German-Israeli Shani Louk is confirmed dead, 3 weeks after Hamas captured her and paraded her through Gaza

We have all seen the video of her broken body being paraded through Gaza and the people spitting on her. Hamas did that and they brought death and destruction to Gaza.
- Hamas AND Israel both brought death and destruction to Gaza. Palestinian children are not bombing themselves now.
  
  Shut the fuck up. Israel did not kill this girl. Hamas did. Two way street if you're going to pretend you care about Palestinian victims.
- I have not seen that thankfully
  
  I don't understand why someone would want to see that.
- so the past 50 years of the gaza strip being bombed by israel have not brought death and desctruction to gaza? that's ignoring the constant blockades and other restrictions israel put on gaza as well.
  
  lets not forget the blockade by egypt too, even jordan at one point wanted to kick out and backtrack citizenship for all descendants of palestinian refugees
  
  You really don't want to go back 50 years and review both sides. Your arguments get weaker the more you actually look past the year 2010.
  
  "It is kind of more complicated than that" when it is really not!
  let me just start with this postulate:
  palestinians: natives
  israelis: colons
  Should I add than one is heavily militarized and has control over infrastructures?
- Have you seen videos of Israelis cheering every time they hear bombs exploding in Gaza?
  https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzAkNnCOCYB/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
  
  I mean after what happened it's going to turn a lot of people dark. No different than in the states after 9/11. I legit know people that signed up just to "kill some sand you know what's to get pay back". That's fucked up yes. And wrong. But hardly unexpected just like I expect citizens of Gaza to enmase celebrate the death of Jews now.
  
  well I guess that makes killing this citizen ok then

Fuck Hamas. They are a blight on the Palestinian cause.
Edit: Typo
- blight?
  
  Yes

Hot take: this is only news because she's pretty. Where's the heart-breaking stories of the other thousands that have died? Were they too ugly to give a shit about?
- This is news because she was one of the first videos that went viral that day. And to this day there are still people denying it that she died and that she is home safe. There was even a so called interview with her mother who said she was alive. They even went so far to say the truck video was them bringing her to a hospital (ya know because you beat half naked in her underwear body with your sandals to administer first aid).
  The Internet used "her being alive" as one of the first propaganda pieces to try to paint the photo that nothing happened Oct 7 and Israel are all liars.
  Turns out it's exactly as the videos made it look. Just like the woman being led into a jeep with dark drried blood all over the ass of her pants was probably bleeding from mass rape even though the Internet tried to find every excuse for their behaviors.
  
  the terrorism deniers/excusers are pretty disgusting on the internet
  
  I think the mother was just in denial
  
  The way I remember it is her mom said that Hamas claimed she was still alive. Not surprised it was a lie. Her mother must be even more devastated now after having that little bit of hope.
  
  bleeding from mass rape
  Prove this.
- I think it's news because her body was taken around on a truck while people spat on her.
- She was one of the women raped to death and then paraded through the streets. That and she was a foreigner.
  
  I'm not familiar with the story. Are you saying that she was paraded after her death?
  Edit: Nevermind. I saw the video just now. I'm at a loss for words to describe people who do this to innocent civilians.
- I think it's rather because Hammas produced the video with her being pressed into back of their truck in unnatural position half naked and paraded trough the Gaza streets while tens or maybe hundreds people were celebrating her humiliation . But i might be wrong. 🤷‍♂️
- A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic-
  Everyone's favorite statistician
- Here's one right here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67266873
  Post it, upvote it, give it it's own thread. Both tales are appalling.
- Well the important thing is you get to be superior to everyone else.
  
  Hot take: making an astute observation for the purposes of having a conversation about media literacy isn't being narcissistic.
- Sad ! Thats the world we live in
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  Nope it ain't, and it's mostly sensors and cams. Guards weren't missing, it was religious holiday and most of the IDF came back home. A lot of paragliding recreations occur often and Hamas used this opportunity to their advantage. I know these things because I know few people who work in the IDF. I'm not jewish but I live in Israel for my job. The wall is mostly fence, and only in important places it's a wall.
  I assume you know that more than half a million Palestinians cross that border every day.. it's not that strict. Although from now on it might be
  
  Israel ignored the warnings from Egypt
  
  The "wall" is a chain link fence, Hamas just cut it down where they wanted to sally out through
  
  i assume a lot of it is high tech and sensor based, that can all fail with hacking or bad interpretation of the data. Also, the infiltrators likely first flew over the fence and possibly disabled parts of it once they were inside to allow others to come in the conventional way.

