had to include the back of the cover with this one too, since it's just epic

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    What is this plant?
  • Looks a lot like Artemisia sp., possibly Artemisia vulgaris, though the leaves are somewhat wrinklier than usual. Maybe check whether the undersides of the leaves are silvery, since that's typical for mugwort.

  • Exivious - Deeply Woven [Jazz metal]
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    Gorguts - Rapturous grief [Dissonant death metal]

    Obscura totally blew my mind when I first heard it. It's definitely not for everyone, but it's unlike any other album I've heard.

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    September - Potop [Yugoslav prog / jazz rock]

    An interesting album I discovered today, reminds me a lot of Canterbury scene.

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    Ne obliviscaris - Suspyre [Progressive metal]

    From their recent release Exul, really like how the clean vocals and violin cut through. Might be my favorite album of this year so far!

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    Hella - Biblical Violence [Math rock]
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