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cm0002 @lemmy.world

6mo ago

Probably the easiest boycott you could do, let's do it Lemmy!

I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.

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As long as it's not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won't lead to good outcomes anywhere.
- Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn't allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.
  I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did
  
  I'm glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. "Pure free speech and anarchy!" If you say exactly what we want you to, also don't accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
  
  "Free speech!"
  Ok tankie.
  "Not like that!"
  
  Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders' World Press Freedom index. I'm not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn't seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like "tankie" (a word with parallels to terms like "pinko" and "judeo Bolshevik").
  
  Even the US has protected classes even if the list is woefully short.
  I doubt tankies are a protected class in nordic states since they are like nazis and other groups that fetishize violent oppression. Tankie doesn't parallel with pinko becsuse one is about violent oppression and the other is about the left side of the political spectrum.
  
  In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.
  
  Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.
  What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?
  
  Thank you, that's true but doesn't catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn't need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.
  I've been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.
  
  Or more subtly:
  I can't even say life's a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that's not my intent and I don't think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?
  It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn't pay any regard to a comment's set language so even If I set my comment to French "retard" will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.
  
  Je suis en retard
  Becomes
  Je suis en removed
  Edit: actually, let's see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:
  
  Edit2: lmao
  
  I've tried to talk about fire retardants there once... It gets cut too.
  
  Je suis en retard
  
  oh no I'm not allowed to use a slur even though I'm using it in a common phrase that originates as the slur being used as a slur
  I'm supposed to get away with doing things
  
  Did you only read half of my comment?
  What about the French example?
  
  You said two stupid things but only one of them was fun to make a joke out of.
  Your french shit is equally stupid. "But it's not a slur in a language we aren't speaking right now so I should get to say it!!!"
  How about you just stop having a piss fit you spoiled little fuck? Not once in your 'analysis' are you bothering to do the literally only valuable piece of thought work: actually measuring the cost/benefit of having a strong deterrence to bigotry vs "I can think of a word that has a slur as part of it but can still be easily understood by people reading it through context clues"
  When a piece of shit only weighs the cost of doing things to protect vulnerable minorities and not the benefit to those people, it's pretty fucking easy to suss out their beliefs on the issue in general.
  
  I think maybe you need to take some deep breaths.
  
  I'm not upset even though this entire conversation is about me having a fit about not being allowed to say slurs
  You are upset because you're making fun of me for it and explaining why it's bad
  I am a nazi from 4chan
  
  ...what?
  You realize it's a normal word in French right?
  
  I appreciate the audacity with which you're trying to turn wanting to say slurs into an emancipatory left wing position
  Isn't there a video game studio that needs death threats sent to them that you're neglecting though?
  
  Dudes takes are so bad even he doesn't want to upvote them lol:
  
  You realize my point was when speaking French I should be able to use it as it's a different word that's just spelled the same as the English slur.
  That was the whole point in making my test comment it's own reply.
  
  Imagine being such a piece of shit "not saying slurs" triggers you to the point of taking screenshots to argue it's a bad take
  truly living up to the 'gamer man' username.
  The only people who have a problem with .ml are objectively garbage people. What a thread.
  
  heated gamer moment
  
  You're acting rude.
  
  They're not anarchists tho. Don't associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
  
  Of course, because there is no true anarchist.
  
  What do the call a fallacy where you find an imaginary fallacy in someone else's argument to sound smarter?
  
  A (false) fallacy fallacy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
  
  Is it a fallacy? I frequently run into self-styled anarchists who describe other self-styled anarchists as "not real anarchists".
  
  .ml people don't even describe themselves as anarchists, from what I've seen. And those that do, often hide behind that label in bad faith
  
  not like someone describing themselves as an anarchist while flying a ukraine flag lol
  
  Ah, here are the aforementioned .ml people. I wonder, do you specifically search out mentions of you in other instances to engage in conversations with people who don't like you?
  
  This post has 200 comments in 12 hours. How do you think I found it, genius?
  