I'm very saddened to hear about the death of this young woman. I'm also sad to hear about deaths of many, many Palestinians. I do not think it's coincidence that Hamas decides to launch a major offensive in the midst of talks with between Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize relations between the two after many years of relative peace. We can't have peace in the Middle East because it doesn't serve the ends to the major regional powers.
Both sides in this conflict are used as pawns for the political ends of others. Innocent people are those that get caught in the midst of it all. Hamas didn't do this without a green light so as much vitriol being spilled in this thread we have to take a step back. These fights have been brewing and going on for generations. If you take the short term view much of the strife we see today is the fallout from WWII and that is used as leverage by other nefarious parties.
It's not the Israeli people's fault they do not have a home. It's not the Palestinian people's fault they do not have a home.
Some of the comments in this thread are sickening, hateful, narrow, and short-sighted.
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Tragic. Her poor mother stuck not knowing for 3 weeks... my heart goes out to them.
- Tragic. Her poor mother stuck not knowing for 3 weeks… my heart goes out to them.
  Yes, more tragic than this mother wearing her baby in her arms smashed by a - supposed - legal entity.
  A civilian life is a civilian life but here, it is not me who breaks the balance! Disgusting!
  
  more tragic than this mother wearing her baby in her arms smashed by a - supposed - legal entity.
  can you point to the specific sentence where they even implied this, or are you actually just throwing a tantrum because someone said 'man getting your daughter tortured and murdered must suck'
  
  Take a breath. This is a human life that ended. Have respect and don't diminish the loss. One day you will die too, and you would want people to treat your passing with respect and honor, not a talking point.
  There are thousands of other threads you can hash out the unfairness of apartheid, and the realities of struggle, this isn't the right place for that.

Fucking monsters. Here's footage of her just before the attack, having fun at an EDM concert.
- Is it because of mobile or ubo but I didn't see the video? Pretty sure the start showed her dead tits in the back of a vehicle though? That was weird.
  NSFW NSFL Dead screenshot from NY Post video
- Downvotes bc you're antisemitic monsters using Muslims as an excuse to hate Jews. You don't care about any humans if you're downvoting. You're going to burn in hell while you whine "but what about muh IDF"
- So nice that she was able to travel from Germany to party in Israel.
  I wonder what the travel logs for Gazans are like, and why that is.
  
  Not that any death is worth more or less than another, but it is surreal to know that the people killed at the music festival were privileged young people completely removed from the conflict, and most of the people killed in Gaza are poverty stricken children and starving adults.
  War is ugly and unfair.
  
  Wow...just...wow...
  
  Yeah clearly anyone who can afford a vacation deserves to be kidnapped raped brutalized and paraded through the streets before being left to die as a hostage over 3 weeks.
  
  Congratulations, you win the worst take of the day.
  
  It's so hard to fight for the Palestinian people when soulless monsters like you show up to represent the cause. It's becoming harder and harder to figure out who is anti-apartheid, and who wants another Holocaust.
  
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  If you think what happened to this girl was justified, not only are you broken, but you are no different than the people who support the genocide of Palestinians.
  
  I wonder what they're like in your country. Or in most European countries complaining about Muslim refugees every day. Shut the fuck up bitch.
  
  Could it be because of never-ending attacks against civilians because they lost multiple wars yet refuse to negotiate for a viable peace?
  Nah, must be because the Jews are mean. 🙄

You look over there, and then you look at the comments in here. It's makes you wonder if the human race will ever live in peace. Shame on us all.
- ignorance is like a chaotic river you're trying to paddle through without a paddle. Anger is a sin. It takes wisdom and discipline to not let your emotions rule you.

