Oh boy, they're both the same, I can't decide...

I’m 4 of the things on the bottom track.

We need to get Joe Biden elected then make his life hell until he stops funding Israel.

Hell yeah.
Maybe we can get him to stop funding Israel before that, even. But first and foremost, fascism must be stopped, for the same reason that the Western Allies sided with the Soviet Union in WW2. We may despise each other, but there is a worse foe afoot.
We should also pressure our Congressional Representatives.
- My rep called for a permanent ceasefire. Makes me at least somewhat happy I voted for him.
To elect the person most likely not to horribly escalate the guaranteed protest post election is quite a strat.
Who ever said politics were boring? Shits on fire, literally
Well you're half right
- I could’ve worded it better my bad.

Also don't forget the supreme court. 2 of the conservatives justices are getting old and couldnpossibly retire during a trump term to assure a partisan republican court for several decades.

The comments have (no pun intended) gone off the rails. Locking.

Just because you'd pull one of those levers if it comes down to it doesn't mean you shouldn't do what you can to avert things before it comes to that.

I mean, if you've got a plan, I'm all for it. Absolutely, keep protesting against the genocide, boycotting Israeli goods, doing whatever you can. If you've got plans for a mass revolution taking to the streets, by all means.
But, if it comes down to it, election day comes and the current state of affairs is ongoing, you have to know which lever to pull, vile as it is. The greater evil helps no one.

If these are our options, tear up the fucking track.

If you have a viable way of doing so before the election, by all means, share your idea.
Otherwise, pull the lever and return to planning track disposal after election day.
Ok, let us know when you start.
Oh you want us to do it while you sit at home and we get shot? Typical.
- I'm a union and community organizer. I'm already working on this shit. Let me know when you want to come and help.

Good illustration!

Knocking it out of the park with these memes lately PugJesus!

Let’s see the “both sides are the same”/“vote third party” crowd scamper out into the light to get shut the fuck down yet again.

Thanks, but I'm a shameless meme thief. I'm just a meme vector!
- The messaging is what’s important, so keep on vectoring!

Too bad my country is fast pacing towards a ccp like govt. Modi hai to munkin hai.

Holy fucking shit... We've looped back around with the trolley problem memes to end up back at the actual trolley problem.

The entire reason the trolley problem is a "problem" is because it's not necessarily morally correct to insert yourself into a problem in order to save people, if by doing so you also condemn someone. It's debated that it's better to let an unfortunate scenario in which multiple people die play out - allowing yourself to stay out of the picture and not be responsible - than to take action to minimize the damage, and by doing so become part of the picture and partly responsible for the damage that does occur.

It's supposed to be a difficult situation, even if taking action saves lives, because by taking action you are specifically partially responsible as an acting member in the scenario. There are a lot of people who believe that it's better to stay out of it and leave yourself morally untouched for having never taken part in it than to take action, even if the action would save lives. And there are a lot of people who believe that it's better to take action if you can, especially if it saves lives, even if your actions still condemn people to death.

The whole point is that it's NOT a scenario with a correct answer. The best answer is the one that lets you sleep at night. Yes, I'll be voting democrat, but I certainly don't blame those who believe dirtying your hands by voting for a genocide supporter is an unacceptable act.

It’s debated that it’s better to let an unfortunate scenario in which multiple people die play out - allowing yourself to stay out of the picture and not be responsible - than to take action to minimize the damage, and by doing so become part of the picture and partly responsible for the damage that does occur.
"It's debated", yes. Most things are debated. Looking at the trolley problem, I don't really have any respect for anyone who thinks that a strict deontological interpretation is worth murdering four extra people.
Inaction isn't innocence, it's a choice like any other.
- Congratulations, you solved the trolley problem. I'll let all of the philosophers of the world know so you can collect your prize... Inaction isn't innocence, but the "right" answer isn't innocence, either. Don't take solace in the fact that you minimized the damage by condemning a bunch of people you don't know to death by the very person you supported; this election will be my greatest regret in life for not doing something more to force out a 3rd option, as it should be for all of us.

These stupid jokes about centrists really show how fucked up the USA is. Both parties are the same: shit. One is less shit than the other (democrats, to be clear), but they are both still shit. There's a guy running literally called "Literally Anybody Else".

Have you considered that your central position doesnt actually do shit besides bitch and moan?

It should show the rest of the flags above a few meters later on the top track.

You're so close to being cool sometimes
- I'll take it!
- I think DB0 is cool, they just have some bad takes springing from cynicism.
  And fuck, getting up in the morning, I can hardly blame them some days.
  But we have to do what little we can, as individuals in a world of billions, to oppose what we can, how we can.
Exactly right.
Yeah and both sides need the USA flag as well.