  I think they generally try to keep themselves in their echo chambers, but as they're federated, can't sometimes help themselves and have to input some would-be-snarky comment they think is ever-so-clever. Then they get ratio'd hard, they get their bot-armies to vote on when they're off instance (if you look you'll see quite a lot of the time there might be a lot of downvotes for opinions against them, but always at most one or two more than how many upvotes it has. it means for mobile users the comment looks less reactive than it is).
  Then their egos get hurt because we bitch slap reality in their faces and they go crying back to whatever grad they crawled out from.
  
  Nation-states and anarchism don't technically clash insofar that you could have a nation that's ruled by anarchy.
  Just like you Russians are ruled by autocracy. (That's a pro-Russian account.)
  
  Baby brain never cracked a book in his life but everyone stop what you're doing he's going to explain ideologies to you but not before he outs a secret jew for speaking out against the fatherland
  
  But they don't even pretend to be anarchists, they're Marxist-Leninists, hence the ml
  
  If "they dont even pretend to be anarchists", then why would the comment
  They're not anarchists tho. Don't associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
  be necessary in the first place?
  
  If you look at the comment above that one, you might be able to figure it out
  
  The comment above demonstrates that non-ml members perceive ml members as claiming anarchy among their values. If that impression exists, there must be a reason for it - which is that ml members do in fact claim to be anarchists.
  Therefore, in the context of this thread, it is valid to point out the existence of self-styled anarchists claiming that other self-styled anarchists are "not real anarchists". The existence of this thread demonstrates the truth of the statement, regardless of whether you personally like the conclusion or not.
  
  The comment above demonstrates that non-ml members perceive ml members as claiming anarchy among their values. If that impression exists, there must be a reason for it - which is that ml members do in fact claim to be anarchists.
  Please don't try to make a logical argument when you can't get this right. The comment above only demonstrates that at least one non-.ml user perceives .ml users as being self-proclaimed anarchists. There must be a reason for that, and that reason does not have to be that .ml users are self-proclaimed anarchists. It could be that this commenter is simply misinterpreting the views of .ml users.
  You didn't even get the fallacy right. Rockerface didn't modify their statement at all. All they said was that the users of .ml instances aren't anarchists. You never provided any examples of anarchist .ml users, and they never modified their initial claim to protect it from a falsifying example.
  
  I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that "free speech that doesn't threaten the government is tolerated everywhere," in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn't like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four's Ingsoc party. It's technically true, that free speech that doesn't threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It's just that the government considers any dissent threatening.
  
  My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was "Rice."
  They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.
  
  You didn’t choose a random word. It’s obvious why you chose that specific word in reference to gaming hardware. And we know the racist roots of the term.
  
  don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
  What were the normal words that people found so offensive?
- Yeah, we'd hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.
  The hate for .world simply because of size doesn't make sense to me. It's fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
  If you're constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you'll end up killing Lemmy.
  
  There's more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I've heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.
  The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.
  The one mentioned more often is how they're one of the main ones to federate with Meta's Threads. Integration isn't really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:
  
  source
  
  I can respect the Threads thing. That's a valid reason other than "we need to be even smaller".
  
  It's not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.
  
  we need to be even smaller
  That's not the argument, please don't trust it needlessly like that
  The point is that having everything be on one instance results in the centralized abuse of power we saw with reddit
  Per example: .world has some famously bad power mods (a certain soaring mollusk comes to mind) same as reddit, growing communities outside of that centralized area gives us a place to run when they finally snap completely, as is inevitable with power mods
  This is very easy to do thanks to how Lemmy works
  
  That mod has one political community. That's it. "They" appears to be one mod of one community that you have an issue with.
  
  I don't think most of the data in the network should be hosted by a single legal entity, that's just unhealthy even if the protocol is open. It's also my main complaint about bluesky- technically open protocol, de facto centralization.
  
  You can see instances that haven't been defederated. Why is it important for everyone to be on the same one? Everyone has the ability to get the same feed on All.

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