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It's heartbreaking to think that I'd feel relieved in someway that she isn't suffering from all the rape and violence anymore...
- Well, some of the released hostages report that while the experience is traumatizing, they were treated relatively well once held hostage. Of course, the released hostages were a) mostly elderly citizen and b) the ones Hamas chose to release, so there might be a selection bias. But the treatment of surviving hostages might not be as bad as initially feared. Let's hope they make it out soon and safely.
  
  That old woman was beaten and robbed and kidnapped. She called the experience hell. You have a funny definition of treating her well.
  Iirc, those people who were released worked on Palestinian causes.
- Nah. It's just a normal reddit comment.
- Why downvoted? As a parent, this is accurate. Snowflake overeducated cunts don't want to hear it bc it doesn't fit their anger narrative. Sheeeit, maybe they'll need to be self aware and realize they're celebrating innocents being murdered. Fake woke shitheads.
- You watched too many movies
  
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Oh man she was just innocently partying in a genocidal ethno state right next to worlds biggest open air prison. So sad.
- Which isn't a reason to be paraded half naked nor killed for the sins of the power hungry leader of both states. There is no excuse good enough to indiscriminately kill civilians.
  
  She was paraded in the outfit she was partying in. They didn't need to strip her she did that herself.
  Also when people have a rave party on Crimea are they just innocent civilians that should be completely harmless from Ukranian attacks? Unless Israel forced her to be partying on Palestinian land why was she there?

20% downvotes. This site just hates Jews. Not Israel.
- I also find it troubling how many people on the fediverse are apologists for Hamas.
  
  I’m not a Hamas apologist, but I have noticed that there are just as many IDF apologists.
  
  I got downvoted and shit on just for saying the videos from 10/7 showed really fucked up shit, including Shani. Some of the crowd on lemmy is pretty fuckin gross tbh, the Fediverse isn't going to pick up with the tankies taking over over every controversial political topic.
  
  Report them and have them removed then. I'm sure the mods would be more than happy to remove anyone who does that...
- The line between pro-Palestinian and anti-Semitic is dangerously thin in places.
  
  Especially in the minds of people who want to revel in their righteousness.
- 100% upvotes on Kbin.
  This whole topic sucks. It's like you can only have one extreme side to take instead of acknowledging fault on both sides. Meanwhile Tankies and Nazis continue to point fingers at each other, defending whichever team suits their current political agenda the most.
  Hamas are terrorists that did an atrocity, Israel also is responsible for things escalating to this point, they still have a right to defend themselves, but the way they're doing it is also far from appropriate. If people cannot start to acknowledge everyone's wrongdoings, then I don't see how this area can ever reach stability. Even most politicians / countries seem to be too scared to do anything, to take a proper stance. Meanwhile there's more and more civilians dying over there.
  Fucking bullshit. All of it.
- Lmfao the egg on your face is huuuge
  How is despising Zionisim as a useless, hateful ideology hate for Jews? There's plenty of anti-Zionist Jews.

Did they find the body to confirm the beheading. or is this the same story as the 40 beheaded babies propagandized by mass media.
Why the mess if one bullet could do a cleaner job. I don't think they have a fetish for beheading despite all other cruelties they can be capable of.
Edit: for those who are asking why I am talking about beheading rumors because NBC Titled its video with "Beheading" and refer to Israel's President saying: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ICR5ml2YPkI
- Who said she was beheaded? All it says in the article is she had a severe head injury and if you watched the video of her being paraded, you can clearly see she has a head injury most likely being shot in the head.
  
  Western Media as in the title of this video by NBC : https://youtube.com/watch?v=ICR5ml2YPkI
- The article explains the details. Just like you said. Shot in the head.
  
  According to the title of this NBC video it says "Beheaded" , https://youtube.com/watch?v=ICR5ml2YPkI
  So we don't know Who to believe

So nice that she was able to travel from Germany to party in Israel.
I wonder what the travel logs for Gazans are like, and why that is.