Good thing the children in cages, barbed wires and general killing of immingrants in the Mexico border isn't happening anymore now that Biden is president!

Tell me which political party implemented this?
And which political party made it incredibly difficult to dismantle in the House/Senate?

What? This doesn't show how the democrats failed to do anything about Roe

You're absolutely right, if only the Democrats had slipped one of the members of SCOTUS an extra 20$.
- The first thing I'll do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdrOrwmk78Y
  Im pro choice https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzdkAbu8dY
  Not my highest priority https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiDZejZFjg
  parody... No https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1z4uhxpOnN0
  Obama had a filibuster proof senate for three weeks, he could have given you a proper health care WITH a public option, but he did a giveaway to big pharma instead. Also could have done Roe at that time...
  I hope you guys watch Obama speak in the videos. It's mind boggling...
Comments like this make me realize how shitty the education system in America is. Go take an online civics course or read book, just do something to educate yourself about how laws are passed at the federal level.
And what's worse is they'll probably not fix the issue as it is an excellent rallying call.

It's not a trolley problem. It's you making a choice as to whether you accept the Democratic pro-genocide stance or not and whether you're willing to put your stamp of approval on it.

The lesser of two evils argument doesn't work anymore, try something different now, you're just pissing people off by demanding they actively support genocide.

It is a trolley problem. Either the Democrats will be in power after the election, or the Republicans will. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a valid tactic when you live in a two-party system.
- A vote for Biden is what makes future Democratic support for genocide possible. That's what you're putting your seal of approval on; that the democrats can fund a literal genocide and still win elections.
  I won't support or encourage it, and the more you demand and squeal that people must support genocide the more sure I become that I won't.
  Want people to vote for Biden? Pressure him and all your reps to defund Israel. That's your most pragmatic course, what you're doing now is not just a waste of time but counter-productive.
"The lesser of two evils argument doesn't work anymore"
Ah, so you're just going with the greater of the two evils because, apparently, you just can't get enough genocide. Us less privileged Americans will thank you from the concentration camps.
- Enjoy your Soylent Green, at least it's better than bugs.
- No. You are guarunteeing the "greater of two evils" by trying to force people to approve genocide.
  The only thing you should be doing is pressuring your representatives to cut off aid to Israel in whatever way you can. If you want Joe Biden to be president again that's the only way. No one is going to respond to this fear mongering bullshit anymore. That strategy has only slid us closer to fascism, it's time for the Democrats to prove they're different, not for everyone to accept that they're the same.
  Demanding that people support genocide is a non-starter. Try again.
Such hyperbole. Democrats do not support genocide and it's clear you don't know what genocide is.

TBF, the Democrat trolley will run over all those people only slightly less than the Republican one.

Was this made to appeal to the people who are anti-genocide?

If so, it's a massive fail - you are basically admitting that Palestinian genocide is acceptable as long as you remain safe.

And, of course... we already know that. We know what liberals are really all about.

Nobody claimed it was alright, unfortunately the lesser of two evils also includes genocide
Maybe if we can get a better voting system we can finally vote for the people we actually want
- Maybe if we can get a better voting system we can finally vote for the people we actually want
  And what if you can't? Would you still pretend that it's possible to vote fascism away?
"More genocide is good, actually!" is about the take I expected from you.
- “More genocide is good, actually!”
  If you stopped gaslighting people you might actually get more people to vote Biden with you come November... but not insulting the audience's intelligence is a bridge too far for liberalism, I guess.
Arguing against voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy because it increases the probability of more genocide. If your goal is to reduce or eliminate genocide as much as possible, and you are eligible to vote in a swing state during the 2024 US election, voting for Biden should be a part of your overall strategy. Nothing we can do can reasonably be expected to eliminate the possibility genocide. All that matters is what we do, the expected outcome of our actions, and the actual results. If your advocated action has no effect on your stated preferred world state or goal, you're an idiot or a liar.
- Arguing against voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy because it increases the probability of more genocide.
  Participating in US formal politics in any way whatsoever increases the probability of genocide - it always has, because there has never been a point in US history when it wasn't genocidal.
  Your paltry attempt at minimizing this funadamental genocidal tendency is exactly that - paltry.
  Do you have anything else to offer?

Lemmy has just become a massive circle jerk at this point. Keep it up lads, being in an echo chamber is great for your ego

An echo chamber would be to prevent you from posting the comment you just posted, so that we only hear our echo.
Alas here we are with your comment. Ironic how conservative subs specifically have rules to prevent anyone from going against the echo, yet this is the echo chamber. It's called projecting
There are contrasting memes on this very issue all up and down this community.