You are all ridiculous with your dirty propaganda. "paraded, raped..." too big, like the story about beheaded babies. So, Hamas would have the time and leisure to do that under intense fucking bombing and fighting. What a joke! Israelis confirming every single jewish clichés that we heard on history channel about Nazi's vision on them!
Between, Yocheved Lifshitz, elderly recently freed has another story.

Has it been confirmed by mainstream news that she had dual citizenship? I've read but not verified that she was, and the I see the news is now acknowledging her as German-Israeli as opposed to just the German I saw in early reports.
- Hmm, that would certainly change ~~things~~ nothing
  
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thankfully we won’t have to worry about retaliation, I’m sure Israel is very reasonable
- Hamas earned this.
  
  If you're going to equate the dead children in Gaza with Hamas, you might as well say this lady "earned" it on account of the policies of the Israeli far right.
  There's no such thing as "earning" the mass murder of civilians.
  
  Hamas earned this, not the rest of the innocent Palestinians who never had a choice on who represented them. The innocent Israeli citizens didn't earn this either.
  
  Nuke both of them.
  Can't commit terror and war crimes if there's no one left or a "holy land" to squabble over. /s

So are 3000 Palestinian children.
- This may come as a surprise to some whataboutists, but it turns out that multiple things can all be senseless tragedies at the same time.
  
  Yeah, but one's 3000 times worse.
- They're all fucking innocent, you monsters.
  
  True, but the 3000 Palestinian children don't get a whole series of articles for each individual one. They're just a number, and apparently a meaningless one, given the ferocity of attacks by the Israeli government that has no limit when it comes to "retaliation".
- But that article is particularly about her.
- And there are over 3000 articles about that. What about these civilians? You don't care about people, you just want to yell about the Jews.
- Same children whose shoulders Hamas used to prop up their guns while firing as Israeli soldiers?
  
  No, the ones bombed by the IDF.

Critical reading is the only skill we need to teach in school. We are clearly failing. This is getting ridiculous.
The IDF confirmed Shani's death. The IDF has been caught lying already.
Shani's mother who as I understand it has not actually seen the evidence told a news station "a piece of her skull was found"
Remember Shani's mother said just a few weeks ago "Shani is alive"
This is far from actually confirmed.
- Good thing Hamas never lies or we would have no idea who to trust.
  Like when “500 people” died in that hospital parking lot from that IDF bomb that totally didn't look like a failed Hamas rocket explosion. /s
  
  The "500 people killed" thing isn't actually due to Hamas but Al Jazeera: Directly after the explosion, before the dust had settled, a Health Ministry spokesperson spoke about "500 casualties". In the context of "there are killed and wounded". And as it was so early, and it's a round number, obviously an estimate, and not an official number. Al Jazeera turned that into 500 killed in its English edition, and the whole fucking western media ran with it.
  Now I dislike Hamas like I dislike any fascists but the Health Ministry is not just Hamas, plenty of Fatah and generally people from the PA in there, and their numbers have generally been pretty accurate (even if they don't distinguish between civilians and combatants, they simply count the dead). Possibly not as accurate in this case though as once Al Jazeera put that number out there it's probably hard to correct them down while Hamas' propaganda finger of the military arm is holding an AK to your head.
  
  Actually we aren't sure about the rocket origin yet. Investigations are still ongoing, and some recent evidence, including more geolocated video that allowed to do a trajectory analysis through triangulation, and which tend to suggest it was launched from the Israel side. Hypothesis being it may have been a defective iron dome missile that went rogue and unfortunately dislocated and which explosive payload fell on the hospital parking.
  Still, before accusing either side it would be best to wait for more proofs. Either way it is going to be considered as a major war crime, and no matter if it was intentional or not, someone has to pay for it.

1 vs 3000 kids
- Well more than 1… but also form and motive are important here.
  The “1” was an innocent woman who was raped, tortured, and murdered slowly and publicly to spread terror because she was at a music festival.
  The “3000” are civilian casualties of war because said terrorists are hiding behind them as a combat strategy.
  Both are horrible, but you are making a false equivalency.
  
  Who is his right mind goes to a festival when your country is "at war" though
- Multiple things can be bad simultaneously you equivocating shitbag.
  
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